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Transgender Person Writes Thoughts on Trump's Military Ban

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posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Is that a real question


Did you fail to notice the question mark?




posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: SudoNim
How much of the budget does it cost? Why do you assume all transgender soldiers... or transgender people in any role of the military would require this therapy or funds for a sex change.
...


Well, first of all viagra is a drug that is given for "erectile dysfunction" which is a physical problem.

Being transgender is a "mental disorder" and not a real physical condition because it is in the minds of transgender folk.

I have no idea how much it would cost, but looking online this is what I found in a transgender website.


...
Hormone Therapy: $1,500/Year
...
Gender Reassignment Surgery: $30,000-Plus
...
Facial Feminization Surgery: $25,000-$60,000
...
Breast Augmentation: $5,000-$10,000
...

www.teenvogue.com...

So it can cost $61,500 to well over $71,500 U.S.D. per transgender person that wants to transition.

That's not mentioning the fact that many transgenders who decide to go through such operations have changed their minds and then they have even more psychological problems which the military would have to pay for.



...
Conclusions

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


edit on 27-7-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 11:18 PM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Sorry, but you may be alone in your inquiry..



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 11:19 PM
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I am PRO LGBT, I have a lesbian sister who I love dearly.

Let me give you a hypothetical based on Truth....

I wanted to join the military. I was rejected at MEPS for being under weight. Mind you I scored in the top 97%(Meaning I could Specialize in ANY field I wanted. I personally Wanted to be a combat Medic.

I have 3 friends who are in the military are their platoon is operating at under 70%

Lets say I did get accepted and signed a 4 year contract. I made it through basic training., I made it through my 9 months of Combat med training. A Whole Year I was paid to train and expected to join a platoon and do some super cool and awesome stuff like save their lives. I decide 'Hey I want to be a girl'...I have surgery. I become a Girl. I now have to go through 2 years(Conservative) of post operation treatment, Hormones, Psychological treatment. More surgery to adjust my physical appearance. Im now 3 out of 4 years into my contract

The Platoon I was assigned too and who was waiting for that full year for me to join, get shipped off at under operation capacity. They are going into a non combative zone, which is already under control. 2 Weeks into their tour, they run into a bunch of rebels while on patrol and all die cause, I wasnt there and they went without their medic. 10 USA Soldiers were lost to an army of 50 rebels, they took out 47 of them first though!

How is this good for a country with super high standards and a military power FEARED. How is that good cause we let a would be transgender into our military? When they could have taken me in the first place and just fed me more. I would have given them a full 4 years and 5 out of 10 people would still be alive cause I had the training to save them? Where is my Storm of people getting pissed off cause they wouldn't take me cause I was under weight?



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Maybe you're a transhunter?



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 11:29 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Unless that's the name of a transformer, only thing I'm in the hunt for is more knowledge.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 11:29 PM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Transknowledgehunter?



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 11:33 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

It doesn't really matter what pseudonym you want to give me, as this is much bigger than the both of us.




posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 11:37 PM
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originally posted by: SudoNim

originally posted by: _R4t_
a reply to: Skywatcher2011


If you want to still be in the army after that then fine... Its because you wanted a military career, if your bitching about it then your simply looking for someone to pay your medical bills and you don't belong in there in first place...


But its not fine... you are still banned from being in the military.

So you also disagree with this decision, glad you finally accepted that.



What are you talking about, I said I agree with the decision because the basis of the ban has roots in economy... Don't put words into my mouth because YOU disagree with it... I'm saying the basis upon which its banned is economical at the root... Trump didn't say "Your not getting in the army cuz of mental instability, soldiers are uneasy with it, we don't want that image with the other armies in the world or this or that...

This is what he said...

"Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail,"

And I agree with this, the costs plus potential danger of having somebody highly volatile pumped with hormones who is in a weak state of mind trying to accept their new life is dangerous to themselves and others... 100% sound of mind soldiers go to war and come back broken, do you REALLY want to send somebody in an emotional turmoil there and expect him to not completely break, kill himself or others? Put the social justice warrior costume aside and try to understand logic for once because common sense supersede political correctness when the live of sons, fathers and husbands are at risk...

