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Top US general promises no changes in military transgender policy for now

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posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Well you get better numbers and prove me wrong then. Until then I don't care what you think about the numbers. You already demonstrated that you can't math.




posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:36 PM
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eh, pull funding for all military non-vital health procedures.

No sex changes, no boner pills, no facelifts, no breast/pectoral implants, etc.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: RomeByFire

I like this statistic.
Transgender people are twice as likely as the general population to serve in the military


And how much more likely are transpeople to commit suicide and have other serious mental health issues alongside their gender dysphoria. How much more likely to use hard drugs? How much more likely to be HIV/AIDS positive?

But leaving aside the last two, given the amounts of mental stress combat troops are subjected to, why is it a good idea to subject a population already known to be fragile to even more mental stress? There are already suicide problems among vets who were otherwise mentally healthy going in.

Seems like borrowing trouble.

Not to mention, if you have a transgender in a troop that gets separated from supply and he or she is cut off from their hormones, what happens? Hormonal fluctuations are murder both physically and psychologically as any adolescent or menopausal woman could tell you. Now add that in under combat stress.

This is why the military generally does not take in people who need medication.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

And here goes another great example, of Obama running an overkill game that will inevitably get undone, putting the trans people in this position to fight for the ordeal in such a way, especially with the exposure in general, that I argue will hurt them in the end (similar effect with the kindergarten restrooms overkill).

Here they've been getting on just fine, from the looks of those numbers, but then Obama had to go and do the most anti-military human spec norms thing that can be imagined in saying that they could even undergo such surgeries and treatments as active duty. Alone. Then the part we're supposed to pay for it seals the deal this whole thing like the restrooms was political sabotage with trans people as the pawns.

You all know its an insane policy. You all know its an divisive policy. But anything to score them political points. And anything to throw a wrench in our social fabric.

I'm confident of this because I was with you all in the Anti-War Movement. And in the end it was never even about being anti-war for your tribe, it was just about damaging the Republican's. It is known.

And its also obvious because you lot are demagoguing the issue with every possible item you can dig up, like viagra shaming the veteran's many of whom you simply will never know how f'd their biology is because of what the imperial war machine has put them through. The same one you guys a pretended to be against until it was Obama & Hillary doing the same ilk of war criminal BS as Bush & Cheney.


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posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

The military doesn't do thorough psyche evaluations on ANY soldiers trans or otherwise. Your argument is moot because it isn't like the military is screening people for ADD, OCD, Anxiety, or any other mental disorder before joining. At least they didn't when I signed up in 2003.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Oh yes I REALLY believe you have trans people's best interests at heart by keeping them out of the military /sarc
I just got eye strain from rolling my eyes so hard at your tripe.

PS: I'M a veteran. I know all about my own biology and dealing with the VA already.
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posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: Butterfinger
eh, pull funding for all military non-vital health procedures.

No sex changes, no boner pills, no facelifts, no breast/pectoral implants, etc.

That right there is the kind of policy I can get behind


Why is it people still have not figured out Trump's twitter rants is nothing more than theater??? If Trump is twittering something we already know what the obvious reactions are going to be. It is by design, it is theater. Because the tv method is outdated, the social media is the new medium for distractions.

Either way, I like what Butterfinger proposes here.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Viagra is prescribed for more than just 'hot action'.



I checked on several pharmaceutical sites and the only condition that it treats is erectile dysfunction. Are you sure it's viagra you're thinking of and not testosterone? The two are rather different.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:48 PM
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Well my defense minister Sir Michael Fallon said this about the ban.

Sir Michael Fallon has denounced Donald Trump’s ban on transgender people serving in the military, saying it was “only right” that the military opposed all forms of discrimination.

Asked about the ban, the defence secretary told The Telegraph: "No, we don't support that ban. I want our military to be completely open. It is right that the military should be equally open to anybody, irrespective of their race, their colour, their gender their sexuality. That is only right."

To me If you are truly against discrimination you can not argue that he is wrong.

www.telegraph.co.uk...
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posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t


when I signed up in 2003.


