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Transgender Person Writes Thoughts on Trump's Military Ban

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posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 04:03 AM
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originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: seasonal

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Deaf Alien

What exactly allows someone to speak for the trans community?


A true transgender person of course.


And is there a test or certification to pass the smell test of a true liberal. Or is the fact that the un-transed or de-transed disagrees with the liberal mantra got his trans license pulled (in your view) and he no longer represents a good the wholesome trans marching in lock step any more?

Why do you guys keep missing the fact that he admitted he wasn't transgender?


So a person who had surgery and lived as the opposite sex is not transgender?? Now I'm totally confused!!

So if a person who identified as transgender and lived as such now thinks it was wrong so they don't identify that way anymore and all of sudden his whole experience as living transgender is void?!?!!???


I will give you the definition:
A transgender is someone who is in the #resist movement.

So to clarify, if some dude in the #resist movement cross dresses now and then his views adequately reflect the transgender community. So do the views of everyone else in the #resist movement perfectly represent the transgender community.

However, if a dude has a sex change operation and lives as a woman for nearly a decade, but is not speaking out against the President, he is not a transgender and his views mean nothing.. in fact this person should be ridiculed and called names for having the temerity to speak for the transgender community.

Hope that helps in some way - I was confused about the definition too for a while, but having read through the views in the last 48 hrs, it's been quite easy to piece this together.

edit on 28/7/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)




posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 04:14 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: seasonal

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Deaf Alien

What exactly allows someone to speak for the trans community?


A true transgender person of course.


And is there a test or certification to pass the smell test of a true liberal. Or is the fact that the un-transed or de-transed disagrees with the liberal mantra got his trans license pulled (in your view) and he no longer represents a good the wholesome trans marching in lock step any more?

Why do you guys keep missing the fact that he admitted he wasn't transgender?


So a person who had surgery and lived as the opposite sex is not transgender?? Now I'm totally confused!!

So if a person who identified as transgender and lived as such now thinks it was wrong so they don't identify that way anymore and all of sudden his whole experience as living transgender is void?!?!!???


I will give you the definition:
A transgender is someone who is in the #resist movement.

So to clarify, if some dude in the #resist movement cross dresses now and then his views adequately reflect the transgender community. So do the views of everyone else in the #resist movement perfectly represent the transgender community.

However, if a dude has a sex change operation and lives as a woman for nearly a decade, but is not speaking out against the President, he is not a transgender and his views mean nothing.. in fact this person should be ridiculed and called names for having the temerity to speak for the transgender community.

Hope that helps in some way - I was confused about the definition too for a while, but having read through the views in the last 48 hrs, it's been quite easy to piece this together.




Maybe its time to declare gender independence, we could have a day of it and call it G-day.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 04:15 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: SudoNim

You have never been in the militany have you?? If you are not in a front line position your job is made to support them. Even people that handle laundry will get deployed to FOB. These basses are temporary and often in hostile territory. Every job in the military either fights or their job supports those that do.

There are no desk jobs in the military that keeps people out of combat every most in every unit will train in the field to support troops. I personally was great full those people were there it was nice being able to crash in a FOB without having to pull guard duty since they handle security as well. Meaning some desk jockey is out there hiking the fence.

Everyone else in the military goes through basic training. They are required to pass on thr shooting range.This is combat training because every soldier can be called on combat. It amazes me how people who are clueless with military operations want to pipe in and call others stupid.


Yes or no, are you required to spend a year in the desert.

Why spend 10 minutes writing three paragraphs deflecting from the question I asked.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 04:22 AM
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a reply to: SudoNim

God you need help buddy,

I quoted Russia and China because HOW MANY SUPERPOWER IS THERE? How many other countries would consider attacking the US? Iceland? Africa? Kazakhstan we're talking about a war scenario, which you still don't seem to comprehend...


196 countries
There are 196 countries in the world today. Taiwan is not considered an official country by many, which would bring the count down to 195 countries. Although Taiwan operates as an independent country, many countries (including the U.S.) do not officially recognize it as one.


Please get out of your bubble, your using "western" because if fits your purpose, I'm taking about world scale... Are you saying that because other countries aren't 1st world countries or their GDP isn't high enough they don't matter? Selective much are you?

Yes I'm absolutely glad to pay a soldier viagra... Because Erectile Dysfunction in PTSD soldiers is extremely prevalent, If a soldier goes to war, comes back broken because of his service and cannot get an erection are you saying the army should shun him for his combat scars? That's just plain stupid you still quote things you didn't research...

www.research.va.gov...


When compared with the general population, Veterans with posttraumatic stress disorder are at increased risk of sexual dysfunction. A review study published online in the Journal of Sexual Medicine on Feb. 9, 2015, found that male Veterans with PTSD were significantly more likely than their civilian counterparts to report erectile dysfunction or other sexual problems.


also...