HOWEVER...

Trans are expecting the military to pay for their medical expenses, I said "Fine you want to be in the army sign off all possible pre/post operation medical bill coverage related directly or indirectly to your switch over be on special duties for 48months after the completion of your treatments and be cleared for combat by a specialist and then we'll talk again..."

Take the time to read and understand before being butt hurt and commenting on something you haven't fully comprehended... And don't push your personal agenda on me, simply because you want it to be the other way around to voluntary misinterpret my words and twist them around trying to prove your point that's just weak...

And finally, you have the "psyop" part... Other countries aren't as "open" than america... Other world superpowers like Russia and China will frown and laugh upon this and you loose the fear factor... They will promote it to their soldiers saying "We're going to war against a bunch of transexual... its a sure win..."

How your enemy see you is a very big factor in how you win a war, take the Maori warrior dance as example, dress them all in pink with feathers and all and tell me if it look as terrifying? You won't intimidate Russia or China with an army of Trans if anything your going to make their soldiers more confident and that will play against you big times, intimidation has its place in war due to the psychological effects...

Your gonna be alot more courageous if you don't fear the enemy your running toward than if you do...
edit on 28-7-2017 by _R4t_ because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Are you a transgender person? If so maybe you should rename yourself to Transwatcher2011?



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 11:51 PM
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a reply to: Artye

Someone brings logic and experience in and nobody dares touch or star it because it doesn't "conform" to current sociopolitical concepts...

I applaud you... If you really want to be in the army don't give up, sign up to a gym for a year and bulk up you can easily make the requirements...

I'm sad to see that we've reached an age where people feel so entitled that they believe everything should conform to them and not the other way around...

the whole "I want to be in the army, I shouldn't have to fit to their standards, they should modify their standards to fit me..." is ridiculous, it spawns for self-entitled kids that should have gotten a good spanking when they were young...

Anyways I applaud your common sense and am in agreement with you...



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 12:03 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

That's not mentioning the fact that many transgenders who decide to go through such operations have changed their minds and then they have even more psychological problems which the military would have to pay for.



As I said before and no one seems to want to reply to is the military discriminates against a long list of mental, physical and medical conditions already, and I don't see transgender as different in this case since they meet at least one if not all three conditional discriminators. I do think that male transgenders seem to cope better since females that feel they are male seem to except their position better in accepting their female body but take on a male role in life. The problem is how do you separate the transgenders that have this attitude from the ones that feel the need to go all the way. I say you can't so you need to just set a none or all limit.

I have a son that is basically blind in one eye and he can't join though he is a star on his football team and is going to be an engineer. If someone is over weight they can't join either no matter how much they want to serve their country. Where is the uproar over these discriminators too..lol

Why not let the over weight person join so they can get liposuction and a stomach band to get them under weight...

GIVE ME A BREAK!
edit on 28-7-2017 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 12:14 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero


Why not let the over weight person join so they can get liposuction and a stomach band to get them under weight...


Flawless Victory... Xtrozero wins!!!



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 12:23 AM
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originally posted by: _R4t_
a reply to: Xtrozero


Why not let the over weight person join so they can get liposuction and a stomach band to get them under weight...


Flawless Victory... Xtrozero wins!!!


Flawless victory indeed.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 01:16 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

You literally make no sense, your last 10 posts are either a single word or one liners, you have brought nothing here of intellectual value, its like arguing with a stubborn child, your previous post was deleted by a mod cuz it was off topic.

Your lucky you haven't been banned already, either your a troll or a very sick individual seeking attention and to disturb this thread because you don't agree or like the content. Please if you have nothing of intellectual value backed up with something that at least "sounds" intelligent please go sit in the corner...

gif posting is the fine line where someone runs out of word and arguments but still have their ego irritated enough that you just can't stop... Either bring something of intellectual value or simply take a walk...
edit on 28-7-2017 by _R4t_ because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 01:55 AM
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a reply to: _R4t_

Apparently you haven't seen the movie "Full Metal Jacket" or you would have understood the joke.
Troll? LMAO. I've been here a long time.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:02 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Everybody knows Pvt. Pyle from FMJ... He has nothing to do with Transexual changes, the army wasn't his place, basic training broke him and he shot himself... This has nothing to do with the thread neither is he to be used as a joke.

www.thestar.com...

