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Senate Holds Obamacare Healthcare Repeal Vote: Live

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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
Medicare will be on the chopping block soon enough. Then the tide will turn.




2018: Democrats ride a "blue wave" and take back the House and Senate


^^ THAT'S what happens when you PISS OFF the "little people" for a TAX CUT for the wealthiest among us.




posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

I have been saying for a long time now these people need replaced. Every 2 years vote for new names replace these evil pricks



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

There are plenty of old people who don't like to be taxed to pay for other people's medicare.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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Senate Holds Obamacare Healthcare Repeal Vote

It wasn't repealed. I suppose it indicates they are still trying.


The next step is floor debate on the legislation to overhaul the Affordable Care Act even though there aren't any guarantees the votes are there to eventually pass it -- and it's unclear what a final bill will look like.

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Next up would be a vote on a bill repealing large swaths of the Affordable Care Act with a two-year delay, which Senators could use to work out a replacement. It’s identical to a repeal bill passed by both chambers of Congress in 2015, which then-President Barack Obama vetoed.

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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: olaru12

There are plenty of old people who don't like to be taxed to pay for other people's medicare.


You need to look at current American demographics. The old people are now the poor people; Even the mention of cutting Medicare has the GOP in fear.

The Democrats are doing a happy dance. The Republicans just handed them the winning lottery ticket for 18.
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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: DanteGaland

objectively speaking as an independent/libertarian i doubt there will be a blue wave considering how congress shifted to the right after obamacare was passed, as in most voters did not actually want obamacare; also consider that a larger far more conservative generation will be of voting age in 2018...

the voice of our more liberal generation will be severely weakened after 2018 and from what i have observed this new generation does not seem to like or trust the older generations very much...

america is going to change severely really soon and most liberals will really hate the new direction we are going to be heading.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: roadgravel

The thing is even if they voted to repeal, anything they passed to replace the ACA would have to be pretty similar. It took years for the ACA to actually be implemented after getting passed.

So not only would a replacement have to be devised and passed in two years it would also have to easily exist within the existing framework. Otherwise a lot of people are going to get screwed and the GOP will go down in a blaze.
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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

A politician's job is the ensure the middle class dominates to maintain stability in society. Even if every old person is a poor person, a politician's job is to reduce the size of the poor population.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

no not really, they exist to create laws that benefit the country the most and to balance out other branches.
they represent us but they can ignore us if they need to..if it's what is best for the country, that's why the constitution was created; to limit what the government can do when executing their duty to the law.

when being sworn into office politicians don't swear to the people or to a class of people, they swear to the law.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

If they want to reduce the cost of health care they could adjust premiums based on more detailed experience reporting.
By creating more categories of risk pools they would reward "healthy lifestyles" or apply government subsidy for those that are living on limited pensions or even adjust taxes on industries that effect health claims. Claims experience modeling is now a much more scientific process. Trump tweets and has been pro geek in the past maybe we should help?

That would be the complete opposite of the tribal vote we saw today.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 06:05 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: carewemust

and if one doesn't live in a state that expanded medicaid??




The people in 18 states, like Texas, that have not expanded medicaid would not notice a difference regardless of what bill passes or does not pass.

The United States government should you simply allow everybody who wants to have Medicare or Medicaid to have it. Everyone else can buy a free-market private insurance plan. It is so simple I don't know why they don't think of it.

Medicare would be between 300 and $600 a month per person. Medicaid would be free for those that cannot afford Medicare. It's a no-brainer.

Except those over 65 would keep the rates they have.

Actually, I would throw everyone NOT 65 and over off Medicare.

Put everyone else on Medicaid....charge 200-600 per month depending on income. And it would cover 75% ....like Medicare covers 80%.
Allow supplemental insurance....to pick up the difference.

The poor would be on Medicaid like they are now....it would be free.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 06:10 PM
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originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: DanteGaland


america is going to change severely really soon and most liberals will really hate the new direction we are going to be heading.




What do you think that will be?

That almost sounds like a threat....
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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 09:54 PM
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Senate votes 57-43 against the first proposal to repeal and replace.

www.kcrg.com...



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

umm... ya, it's gonna be quite hard to have a middle class if everyone is spending all their extra money on helping their poor parents financially also.. not to mention, if those poor parents can't afford the nursing home care they need and end up having to be cared for by their kids??



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 05:03 PM
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Senate voted against repeal Obamacare without replace 55 to 45.

www.cnn.com...



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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Senate Republicans aim to chop off Obama's 1 leg out of 3. The individual mandate which forces people to buy Obamacare or else pay a fine.

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posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Which would also cut off funding for the Preexisting Condition Clause. So either they'll also have to get rid of a part of the ACA that pretty much everyone agrees is good (the Preexisting Condition Clause) or everyone can expect to see their premiums skyrocket. Of course that doesn't matter the GOP. It makes them look good to their constituency who won't feel the effects of this dumb move until after reelection.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Has nothing to do with preconditions. The individual mandate forces people to buy insurance or else pay a fine. That is draconian. Not everyone wants to buy health insurance.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

The reason the Individual Mandate is in there is because the insurance companies needed a way to recoup the losses they would experience by covering people with preexisting conditions and charging them a reasonable premium. Without that money coming in the insurance companies will be forced to jack up the premiums to compensate for that loss of guaranteed income.



posted on Jul, 27 2017 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Gee. I guess the homeless also ask for million dollar mansions. There isn't unlimited resources to give everyone what everyone wants. This is reality. But one thing is for sure. Mandates is a no no in this day and age of freedom.



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