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DoD Spends $85 million a year on Viagra. But Trans people are the problem?

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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Again, agreed. The only reason I'm in this thread is to correct the OP's spin that limp dongs are some hugely expensive thing for the military (not talking about retirees), thanks to selective quotation.

My beef with any service members' medical issues is mission readiness, not financial.




posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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How many people join the military to get good deals on Viagra?
Probably not many.
How many trans will join with the sole intention of getting help with their surgery and hormones?
I'd say more than a few.

Not to mention, not trying to be mean either, but trans people, statistically, have an elevated rate of mental health issues than the rest of the population. Add that with some PTSD and you have a whole bag of problems.
(Or an easy out of the military, with all the benefits and none of the risk)

Good decision by the prez. A tough call, but the right one, I'd say



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: Painterz


Perhaps the increase in the number of RAPES in the military is tied to VIAGRA?

Does it make you hornier?



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: Painterz

""A 2016 RAND Corporation study showed that of the approximately 1.3 million people who are considered active-duty members of the military in 2014, about 2,450 of them are transgender, making up about just 0.1-0.5 percent of the active-duty military. In addition, it’s estimated that about 1,510 transgender people serve in the Selected Reserve.

As far as future estimates, the study predicted that about 40-190 military personnel would seek gender transition per year, 30-140 would seek hormone therapy per year and 25-130 would seek actual surgical treatment a year.""


heavy.com...

We're talking really small numbers here, folks. More military people die from suicide than seek gender transition. Learning why and preventing suicides where the focus should be.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: Painterz

I don't have a problem with troops getting treatment for erectile dysfunction. I also don't have a problem with trans people serving in the military.

I do however believe that those seeking gender reassignment should do so before or after serving saving perhaps career military personnel as this could impose an undue burden. For the record, I would feel the same for any number of other procedures that would impact readiness for a substantial amount of time.

Somehow I don't think that's really the issue here though.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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It should be pointed out that corrective surgeries are performed for non-sexual reasons too. The military will pay for corrective eye surgery even in cases where it isn't necessary for the soldier to have 20/20 vision to perform (really only needed as a pilot).



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Exactly. They don't mind collecting taxes from transgender citizens. They also don't mind spending that tax money on non-transgender health issues. But once transgender citizens need some of those taxes allocated to transgender health issues, now it's a problem.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Painterz

Yea! Let the paraplegics in and give them jobs as truck drivers, let the blind in and give them an F16 to fly!
Don't discriminate, love!

This is about equality and feelings not national security!

Are you suggesting that transgenders are physically incapable of performing military duties with these analogies or something?



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: Painterz
You give us expense on Viagra ?, what's the correlation with maybe TP or Hemorroids Cream ?
how about an actual yearly medical cost per normal/tranny ?



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 03:27 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

Somehow I don't think that's really the issue here though.

The OP is trying to bait conservatives into contradicting themselves.

That is the issue here, and most of us can see right through it.




posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: NthOther

I was speaking more broadly. As in the President's Twitter announcement that trans people would not be permitted to serve in the military.

Given the blanket application to all trans people, including those who have already undergone gender reassignment (expect a swift injunction followed by it being kicked up to SCOTUS), it seems apparent that this is about far more than issues of readiness or even the cost of the procedures.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: Painterz

Wait till the bill comes in for gender reassignment surgery, mental evaluations, hormones and the meds...We could give every man on earth an erection for the price all that's gonna cost!!



wrong.

the military spends about 84 million on erectile dysfunctions. they spend 8 million on gender transition and treatments. that's 10 times less...

also, only about 30% of transgender elect for surgery, which I agree should be done before or after enlisting.

this is all about trumpy making the Christian contingent happy..
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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

This may be the first time I have ever agreed with you on anything on here.


