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Trump Tweets NO Transgender in Military

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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: EchoesInTime

Apologies if this has been said already, but it is apparent that the OP is not among the toughest, strongest, or most mentally prepared if he believes that the transgender issue is as simplistic as not being able to decide if one wants to be a boy or a girl.




posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: neo96



Wasn't any caveman running around worried about their appearance.


Then why did they eventually cover themselves with pelts and such?



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: introvert

Curious, the definition centers entirely on feels while the entire argument used to defend transexuals as "normal and scientifically explainable" tries desperately to distance the disorder from the sufferer's feels.


Ok. What's your point?

The emotions one may feel about their situation is not necessarily relevant when trying to defend the situation they are in.

Should we consider the emotions of those in a situation in which they need viagra, or should we defend the normalcy and scientific reasons for their situation?


Is transgender dysphoria your shining example of emotional stability, then?

Or shouldn't people with emotional instability (especially the sorts that mere discipline cant correct) be prime targets of exclusion? Yes, that EVIL E Word EXCLUSION! AHHHHH!



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: neo96



Wasn't any caveman running around worried about their appearance.


Then why did they eventually cover themselves with pelts and such?


prevention of hypothermia comes to mind...



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: introvert

So they didnt get their junk yanked off duh!




posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:21 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: introvert
Should we consider the emotions of those in a situation in which they need viagra, or should we defend the normalcy and scientific reasons for their situation?


What in the blue hell does that have to do with gender identity disorders? If erectile dysfunction stems from mental health issues, then the sufferer should and likely would be discharged from the military. Not sure where you're going with this.


Nothing, except that I used it as an example to show that the emotions of the person undergoing a certain "condition" can be separated from the defense of how their "condition" is normal or scientifically explainable.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

The only confused people here are those trying to tell people 2+2=5.

One sex can't turn themselves in to the opposite.

Doesn't work.

Different heart location. Different other body parts.

Different genetics disposition.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss



Is transgender dysphoria your shining example of emotional stability, then?


I did not say that.



Or shouldn't people with emotional instability (especially the sorts that mere discipline cant correct) be prime targets of exclusion? Yes, that EVIL E Word EXCLUSION! AHHHHH!


You didn't read the link I posted.

To say it is emotional instability shows you know very little about the issue.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: neo96



Wasn't any caveman running around worried about their appearance.


Then why did they eventually cover themselves with pelts and such?


prevention of hypothermia comes to mind...


Not wanting to lose their private parts to gang green is another.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: underwerks

perhaps you could explain your post.

I was asking what are people's objections to trans people serving in noncombatant roles, since all everyone is talking about is front line combat.

I never once said I think trans people should be pigeonholed into any certain areas of service, you're the one who brought that up in a feeble attempt to attack me.

I was only wondering about other people's rationale.



Sex change operation and drug costs.
They are unable to serve in any capacity if they want to go through that. Those that have already been through it - too risky to let them.

Transgender doesn't always mean having gender reassignment surgery or being on special drugs.

In fact, most transgenders don't have reassignment surgery. Or use hormones. What about them?


So your asking if someone can just dress up like a woman?? Been happening in the military since the dawn of time. They just did it when not working . However a transvestite is not a Transgender



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: neo96



Wasn't any caveman running around worried about their appearance.


Then why did they eventually cover themselves with pelts and such?


prevention of hypothermia comes to mind...


Ok. How about beads? Pieces they put in their hair?

Point is, man has always been concerned about their appearances.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: introvert

You're confusing vanity with rebellion against biology.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: neo96

You are severely ill-informed and uneducated.

This kind of thinking will drag America back into the dark ages, what a horrible place to be right now.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: SudoNim
a reply to: neo96

You are severely ill-informed and uneducated.

This kind of thinking will drag America back into the dark ages, what a horrible place to be right now.


Stating that cavemen didn't want to suffer gangrenous gonads consists of the "dark ages" now? Perspective; your lack of it is amusing to me.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:27 PM
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You are severely ill-informed and uneducated.


Someone is.

Begin with skeletal structure, then move on to other organs.

But hey who cares about SCIENCE.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: introvert

You're confusing vanity with rebellion against biology.


No. I'm refuting the assertion made by another member about cavemen not worried about their appearances.

Biology had nothing to do with my statement.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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As someone who was in the military for eight years, I also think this is a good idea, to avoid all the problems that come along with TG lifestyle.

Unit cohesion - one has no idea unless in the military how important this is. What happens when one individual out of eight has to go scout in a very dangerous operation, and the TG person is chosen. A radio call is made by that person that they're hit, and need help, and the unit isn't super excited about risking their life to help said person (especially if they've been problematic with distracting issues already).

Or if they do get back, but accuse the whole unit of not trying hard to help, only because they're TG.

How about getting surgery through military hospitals, and then something goes wrong, like an infection. They sue the military for $20mil, and how will your fellow troopers view your value as a soldier in combat? There's "ideal ways of working with fellow soldiers" and then reality. Your ass might get left behind in an uncomfortable situation.

What if a TG person is promoted to a command position, and orders a group of men to do a certain dangerous job, and they won't do it? I'm not saying this will happen, but this is what could happen. In Vietnam, when new officers went in the field with experienced enlisted men, if they started to make dangerous commands, it was quite possible that they would be fragged, and that is a survival action, not just being a bad soldier.

The ongoing list of problems that military life rather 'permanently' have will make operations difficult for all if the TG community is openly working in the military. What if you aren't promoted, but have fully qualified to be promoted, and you know it's because you're TG? That can get so complicated. What if you are told to scout an area with an openly TG person, and you both have to sleep together in a foxhole? What if the TG person tries to cuddle with you to survive freezing? Do you tell them to get the f*** off you? Now how do these two people feel about their mission?

It's not that the military hates TG people. It's that the military's most basic functions will be affected by the lifestyle problems that come up with being TG. Housing, clothing, choosing missions, promotion - all are affected.

The civilian world is vastly more flexible to deal with this. The military is not.

Now, if a person keeps it to themselves, that's another thing. But it's hard to hide, that's for sure.

I don't know what it's like in the military now, but when I was in, there was a constant hum of gay jokes, and scorn for anyone or any idea of being gay. I hope that's gotten better, but I blatantly remember how homophobic it was, and quite openly.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

If it was the dark ages we would have already clubbed Trump critics months ago and been done with it.




posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: SudoNim

it seems (in many respects) that some folks are still stuck there



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
But hey who cares about SCIENCE.


Just had a thought here... maybe we should start fighting fire with fire and call out these "Biology Deniers" for disagreeing with over a century of scientific consensus that proved XY is male and XX is female.



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