Thats my cousin, 3 tours in Afghanistan broke him, he carried his best friend with both legs cut by a IED and watched him die... Came back and shot himself recently like Pyle... Do you have other jokes to make about military suicide?

Stick to the thread, bring something intelligent to it or be quiet while others do...
edit on 28-7-2017 by _R4t_ because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:11 AM
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a reply to: _R4t_

You're the one who said flawless victory.



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:13 AM
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originally posted by: Artye
I am PRO LGBT, I have a lesbian sister who I love dearly.

Let me give you a hypothetical based on Truth....

I wanted to join the military. I was rejected at MEPS for being under weight. Mind you I scored in the top 97%(Meaning I could Specialize in ANY field I wanted. I personally Wanted to be a combat Medic.

I have 3 friends who are in the military are their platoon is operating at under 70%

Lets say I did get accepted and signed a 4 year contract. I made it through basic training., I made it through my 9 months of Combat med training. A Whole Year I was paid to train and expected to join a platoon and do some super cool and awesome stuff like save their lives. I decide 'Hey I want to be a girl'...I have surgery. I become a Girl. I now have to go through 2 years(Conservative) of post operation treatment, Hormones, Psychological treatment. More surgery to adjust my physical appearance. Im now 3 out of 4 years into my contract

The Platoon I was assigned too and who was waiting for that full year for me to join, get shipped off at under operation capacity. They are going into a non combative zone, which is already under control. 2 Weeks into their tour, they run into a bunch of rebels while on patrol and all die cause, I wasnt there and they went without their medic. 10 USA Soldiers were lost to an army of 50 rebels, they took out 47 of them first though!

How is this good for a country with super high standards and a military power FEARED. How is that good cause we let a would be transgender into our military? When they could have taken me in the first place and just fed me more. I would have given them a full 4 years and 5 out of 10 people would still be alive cause I had the training to save them? Where is my Storm of people getting pissed off cause they wouldn't take me cause I was under weight?


First off... you seem to dive head first into your imagined scenario. That didn't happen. Why did the military not replace the medic? If the military is understaffed why can they afford to turn down potential physically capable personnel.

You failed the physical requirements, the transgender individual didn't.

Why are you singling out a transgender individual, surely any military personnel that takes significant time out of their contract for surgical purposes is an issue?

Why are YOU singling out a transgender individual in your imagined scenario and then casting it over the entire population of transgender individuals?

Why not have stricter rules on access to surgical procedures rather than ban a group of out fear and ill-formed reasoning?



posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 02:16 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: SudoNim
How much of the budget does it cost? Why do you assume all transgender soldiers... or transgender people in any role of the military would require this therapy or funds for a sex change.
...


Well, first of all viagra is a drug that is given for "erectile dysfunction" which is a physical problem.

Being transgender is a "mental disorder" and not a real physical condition because it is in the minds of transgender folk.

I have no idea how much it would cost, but looking online this is what I found in a transgender website.


...
Hormone Therapy: $1,500/Year
...
Gender Reassignment Surgery: $30,000-Plus
...
Facial Feminization Surgery: $25,000-$60,000
...
Breast Augmentation: $5,000-$10,000
...

www.teenvogue.com...

So it can cost $61,500 to well over $71,500 U.S.D. per transgender person that wants to transition.

That's not mentioning the fact that many transgenders who decide to go through such operations have changed their minds and then they have even more psychological problems which the military would have to pay for.



...
Conclusions

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



So every transgender member of the military costs this much do they?

Or is it... because one might we need to ban them all?
Whereas one solider gets limp d1ck and your happy for the whole platoon to grab a handful of viagra.

Your whole reasoning is out of FEAR, because an individual (any individual) can get medical costs through the Military. You are then wrongly assuming that all transgender individuals will ask for it so you want them all banned.




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