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Trump Tweets NO Transgender in Military

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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: neo96




I put on a dress doesn't make me a 'woman'.


No but damn you still look sexy.
😁




posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert




And this decision plays right in to the political clusterphuck. Freedom and democracy would say that we let people serve that are willing to do so.


Seriously ?

The US military isn't a 'democracy'.

They don't vote on anything.

Command says jump. They jump.

Period.


I did not say the military is a democracy.

I was talking about society in general in which the military is populated.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: Gandalf77
a reply to: queenofswords

It's not "common sense" at all; it's more right-wing bigotry.
If someone can do the job, we should let them.


Explain how someone facing these kinds of complications are fit to be freaking soldiers:


Sex Reassignment Surgery: When Things Go Wrong
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My Surgeon Doesn't Know How to Fix It
Then, seemingly, neither does anyone else. My SRS surgeon attempted to fix the two-inch tear in my colon while I was still there, the repair failed in less than twelve hours. Next, a colon-rectal surgeon was found in the nearest large city and brought in to look at me. He aborted his attempt to repair the defect and instead, performed a full colostomy.

I flew home to Michigan with a bag attached to my abdomen and thick pads between my legs to soak up the blood.

A local colon-rectal surgeon, persuaded to see me by my primary care physician, was upbeat. Each time I went into surgery with him he would encourage me, saying "this time we'll get it". Coming out of surgery, my spouse Cindy would hear from him how well it went and that he was "optimistic this time" the closure would take and a new defect would not open up.

Another surgeon who has had some success with other fistula patients seemed promising, but eight months later, under the pressure of a barium test, that repair too, failed.

I have had stitch-overs, mucosal flap advancements, and pelvic floor muscle mobilization; each new approach diminishes what viable tissue I have for another attempt. I have tried to go into every surgery with a realistic outlook; multiple failures however, become difficult to bear.

Still, I am one of the fortunate ones with this complication; I stand a chance, albeit small, for an eventually favorable outcome. Many transwoman are not able to find a colon-rectal surgeon who is willing to work on a transperson, much less "someone else's problem", nor do all of us have the means.

Even if you are fortunate enough to locate a doctor--and in my case, privileged to have insurance and financial means to cover remedial procedures, then there is still only a slim chance for alleviation of this humiliating and debilitating condition. One surgeon, out of frustration no doubt, finally washed his hands of me saying, "well, you did this to yourself".



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: TheTory

Thanks for the link. It seems the biggest hurdle is the moral outrage from people who don't agree with the lifestyle choices of transgenders.


Did you deliberately completely skip past all that materials I linked in over the past several pages about the health complications related to the surgical procedures, or did you do it subconsciously?


Did you miss my links that show only 33% of transgenders have reassignment surgery?

A lot of the misinformation being spread by people such as yourself stems from a misunderstanding of what transgender actually means.

Most of the time surgery isn't part of being transgender.
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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: neo96

For that matter, unless and until science figures out how to alter chromosome pairings in an already existing living human body, no amount of surgery in the world is going to make a man a woman any more than me stitching a brown bear hide to my back will make me a grizzly bear.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:48 PM
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I did not say the military is a democracy.


So what ?

And what do SJWS do when they come back from war ?

Then BAN them from owning machine guns.

So what the hell ever.

Freedom part time right.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: Gandalf77

I'm sorry, but that's a horrible argument. Comparing this situation with the developmentally disabled is ridiculous.
If anyone in the LGBT community passes our military's standards and tests and is qualified/capable to serve, we should let them. It's just that simple. The rest is just thinly-veiled, right-wing bigotry.



Okay. Now lets say that Obama mandated the military rubber stamp trans people past all the normal psychological / physical standards in order to specially cater to them, may that be rolled back to MILSPEC now?



Like with the kindergarten transgender restrooms things, this whole ordeal strikes me as a pre-emptive move to overkill a measure in such an absurdly unreasonable way that it would naturally be undone, which would prove politically damaging to whomever did it. And in the end it will serve partisan divisiveness interests, while ultimately throwing to the people it claimed to help under the bus as pawns. But now of course Obama the saint would never do anything like that. Never in a million years. And IO thought he was supposedly the most intelligent POTUS ever. In reality either he was a total moron, or he'd played the trans people like tools to achieve his political divisiveness ends.
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posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: neo96

For that matter, unless and until science figures out how to alter chromosome pairings in an already existing living human body, no amount of surgery in the world is going to make a man a woman any more than me stitching a brown bear hide to my back will make me a grizzly bear.


Yup




posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:51 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: neo96

For that matter, unless and until science figures out how to alter chromosome pairings in an already existing living human body, no amount of surgery in the world is going to make a man a woman any more than me stitching a brown bear hide to my back will make me a grizzly bear.


But in the 21st century!

Gender is determined by feelings.

Eff the science.


Until it comes to GMOS then it's all about the organic.

Organic people ?

Doesn't matter.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Anyone can face complications from surgery--regardless of the kind of surgery.
And yes, those complications could keep one from being able to do their job--military or civilian.
Are you suggesting that every transgender person in the military is somehow subject to these complications?



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Of course feelings.

Genetics are transphobic and need to be banned!


Ban DNA now!



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: neo96

But the WATER ... the water!!! It's turning the frogs GAY!!!

Alex Jones SAID SO!!!



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:54 PM
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apparently the military spends 10 times more on erectile dysfunction than gender issues. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

TEN TIMES!!!



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:55 PM
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Ffs people why do you all need someone to hate all the time is your own lives that sad you have to hate on some? Heck why do they scare you so much? just live and let live and stop being such knobs.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:55 PM
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originally posted by: Madwookie
a reply to: neo96

Of course feelings.

Genetics are transphobic and need to be banned!


Ban DNA now!


The transgender issue.

More proof we live under an idiocracy.

Like all political issues they are 100% made the hell up.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: knoxie
apparently the military spends 10 times more on erectile dysfunction than gender issues. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

TEN TIMES!!!

You mean we are paying them to be stiff?



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:58 PM
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So what ?


So what? Well, if you are going to respond to me you may want to respond to something I actually said.



And what do SJWS do when they come back from war ? Then BAN them from owning machine guns. So what the hell ever. Freedom part time right.


Sure.

It seems you are already going off the reservation on one of your tangents.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 01:59 PM
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I posted a bunch of facts, and then asked if you guys would give middle ground on no paid for surgeries.

Then you chose to ignore all that, post as if it never happened, avoid answering my question on compromise, assert again they're fit for the job while pretending that their complications dont make them unfit for combat, and now that you're finally addressing me you're deflecting with this 'only so many get surgery' thing.


You guys always want to avoid me, and then smite me when you do acknowledge me. The funny thing to me is, if you weren't all always so unwilling to compromise in your pigheadedness, on so many of these instances you could see that I'm ultimately showing you how you could truly 'win' at all this stuff. But since your team is never willing to compromise, and its all just about running roughshaw over the other team, generally with pure demagoguery, where all challengers are to be treated as the same creature, these things always just play out the same. And at the same time you almost make me want to be a conservative. Sometimes its really as if you guys are even out to push everyone into their camp.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: DanteGaland
a reply to: neo96

But the WATER ... the water!!! It's turning the frogs GAY!!!

Alex Jones SAID SO!!!



Quit acting like that's baseless:
Significant Sperm Count decline among western men

That's from last night. Now that you've been 'forced' to acknowledge it what will you do?



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 02:04 PM
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According to some figures being thrown around the military spends more on Viagra than on reassignment surgery or hormone replacement therapies.
Wow.
More on men who just can't perform.



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