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Charlie Gard parents announce death of 'beautiful boy'

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posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:17 PM
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Charlie Gard, the baby at the centre of a legal row over his treatment, has died, a family spokesman has confirmed.


BBC News

Such a sad case, I have been following it closely, absolutely hart breaking.

Nothing more to add really.




posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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Disgraceful how the hospital handled it.

Looks to me like Great Ormonds street at the end was just trying to spite them.

They deny private treatment.

Thsy then deny the wish he die at home.

Then they deny the parents wish to have 1 week in the hospice.


1 week would hardly have made a fing bit of difference! They won the court case, least they could do is have the humanity and decency to let the parents have the dying wish.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: InsaneIthorian

Pretty much.

When the news broke that they wouldn't even be allowed to take him home to die under hospice care, even after having raised money for the trip to America which surely would have covered that, some here said the hospital denied them because they were worried that transport would cause pain and suffering, but the hospital transported him to a different freaking hospital to remove him from life support anyhow. So that could not have been an issue. So if you're going to move him somehow to disconnect him, at least move him to his home!

Heartless, but the government knows best ... better than you how your child ought to die and when and where.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I had hoped he would be transferred to the U.S. Not because the outcome would have been different, but for the parents sake. As a parent, you need to know that you've done all you can. I'm sure there will be anger and guilt now that he has passed. They will feel like there was maybe the smallest chance for him. Love for your children is rarely logical. I'm glad the baby is at peace. My heart breaks for his parents.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

The NHS is broken.
Its outdated and it has more buerocrats than doctors.


The UK needs to switch to what they have in France. It costs a little extra but its the best healthcare in the world.

Problem is as soon as anyone brings up NHS reform they start bringing the USA disasterous healthcare into the argument like only two countries in the world exist.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: InsaneIthorian

Everyone calls the US's health care disastrous, but it's not.

The health insurance system is messed up thanks to Obamacare which screws up the method of payment and makes it all way more expensive than it has to be.

But our care itself is very, very good by almost any measure.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:34 PM
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Absolute tragedy all around. This became such a heartbreak for not just these parents but for other parents concerned about their seriously ill children in the UK. The socialist medicine controls all decisions-it doesn't matter if these are your children, parents, etc; you have no rights. I hope the Americans are paying close attention.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah..... no one wants US healthcare system sorry. You can keep it.
Healthcare is a right in the UK the same as guns are your right.

France categorically is at the top of most categories for healthcare and provides for all.

Why the hell would we want the USA system that doesnt rank in the top 10 when you can adopt the best,



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:40 PM
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Last year the NHS saw over 16million patients.

It is amazing therefore that cases like this are not more common.

I remember once speaking with a consultant, one of my patients had been told he was going to die and his family wanted to take him home and the consultant said it would not be possible.

After I asked why he had done it and he said that the reason was because someone had to be the bad guy for the sake of the family because there was no chance that the guy would make the journey home and even if he did there was no way that his family would be able to deliver the care required. He also said it was the hardest part of his job.

I don't blame the doctors for this, I don't blame this poor boys family nor do I blame the courts, I think its just been one of those horrible things that happens in life.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: InsaneIthorian
a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah..... no one wants US healthcare system sorry. You can keep it.
Healthcare is a right in the UK the same as guns are your right.

France categorically is at the top of most categories for healthcare and provides for all.

Why the hell would we want the USA system that doesnt rank in the top 10 when you can adopt the best,


Health care is not a right. You cannot call something a right when it is a service provided by another. Think long and hard about this one. If you depend on someone else to provide something you call a right, you are one short step away from declaring that person your slave because you have every right to the goods and/or services they produce that you have a right to.

In the US, maybe one of the reasons we fight so hard against this is because we had this very, very bloody thing called a Civil War fought in part because there was a class of people who felt they had every right to own the goods and services produced by another class of people and by extension, they believed they also owned those people.

If you feel that health care is a right, then shouldn't food be a right? What about clothing? How about shelter? All those things are things people need to survive, just like health care, and all those things are also things that people produce for you. Do you own the produce of their labor as your right too?

How close are you to a state owned and controlled economy for everyone's own good, of course, because you have a right to all those things? Where does that mentality stop and at what point does the state feel it then needs to step in and begin to compel people into those professions because no one wants to be a slave to everyone else, even under what you may feel is a generous term of service?

