Originally posted by mwm1331
But therin lies the problem sminkeypinkey, I do not feel the government has a right to force me to treat all people with respect. There are a great
number of people I have no respect for as they have shown me they are unworthy of my respect.
- I think the issue is one of differentiating between our private lives and our public.
You are free to hold whatever prejudices you like privately but in public life we are trying to excise these as they are no real basis to do
It seems that depending on your outlook prejudice is great....until it's pointed at you/me/whomever.
The simple fact is that christians beleieve only christians go to heaven, can that not be interperted as prejudiced against other
- Well it's the point again about whether that private belief is taken into the 'public sphere' isn't it?
No-one is attempting to suppress or outlaw private convictions or ethics as far as I can see; all I see is an insistance that in our public dealings
with each other we will not deal with each other in any way other than with as much open equality as possible.
Certainly that is the point in Europe.
Most seem happy to accept this as I suppose it is not that long ago that 'we' saw and suffered the consequences of the opposite approach.
For all it's possible faults I know which approach I prefer - and when it comes to it I think we simply don't need to put up with not
There's none of us perfect but we should try IMO.
Understand I am not implying that the EU has any intention of bnning chrstianity, however the fact that such a precedent would allow them the
authority to do so worries me.
- I really don't see where you are getting the idea that this would ever be possible never mind feasible.
Sminkey though very Pro-EU I have also observed that you love and take pride in your home country. However since natonalism lead to the
outbreak of WW1 + WW2 couldn't a legitimate argument be made that nationalism is a destructive ideology and must be stamped out?
- Yes, well, I guess there is patriotism and then there is always an extreme.
The extreme 'ultra' version is well worth 'the authorities' keeping an eye on, I agree, because whatever the delusion the 'ultra' version is in
actual fact almost invariably traitorous to our people and nation (as they and it actually are) and our 'national values and ideals'.
Yes ignorance and hate must be challenged but is giving up our right to free speech and thought really the best way to go about it?
- I really don't see anything has happened to have anyone lose their right to free speech.
People in Europe have a perfect right to free speech - but what they can say is not always without consequence, same as anywhere, surely?
Others have the right to draw conclusions and make evaluations from what has been freely and legally said (as we saw with the fuss over the original
EU commission nominations and the comments one of the original nominees which had his nomination quashed).
Is there anything strange about that?
That's pretty much the same as anywhere, isn't it.
[edit on 8-2-2005 by sminkeypinkey]