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Trump Tweets NO Transgender in Military

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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:17 PM
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a reply to: burgerbuddy


Not just "anyone" can buy guns.

Who is disallowed?


Now if you said "anyone" can vote, that would be closer.

Who is disallowed?

I think that people should be vetted and qualified for both




posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't think it is...

Isn't it unconstitutional to discriminate for that reason???

Sex, age, race, religion and sexual orientation???



originally posted by: Aazadan
I just said the same thing (and we're now 45 pages in, so this is super buried) but I imagine the counter argument will be made by lawyers for this, that sex isn't gender. Sex is only male or female... totally binary. It's gender, not sex that is fluid, and there is no intent in the law to protect based on gender, only on sex.

Basically, it hinges on if gender and sex are the same thing.


No, the argument is that the US Military is not a private employer and is not subject to the regulations placed on private business by government. They can and do discriminate on a variety of criteria.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: MortonBunkum




hmmmmm I really don't understand Americans


Really, they don't have Americans in the Midwest?



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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Here's more food for thought.

www.thebalance.com...

Updated July 18, 2017

Among other things:


Other History of Medical Disorders That Are Disqualifying
Any history of suicidal behavior, that includes discussions, gestures, or the actual attempt is disqualifying. A history of self-mutilation is also disqualifying.

Anxiety issues, either current or historical, or panic, agoraphobia, social phobia, simple phobias, obsessive-compulsive disorders, other acute reactions to stress, and posttraumatic stress are disqualifying for entry into the service.

Any history or current disorder of being dissociative, bouts of hysteria, or de-personalization are disqualifying.

Any history or current somatoform disorders, including, but not limited to hypochondriasis or chronic pain disorder, are disqualifying.

Any history or current psychosexual conditions, including, but not limited to transsexualism, exhibitionism, transvestism, voyeurism, and other paraphilias, are disqualifying.

Any history or current issue with alcohol dependence, drug dependence , alcohol abuse, or other drug abuse is disqualifying.


"Disqualifying" suggests they are not automatically denied, but enough of them will lead to a person not being allowed to enlist.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:31 PM
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transgendered people can still serve.

They just won't be able to express their transgenderism during their term of service.

In the 80's we knew of gay folks within our units.

They did their job, weren't open about it, performed with duty, pride and honor.


Just another way of looking at it.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


Back in the closet with you!


There are people in the heartland who aren't comfortable with the thought of YOU serving while they drink and snort meth until the Viagra kicks in.

This is a dog whistle to his base. It will be overturned, continuously, and he will use that to whine about how unfair it all is. Either way, it will distract the media away from the rest of his "issues."


Meanwhile, the only real issue is jobs/work. Not LGBT. Not "terror." Not "libtards." Hint: the U.S. is on track to beat last years record for jobs lost to automation and foreign labor (again).



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Snarl

I've not seen a solid number either. 1000 to 15000 is what I found from a brief search.


I don't think you could tell without x-rays.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: EchoesInTime

Good stuff.. Healthcare should cover health, not a person wanting tits or a fake d1ck or vagina. If that is the case I want some fake abs and fake biceps.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: 0zzymand0s

Look, not saying I like it.

But I'm trying to look at this pragmatically.

They can still serve, if joining the military is that important to them.

They just can't advertise.

*shrugs*

I've said my piece on the subject. Too old and have done my time anyway.

Things change.

Crazy world. I don't recognize it any more.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: carewemust
If a Transgender person visits a military recruiting office to enlist, how can they tell that he/she is Transgender?


Same way they can tell if they are gay or not.


See! It's all guesswork. You can't look at a man or woman and tell FOR SURE that they are gay, or have had a change of sex.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
This is a list of Medical conditions that can cause you to not be able to enlist.

www.military.com...

These are the ones 'sexual' or gender based

Genitalia
b. Male genitalia.

(6) Penis, amputation of, if the resulting stump is insufficient to permit normal micturition.

So, I guess having 'BIG BALLS' does not help...



How do you micturition with a stump penis?


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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 08:57 PM
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Hell, you can't join the military if you have a nut allergy because they can't make accommodations for you with the food.

Now think about how small the minority is of transgender people wanting to join the military and think of the large amount of accommodations they would need to make for such a small group. (Living arrangements, transition medication, where does someone whose pronouns are XER go to?)

Again, the military isn't a social experiment.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

*snip*

No, the argument is that the US Military is not a private employer and is not subject to the regulations placed on private business by government. They can and do discriminate on a variety of criteria.

As I am understanding it, the military services are covered under Title 10 of the United States Code, not ADA (or misc other labor laws):
uscode.house.gov - OLRC Home...

So they might then discriminate based on disability? But--and this is important--are homosexuals or transgenders (or whatever) disabled? I know homosexuals aren't, but I'm not sure of their stance on transgenders.
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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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I am a female but have always felt that I should have been born a male. That is what makes one transgender. ... A re-assignment surgery does not. I served in the military back in the 'Do not Tell' period when they they let people like me serve. I feel I have done a service to my country fighting over seas, but yet I read message boards like these and I often fell like I am slapped in the face. I have a tough skin so you can call me 'Trash' a 'Gender Bender', 'Lesbo', 'Rug Cruncher' etc ... I did however serve and offered my life to protect my country ... Have You? Believe me I have flown places, dropped bombs (some which I regret but was under millitary orders to do so so I did) ... Again you get on a site like this filled with so much hatred. Once in a while I get a 'Thank You' message from a neighbour who thanks me for helping out our country and keeping it safe. ... And That is why I chose to serve.



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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 09:26 PM
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originally posted by: links234

After consultation with my Generals...


My Generals. Mine. MY Generals.

Why does he refer to our Generals as his? The men and women who swore an oath to the Constitution and the United States are not his property or personal military force. He is not CEO of America, he is the President of the United States.

He may be Commander in Chief but that doesn't make the military his. They are our military not his.

Furthermore, on topic; Whoever he consulted with he didn't even tell them that he was going to make this announcement:

Pentagon and Trump don't appear coordinated on military transgender ban

Pentago n 'worried Trump was going to declare war on North Korea' during today's tweets about military


Um, didn't Obama 86 scores of generals in advance of 2016?



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 09:27 PM
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If they are transgender, they could go hush hush and join secretly.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 09:30 PM
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originally posted by: FenderTwin
. . . And That is why I chose to serve.


I didn't serve for the thanks. I served because I chose to.

But thanks for your service.




posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 09:32 PM
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BTW, transgender has nothing to do with sex. Federer can one day wake up and consider himself a female. That makes him transgender. Still not allowed to play on the women's tour. Transsexual, on the other hand, are people who undergo sex change operations. A transgender can change his or her gender once every day. No one's stopping them. There is no way to tell what gender someone considers himself or herself as.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


Thanks, Anytime.





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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 09:35 PM
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a reply to: FenderTwin

hua.



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