We have trouble with teachers here. It's not an uncommon saying already that those who can do and the rest teach implying that our best and brightest do not go into teaching as a profession. Why? Because everyone has a "right" to a free public education, so teachers are kept public servants and make a pittance compared to what they could make in for profit economic jobs. So very few who are good and called go into teaching, they go into jobs that offer better returns on their education investments.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:47 PM
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If you feel that health care is a right, then shouldn't food be a right? What about clothing? How about shelter? All those things are things people need to survive, just like health care, and all those things are also things that people produce for you. Do you own the produce of their labor as your right too?


In the UK pretty much all of these things are regarded as rights.

The core principles have been lost in recent years but the NHS is universal, comprehensive and free at point of use regardless of ability to pay.

If you cannot afford food then you are eligible for certain benefits.

If you are unemployed then its possible to get benefits to help give you shelter.

Now yes we do have a problem with people abusing the system that needs to be addressed, but would we ever want to swap it for the American system of your ability to pay equating to your worth as a human... hell no!



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: InsaneIthorian
a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah..... no one wants US healthcare system sorry. You can keep it.
Healthcare is a right in the UK the same as guns are your right.

France categorically is at the top of most categories for healthcare and provides for all.

Why the hell would we want the USA system that doesnt rank in the top 10 when you can adopt the best,


Health care is not a right.


Didn't bother with the rest of what you said because this is the key here.

In the UK it is. Maybe not the in the USA but in the UK it is.

Your guns are a right in the USA but not in the UK.

Rights are subjective from country to country and culture to culture.



We have healthcare you have guns.

Our country so we get to decide whats a right here, same as you get to decide whats a right in your country.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: InsaneIthorian




We have healthcare you have guns.


Not wanting to derail the thread, especially one that is so heartbreaking.

But this really is quite a contradiction is it not.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko


How close are you to a state owned and controlled economy for everyone's own good, of course, because you have a right to all those things?


O and for the record the UK is above the USA for economic freedom.


So you guys are closer to a state owned economy



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: InsaneIthorian




The UK needs to switch to what they have in France. It costs a little extra but its the best healthcare in the world



It's not actually.

The NHS is ranked Number 1. France comes in at Number 10

www.theguardian.com...

www.newscientist.com...

www.telegraph.co.uk...



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: InsaneIthorian




We have healthcare you have guns.


Not wanting to derail the thread, especially one that is so heartbreaking.

But this really is quite a contradiction is it not.


Dont think its our place to say.

There country so they can decide whats a right and is not.

Seems stupid to us but I guess to them its important.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: InsaneIthorian




The UK needs to switch to what they have in France. It costs a little extra but its the best healthcare in the world



It's not actually.

The NHS is ranked Number 1. France comes in at Number 10

www.theguardian.com...

www.newscientist.com...

www.telegraph.co.uk...


Rubbish.

My Ecuadorian girlfreind gets better healthcare than me!

No way are we at the top when i have to wait a month to see a GP!



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: InsaneIthorian
Disgraceful how the hospital handled it.

Looks to me like Great Ormonds street at the end was just trying to spite them.

They deny private treatment.

Thsy then deny the wish he die at home.

Then they deny the parents wish to have 1 week in the hospice.


1 week would hardly have made a fing bit of difference! They won the court case, least they could do is have the humanity and decency to let the parents have the dying wish.






As far as I'm aware they didn't deny the right to die at home, they said there wasn't an ICU unit that they could take home with them, and they couldn't find a trained ICU team to go and be at their home, so the child's welfare was best handled in a hospice with trained staff and equipment, instead of at home with nothing.

And they did try and find ICU equipment and staff to go home with them, but nothing was available.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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Argue with the people who compiled the survey then.

I would rather believe them than you.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: InsaneIthorian

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: InsaneIthorian




The UK needs to switch to what they have in France. It costs a little extra but its the best healthcare in the world



It's not actually.

The NHS is ranked Number 1. France comes in at Number 10

www.theguardian.com...

www.newscientist.com...

www.telegraph.co.uk...


Rubbish.

My Ecuadorian girlfreind gets better healthcare than me!

No way are we at the top when i have to wait a month to see a GP!



Depends where you live, in my part of Scotland I can phone up my GP and usually get an appointment same day. Or next day at the latest.




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