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How Those Opposed to Military Transgender Ban Can Really Make A Difference!

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posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: incoserv
A lot of folks are upset about the President's ban on transgender people serving in the military. Well, instead of just whining and fussing about it, here's a challenge that could make a difference:

What if every person who is opposed to the ban joined the military in protest. That's all you'd have to do. Join any branch of the service, go through the basic training regimen, then let your voice be heard.

Yeah, that's right! Instead of just fussing because you feel like it's wrong, go do something about it. Sign up! Become a soldier, an sailor. Be an example. Join the Air Force or the Marines. Then once you've been through the ringer, your opinion would count for so much more.

Let me know when you sign up so that I can give you an ATTABOY. (or ATTAGAL, or ATTA-WHATEVER-THE-CASE-MAY-BE.)

No, that was a joke, but I'm serious. Do it. DO IT!!!!!



Trump never served in the military


Trump is a sissy-boy whimp. The military might have taken some of the spoiled rich-birch out of him, and he might not have gone through life as an entitled p#ssy, and done some good with daddy's money.

Instead, he is just seeking the approval he never got from daddy, and takes it out on ever one else. Sad, senile old man.

Gone soon though.




posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 06:43 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Technically, he is serving now.


Technically he isn't. The constitution is setup to put a civilian in charge of the military to prevent military coups.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 07:19 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yea I'm a little confused as to how a civilian can be claimed to be "technically" serving. That's like saying somebody in the DEP is serving.

Except the one in the DEP actually signed a contract to enlist.

President isn't paid out of any part of the defense budget. Not subject to military law. Doesn't sign any sort of induction contract.

And that's not even getting in to all the case law and constitutional angles that pretty clearly state the president is a civilian that controls the military.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

It really shows how poor people's civics knowledge is these days... These are the types who constantly appeal to the Constitution too, yet here they are saying that Trump is in the military.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 08:14 AM
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If you think ISIS, The Taliban, etc etc, are harsh to their prisoners now......wait till they get their hands on Jim/Judy. I can only imagine the torture that a transwoman is gonna go thru before they throw them off a building, or boil them in oil. With all this military cash being spent on Viagra, boob jobs, etc etc, I see why are military is lacking in fundamental protection for ground troops.....hard to buy body armor when Sheila needs a tit job and Jim wants to become Judy.
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posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: incoserv

If a person wants to serve, then they should be able to.

If a person wants to serve just to get a sex change operation, there are other better alternatives than serving.

I personally admire anyone who wants to serve.

But like Lysergic (member) said people with peanut allergies can't even serve because of the considerations that would have to be taken. It's a valid point.

I say to the transgendered, serve if you really want to. I would welcome you.

If you want a sex change operation afterwards, then you should also have that right.

But do it afterwards.

Do your job first.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: incoserv

Well first, I'm a veteran. Second, I was deployed and blew out my ACL in Iraq; as such I cannot run very well anymore. Third, Eff military culture; I enjoy my independence and not having a superior making sure I'm living my private life appropriately. Fourth, joining the military is the last way to get your voice heard; the entire system is setup to squelch dissent by making soldiers strictly adhere to the chain of command.


Therein truth lay.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 09:25 AM
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If it were just about service I wouldn't have a problem with it, but it's not is it? It's about forcing society to participate in your delusion because you don't like the plumbing you were born with. I honestly have no problems if Joe wants to be Jane in the drag show at the gay club on the weekend. Where the problem arises is when Joe constantly files complaints about his superiors and peers calling him Joe and using the male pronoun when referring to him. The wedding bakery story is ample proof that it doesn't stop at getting "the right".

I was pretty ambivalent towards gay marriage until they used the courts to ruin people who did not want to participate in weddings they found immoral rather than find someone who offered a similar good and service of like quality and price. I can no longer live and let live, they have no intention of it why should I?



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 09:39 AM
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Hell Yeah!



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t




Fourth, joining the military is the last way to get your voice heard; the entire system is setup to squelch dissent by making soldiers strictly adhere to the chain of command.


As well it should be.

The military is supposed to remain apolitical for a reason.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Exactly. That's why you don't join it to be political and voice your displeasure at how politics is treating the military.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I served during the Obama years. The latter half of his term, by which time I was already pretty vehemently against his policies.

I served with honor and moved on. I never tied my military career to the politics I saw from the president. I always kept the two separate per UCMJ. I went and did my job and came home.

I have a serious problem with both sides of the political spectrum using service members as a captive audience for their political agendas.

Saw it throughout the Obama admin when his SecDef came to visit, and I see it now.