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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
It should be pointed out that corrective surgeries are performed for non-sexual reasons too. The military will pay for corrective eye surgery even in cases where it isn't necessary for the soldier to have 20/20 vision to perform (really only needed as a pilot).


they also pay for glasses and contact, where if you get corrective surgery, you are saving them money in the long run. But asking them to pay for sex change and putting yourself out of service for that time, then asking them to accommodate your new gender seems like an awful lot to ask when there are plenty of others who don't need all that attention. Plus you have the mental illness/PTSD aspect of the trans person. I couldn't imagine that life for them was easy and didn't offer quite a few mental challenges. Best leave the soldiering to soldiers.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Painterz

Yea! Let the paraplegics in and give them jobs as truck drivers, let the blind in and give them an F16 to fly!
Don't discriminate, love!

This is about equality and feelings not national security!

Are you suggesting that transgenders are physically incapable of performing military duties with these analogies or something?


Yes. if they are in the hospital and recovering from gender reassignment surgery, they are 100% not able to do their jobs. Plus they would not be able to live as they had prior to the surgery. They would need new uniforms, new housing, more medications, plus with the complications due to surgery, they may not ever make it back to combat readiness. Nothing to do with hate, just facts and reality.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: peter_kandra

Yep.


The Military Times says that while some studies have found ED has become a growing health problem for service members in the last few years,it turns out that less than 10 percent of these documented prescriptions were actually for the troops. The rest went to retirees or family members covered by military health plans.


It's an unnecessary expense that shouldn't be covered. I sure don't want my tax dollars going towards it. Save us a ton of money.


You determine what's medically necessary now?


Having great sex for hours at a time when you're retired is no more medically necessary than taking hormones when you have gender dysphoria.


But the wives and girlfriends benefit from it and it leads to happier relationships.

Why are you anti-woman? Don't want them having a quality sex life? Shameful.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 03:49 PM
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I don't think we should be arming a group of people with a 45% rate of attempted suicide.

Transgender people are not likely to be well received and that would mess with unit cohesion. They may not be readily deplorable. They may not be able to meet fitness requirements.

Regardless of your feelings on transgender people, I'm amazed anyone thinks having them in the military is a good idea. Not just because of the cost.

Isn't being transgender a chronic medical condition? Isn't that something the military doesn't like in combat ready troops?

They can bar you for ADHD or having asthma when you were younger, but people are mad about this?

ETA I saw the typo, I think it should stay

Some of us don't type well on our iPad
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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: knoxie

originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: Painterz

Wait till the bill comes in for gender reassignment surgery, mental evaluations, hormones and the meds...We could give every man on earth an erection for the price all that's gonna cost!!



wrong.

the military spends about 84 million on erectile dysfunctions. they spend 8 million on gender transition and treatments. that's 10 times less...

also, only about 30% of transgender elect for surgery, which I agree should be done before or after enlisting.

this is all about trumpy making the Christian contingent happy..


is that for active duty or retired military? I would hate for you to be spreading misinformation.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Painterz

I don't have a problem with troops getting treatment for erectile dysfunction. I also don't have a problem with trans people serving in the military.

I do however believe that those seeking gender reassignment should do so before or after serving saving perhaps career military personnel as this could impose an undue burden. For the record, I would feel the same for any number of other procedures that would impact readiness for a substantial amount of time.

Somehow I don't think that's really the issue here though.



This is kind of where I'm at on the issue. It would have been faaaar less discriminatory to say "Hey, trans folk are fine and you'll get healthcare like every other soldier but no invasive surgeries until afterwards". But no... logical compromises isn't Trump's forte.

Honestly, I don't even know how often that actually happens, if at all. When I support a trans person's rights to join the military, I assumed it would be a no-brainer that they wouldn't be allowed to have surgeries during active duty. Trans people who elect to have surgeries are minuscule compared to the percentage who don't so I'm confused why a simple addendum couldn't have been reached.

I mean... we pay for boners, why not pay for life-saving hormone treatment (that is a fraction of the cost of military wood).



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: network dude


there are about 15,000 transgender in the military, out of 1.36 million.

only 33% of those will likely do elective surgery... I would think most would transition before or after enlisting.

trump claiming his decision was based on cost is absurd, especially considering how much is spent on limp dick.




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