And the majority of these veterans-those age 40 or below, who are in the prime of their sexual lives—face an 81 percent higher risk of sexual problems than those without a PTSD diagnosis, according to a 2013 study published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine.


And I'm stating the views of other countries not mine, I clearly said they can do whatever they want with their bodies as long as its not the tax payers footing the bills in over 3 posts but your conveniently cherry pinking one sentence and leaving the rest of the paragraph out which is again... sad...

You have no understanding of how other cultures work, you base everything your saying by assuming that because you are in a "1st world country" that somehow everything you do or think is better and that is simply arrogant...

All other countries don't think the same or are the same when in fact its not then again I'm taking hypothetical war scenario and views of a country in the eyes of another countries military but yeah you can't obviously understand that while your googling muscle trans pics, which you seem to have come up with awfully quick, part of your private collection or something? lol

Anyways I'm not bothering with you no more its useless, I'll go work so I can help pay some poor guy that went to war to protect my country a couple viagra pills so he can relieve some stress while you sit here trying to justify how we should pay trans surgeries that has nothing to do with the safety of the country or the backlash of war on soldiers...

Seriously bringing PTSD erectile dysfunction is very... very sad... there's probably half a dozen of soldiers here that will read your bs and will feel bad about themselves so that you can sooth your ego... pathetic... you really... really need to grow up...


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posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 04:56 AM
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In any case I will not respond to you no more


That lasted long.


originally posted by: _R4t_
a reply to: SudoNim


I quoted Russia and China because HOW MANY SUPERPOWER IS THERE? How many other countries would consider attacking the US? Iceland? Africa? Kazakhstan we're talking about a war scenario, which you still don't seem to comprehend...


So you think Russia and China are better because they don't have transgender individuals in their military?
If not, then why are you scared of them and why does America having transgender individuals affect that?



Please get out of your bubble, your using "western" because if fits your purpose, I'm taking about world scale... Are you saying that because other countries aren't 1st world countries or their GDP isn't high enough they don't matter? Selective much are you?


I'm selective yet you are the one who changed what I said and then used your version of my quote to then try and explain why its not a majority?

Just admit you were wrong, come on guy its not that hard.


When compared with the general population, Veterans with posttraumatic stress disorder are at increased risk of sexual dysfunction.


So you support the military paying for mental health conditions? Interesting. But you are only happy if its for other men to get erections. Again... very telling.


And I'm stating the views of other countries not mine, I clearly said they can do whatever they want with their bodies as long as its not the tax payers footing the bills in over 3 posts but your conveniently cherry pinking one sentence and leaving the rest of the paragraph out which is again... sad...


Wow the Trumpisms keep on coming... you are quite the parrot.

How do you know the views of other countries... please expand.


You have no understanding of how other cultures work


Yet you do?


Seriously bringing PTSD erectile dysfunction is very... very sad... there's probably half a dozen of soldiers here that will read your bs and will feel bad about themselves so that you can sooth your ego... pathetic... you really... really need to grow up...


How is questioning the cost of viagra very very sad, you seem to have got really emotional over this.

I mean you've twisted my words, I just questioned whether you were happy for that cost but not others... I didn't even give my opinion.

You seem to be acting like a drama queen



But to recap... since you once again ignored it... you disagree with Trumps decision?

Should someone who has no intention of requesting compensation surgery or requiring additional funds to support be banned from the US Military just because of their gender alignment?

Answer that. I already know the answer since you've danced over the topic many times while tying yourself in knots



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 05:25 AM
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Seriously your so deluded its not even right.

Take a look at your mentality right now and think about it, see if it make sense...

A> A soldier goes to war in perfect mental and sexual health, due to the emotional and physical damages he received on duty for his services to YOU and YOUR country... Your saying he should not be paid his medical expenses to cover for his war injuries that he sustained fighting for YOU and YOUR country...

While...

A Transexual who DID NOT go to war, DID NOT sustain COMBAT injuries that lead to his problem be paid COSMETIC surgeries, hormone therapy should be all paid for? And don't tell me he came back from war wanted to be a woman/man because every trans will tell you the same phrase (I was born this way its not a choice...) which means he was this way BEFORE he goes into the army...

All while we have hundreds veterans like my cousin who shot himself in the head in the middle of a street infront of 2 cops, who's last words were "I won't make you live what I lived in Afghanistan" BECAUSE the budget is not there and he couldn't get the support he needed but instead of using that money for our vets we should to give free sex changes and lifetime HRT to people who's issues ARE NOT and were NOT caused by combat...

Seriously your pitiful, I replied this last time so that people see how ridiculous you are and so ego driven you completely disregard the vets and soldiers with PTSD who were in combat and saw and had to do horrible things JUST so you can try to advance that the army should be paying for something they didn't cause in any shape or form... Just so you can try to justify you ego hurting...