Boot.




posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: Byrd

This claim right here:

Trump's announcement on the transgender policy apparently was NOT something that the generals or anyone who holds a current military commission and is on active duty knew about.

is absolutely not supported by your link.

The reason that no action or changes will be taken is that Trump has not submitted a written, detailed, and signed directive that supports his statement yet, so of course no branches of the military are going to immediately react--it's not official policy, yet. Once Trump gives that to Mattis, then it becomes official on whatever date is noted in the policy.

But if you're implying that he doesn't have the power to change this policy and enforce it, you are full of error.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Okay good go down to the VFW hall, talk to dozens of Gulf War and dozens of Vietnam vets. Ask them how the experimental drugs did them. And the Agent Orange. Try to find people with rough lungs, ask them if the weapons platforms they were firing were made of DU.

All that stuff can readily knock you dick in the dirt.

But quick every liberal out there Viagra Shame the vets.

And act like you actually care about human beings is why you are doing it!



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: Byrd

Someone had a big fancy list in the mega thread yesterday. Honestly I had no idea before that, but I know troops encounter all sorts of adverse health risk effects normal people in the de-industrialized US never would so could see that list being far above irreverent for the vets demographic.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

If you had their best interests in heart I'd argue you'd try to talk them out of joining.

Transgender people face alarmingly high risk of suicide
[Suicide attempts are alarmingly common among transgender individuals such as Lampe; 41% try to kill themselves at some point in their lives, compared with 4.6% of the general public. ]

New VA study finds 20 veterans commit suicide each day
[In 2014, the latest year available, more than 7,400 veterans took their own lives, accounting for 18 percent of all suicides in America. Veterans make up less than 9 percent of the U.S. population.]

But scoring political points and pushing that liberal social group warfare agenda trumps even you own base (considering you guys defend Radical Islam to the death when they'd throw the trans people off of skyscrapers for being trans).


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posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

You just don't see the hypocrisy in your statement do you? The conservative crowd is a selfish bunch.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I know there is an encephalitis vaccine that some where my husband work are expected to take for their job. They have to travel to Anapolis because the only people, aside from pharma workers and the like, who get that vaccine are military. It's an experimental vaccine, and it reportedly messes you up if you have to get it. Husband almost had to, and that's just one that we happen to know of.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: Stevenjames15

I'm not a conservative!



But please do tell how I'm being a hypocrite in trying to stick up for the vets. I do loathe the imperial war machine that is "our" Department of Offense, but dont hate the vets. In fact what it does to them was a core tipping points in my becoming this way.
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posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: whywhynot
The tweet is not official direction but as your source article reports the Joint Chiefs are naturally awaiting the proper directive thru the chain of command.



I wonder how much respect the "real" military has for the "tweeter in chief"?


I believe it's decreasing rapidly (if they had any.) If you recall, earlier this week he violated policy by telling the military to write their Congressmen and demand they pass his budget: (not a popular move)



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: whywhynot
The tweet is not official direction but as your source article reports the Joint Chiefs are naturally awaiting the proper directive thru the chain of command.



I wonder how much respect the "real" military has for the "tweeter in chief"?


Answering your question begins with a question. Please provide your definition of your term "real military "?

Antidotal evidence suggests that a large majority of the military respect Trump and he respects them.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: testingtesting
Well my defense minister Sir Michael Fallon said this about the ban.

Sir Michael Fallon has denounced Donald Trump’s ban on transgender people serving in the military, saying it was “only right” that the military opposed all forms of discrimination.

Asked about the ban, the defence secretary told The Telegraph: "No, we don't support that ban. I want our military to be completely open. It is right that the military should be equally open to anybody, irrespective of their race, their colour, their gender their sexuality. That is only right."

To me If you are truly against discrimination you can not argue that he is wrong.

www.telegraph.co.uk...


So NO discrimination for the military?

So they can't discriminate against someone who can't pass the physical examines? That is a form of discrimination (aa good one).

They can't discriminate with someone based on a disease or illness?



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