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posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

I served during the Bush years and people used to ask me about my political opinion towards the Iraq war and I would just shrug and say I hadn't thought about it. I was SUPER apolitical at the time. When I deployed, I did my job until I was sent home for tearing my ACL. It wasn't until I left the military that I started actually becoming political.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: fiverx313
my husband's in the military. he's 100% fine with serving with transgendered troops, and with the military covering their medical expenses. as he said when i asked his opinion, they cover viagra, lap-band surgery and boob jobs so it doesn't make sense to draw the line there.



I dont see the need for funding the trans surgeries OR viagra, boob jobs, and lap bands.

WHY?
You boobs too small? you dont need boobs for war, only benefits lovers with a boob thing. No boobs for you!

'Ol pecker dont salute? He isnt needed for your tasks, keep your hand out of your pants.

Trans? It doesnt matter whats in your pants, everyone wears the same uniform... who cares, play dress up on your own time.

Lap Band? There are weight loss programs that you can follow. If those dont cut the fat, then maybe you should retire or actually diet and exercise for real?

IMHO of course



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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When my husband served in the military from 1979 to 1999, boob jobs for cosmetic reasons were no allowed, but breast reduction for medical reason were allowed.

Now genital mutilation has never been allowed in the military as personal choices.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

So in your mind it's either ban em or let then have orgies?

It's not so simple. There are estimated between 7-15k already serving.


What do you think happened when blacks were allowed to desgregate? Probably some sensitivity training.

Nobody should get elective surgent in the service. No fake boobs, but implants or sex changes.

But if your post or pre transition and they can pass (like the former Trans navy seal from team 6)

It shouldn't matter. It sold be about the job

What if a Trans person swims into n Korea and kills Kim Jon ? Would you support the Trans medical care then?

Or the world's best analyst or sniper.

A total ban which trump tweeted is simply rediculous and political.

And it isn't even legal yet so who knows if he was just using disinformation like he loves to do.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: marg6043

The rand report basically said a 100 people most, would even want the surgery.

So what about the 11k others? Like the Kristen becks and the ones in current combat duty?

If we take away the surgery then what is your argument?

Shouldn't a qualified person get the job?



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I served during the Obama years. The latter half of his term, by which time I was already pretty vehemently against his policies.

I served with honor and moved on. I never tied my military career to the politics I saw from the president. I always kept the two separate per UCMJ. I went and did my job and came home.

I have a serious problem with both sides of the political spectrum using service members as a captive audience for their political agendas.

Saw it throughout the Obama admin when his SecDef came to visit, and I see it now.



Thank you! and well said. Spot on!



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: incoserv
A lot of folks are upset about the President's ban on transgender people serving in the military. Well, instead of just whining and fussing about it, here's a challenge that could make a difference:

What if every person who is opposed to the ban joined the military in protest. That's all you'd have to do. Join any branch of the service, go through the basic training regimen, then let your voice be heard.

Yeah, that's right! Instead of just fussing because you feel like it's wrong, go do something about it. Sign up! Become a soldier, an sailor. Be an example. Join the Air Force or the Marines. Then once you've been through the ringer, your opinion would count for so much more.

Let me know when you sign up so that I can give you an ATTABOY. (or ATTAGAL, or ATTA-WHATEVER-THE-CASE-MAY-BE.)

No, that was a joke, but I'm serious. Do it. DO IT!!!!!



let me tell you how that would play out... because you know, in the military you are held to the UCMJ.

Let me walk you through this... go to meps, pass, sign a contract (now you're accountable under the uniform code of military justice), get through BCT and AIT, report to a unit as a lower enlisted individual. start protesting. Your first line leader will recommend you for an Article 15. You'll start losing pay and get extra duty. You will not be able to provide for your family, you'll be burdened with more manual labor at half the pay - in the mean time your unit suffers because everyones job is important. other peoples careers are harder - you may even put lives in danger, even kill people because you arnt doing your job. But you're a strong SJW, you keep it up, stay the cause and you get court martialed and dishonorably discharged, you re-enter civilian life. you now can't find a job because a DH Discharge is like being a felon... now you can't even buy a gun - your constitutional rights are beat down. Your life now sucks.

remember, Military life is a world of its own, different laws and punishments - remember, in military, you get your a$$ thrown in jail for adultery...

But if you REALLY wanted to infiltrate the military (still probably gonna get thrown in jail) just to protest, you'd have to get commissioned as an officer, work your way from a butter bar 2lt to something serious, like I dunno, a four star of TRADOC or something, then start getting political, maybe retire after 26 years of living a secret double life and become a politician. when you get there hope a left wing president is in office and appoints you SoD or something JCS maybe, then start making your change.


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posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 12:46 PM
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The military can hand out an article 15 when soldiers get tattoos and are unable to do their job. Same goes for sunburns.


Military medicals purpose is to keep the soldier fit for duty. How does a sex change operation make a soldier fit for duty?

It doesn't so it shouldn't be allowed.



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