See... you make no sense... you have no empathy for our vets or soldiers that fought for this country and YOUR freedom all that matters to you is people getting freebies for something they never earned because somehow society should owe them something because they were born different... pathetic...

That was my last reply... I wanted to bait you enough in that topic so the rest of the thread could see the "real you"....

To all the vets, soldiers in here that will read this, I heard the stories and the things that happened there first hand and God bless you all... You deserve whatever damn support, care, meds whatever you want... You went there a person and came back another and until you find yourself again through the darkness I will gladly pay taxes for your health cares and I will shake your hand every time I see one of you on the street because its the LEAST I owe you...
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posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 08:04 AM
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a reply to: _R4t_

You want to talk about my mentality? You stormed off two posts ago saying you'd never reply to me again and now your back?

Glutton for punishment I think is the term.


A> A soldier goes to war in perfect mental and sexual health, due to the emotional and physical damages he received on duty for his services to YOU and YOUR country... Your saying he should not be paid his medical expenses to cover for his war injuries that he sustained fighting for YOU and YOUR country...


Ahh.. so close, you almost made it a whole paragraph without lying.

Where did I say.. "Your saying he should not be paid his medical expenses to cover for his war injuries"... please quote me on that and we can discuss further.

If not, like the other times I called you out on lying, ignore that you just made it up and crawl back to your hole.

Wow, the rest of your post is some kind of angry rage about some fantasy that never happened and might not happen.

And you STILL refuse to answer anything posted to you... lets try again, see if your up for the challenge/recovered from your little meltdown.

Do you think its fair that a transgender individual who passes both physical and mental requirements and DOES NOT require funding for cosmetic surgery or therapy should be disqualified from serving?

If so why?



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 08:21 AM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011



The military is expected to prepare its members in warfare: to kill, destroy, and break our enemies. The most important factors in preparing a strong military are not hormone therapy, surgical sex changes, or politically correct education.


Whether or not he speaks for anyone other than himself doesn't matter. What matters is that he makes perfect sense.

If a transgender person wants to serve the military I have no problem with that and they shouldn't have any problem with checking male or female on application forms. If they do find that to be a problem then I don't think they are mentally prepared to serve their country the way the country needs.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: SudoNim


Pay your own bills... like say viagra bills, are you happy to pay for the military supply of viagra? Is it because they are for the tough hard mens only that you seem to love.


I once met a guy like you before... his name was Tomas S....... he was angry little 25 years old gay mexican who really thought he was intelligent but in the end, he was just a sad poor keyboard warrior...

Not bothering with you anymore... I seen all I had to see........ lol....
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posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: SudoNim

Quesion what do you think happens if they can't get testosterone injections in combat situation?? Being in the reserves is one thing but having to spend a year in the desert is another. This person would suffer physically without injections ie muscle turns to fat. And even worse anxiety and depression and let's not forget heart disease.

I had a hard time getting chap stick in Afghanistan wouldnt want to think about trying to get hormone injections.


I'm sure the showers in the military might get a little "steamy" with all that testosterone



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 08:57 AM
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originally posted by: SudoNim

I assume because they would fail the physical requirements to join.
The same requirements that transgender individuals were required to pass.
An overweight transgender individual would also fail.


They are not given a chance to even try, so it is not based on physical requirements, which by the way is another discriminator.



What you clearly can't seem to grasp is that there are currently a set of Physical and Mental requirements to join the Military that all individuals must pass...

What we are discussing here is that a certain group of individuals are now being disqualified regardless of whether they meet these requirements. Those individuals are being discriminated against because of how they align themselves sexually.


I would suggest they want to align themselves physically with their sexual mental state. This is rather different than just being gay or straight. You and others want to paint a picture that they are all find with average emotional and mental state of mind, and I think it is safe to suggest they have lived a life other than that just due to the fact of their condition. I'm not saying they are bad or wrong, but I do think they have lived a life of confusion, disrepair, social anxieties etc and most likely have all these their whole lives. Once again not their fault, but still carry a lot of mental baggage without even going down the path that many might want to join for the free medical to transform them.




You seemed to have confused this with complaining about one of the Physical requirements imposed.


I used one example of 100s, how about the person with high blood pressure that can't join even though they may only need diet to control it. Or my son who is basically blind in one eye but is a star basketball/football player? I have workers that deploy and one was medically disqualified because he takes Testosterone for low T condition, will Trans be willing to come off their hormone treatments for 8 months or more at a time? I think I could go on and on with this but I hope you get the point now.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Unreal. So literally everything I just said the other day in the thread initially addressing this topic, which I was lambasted for by the Clintonite paid trolls. Pushing the Baphomet/androgynous society agenda...

I can hear the panties bunching now...




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