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originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: abeverage
What???
You can't be serious. You said:
Sorry but no...I love science truly, but this is hardly scientific...
With all due respect, this is just an ASININE statement.
This is Science. Scientist like the man in the video take time recreating these tools. This is how they know how modern an advanced things were when the Cro-Magnon appeared.
Scientist reverse engineer these things to see how long it takes them to make these tools and weapons. To say this isn't science is just LUDICROUS as Mike Tyson would say.
This finding by a team of anthropologists provides an important insight into a defining moment in our ancestors’ development, when early humans evolved from hunters who killed at close-quarters to sophisticated killers capable of bringing down large beasts from a distance.
The first direct evidence of thrown spears dates back to about 19,000 years ago. That is the age of the first known atlatl, or spear thrower – a device that allows a long, flexible dart to be thrown accurately at a range of 35 metres or more. Stone points that look like they were designed to be used with thrown spears date back to about 35,000 years ago.
But Steven Churchill at Duke University in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, thinks this reasoning is flawed. A two-handed spear thrust will put far more stress on the dominant arm holding the back end of the spear than the front arm, he says. This would explain the differences in strength found in fossil bones.
To test this idea, Churchill and his colleagues Daniel Schmitt and William Hylander initially measured the dimensions of a number of Neanderthal humerus (upper arm) bones. This showed they are thicker front to back than side to side, which is what would be expected if the bones had adapted to cope with an asymmetric force.
Later humans who were known to have used spears had rounder humeri, which suggests that throwing a spear distributes force relatively evenly along the bones.
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: Harte
Here's a suggestion.
When you're anal-retentive about the use of the word Cro-Magnon on a message board about Aliens, you look kind of silly and it's obvious you can't debate the issue.
Just because Cro-Magnons are commonly called Homo Sapiens Sapiens or European early modern humans today doesn't invalidate the years and years of research when they were called Cro-Magnon.
originally posted by: neoholographicThe fact that you can't debate the issue and you're debating semantics just shows you have no argument.
originally posted by: neoholographicCro-Magnons is still used in popular culture and I'm on a message board, not debating a Professor. It's a difference in name only. So when you say:
If you're trying to find out more about this particular subject, don't bother with any video or site that talks about or refers to the emergence of Cro Magnon man.
That's just a flat out lie!
originally posted by: neoholographicThere's over 100 years of Research where the term Cro-Magnon was used. Why would science throw out all of that research because of Semantics? That's just nonsense.
originally posted by: neoholographicIf we start calling Gravity Emergent Entanglement because we discover Gravity is tied to the entropy of Entanglement as some suggest, that doesn't mean all of the research that used the word Gravity would be thrown out. That would be ASININE.
originally posted by: neoholographicHere's more:
Why Don't We Call Them Cro-Magnon Anymore?
Cro-Magnon is the name scientists once used to refer to what are now called Early Modern Humans or Anatomically Modern Humans--people who lived in our world at the end of the last ice age (ca. 40,000-10,000 years ago); they lived alongside Neanderthals for about 10,000 of those years. They were given the name 'Cro-Magnon' because, in 1868, parts of five skeletons were discovered in the rock shelter of that name, located in the famous Dordogne Valley of France.
A century and a half of research since then has led scholars to believe that the physical dimensions of so-called 'Cro-Magnon' are not sufficiently different enough from modern humans today to warrant a separate designation. Scientists today use 'Anatomically Modern Human' (AMH) or 'Early Modern Human' (EMH) to designate the Upper Paleolithic human beings who looked a lot like us but did not have the complete suite of modern human behaviors, or rather, who were in the process of developing those behaviors.
www.thoughtco.com...
Like I said, you're debating semantics because you can't debate the issue. The only reason they started calling them Early Modern Humans is because they weren't so different from us that they needed a separate designation.
It goes on to say:
Before the return of EMH to the Middle East and Europe, the first modern behaviors are in evidence at several South African sites of the Still Bay/Howiesons Poort tradition, about 75,000-65,000 years ago. But it wasn't until about 50,000 years ago or so that a difference in tools, in burial methods, in the presence of art and music, and changes in social behaviors as well, had been developed. At the same time, waves of early modern humans left Africa.
BOOM!
Exactly what I have been saying.
All of a sudden, modern social behaviors appeared that led to the modern world. Where did this come from? All of a sudden you had a Cro-Magnon(early modern humans) appear with an advanced civilization that led to civilizations like Egypt, Greece and America.
originally posted by: abeverage
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: abeverage
What???
You can't be serious. You said:
Sorry but no...I love science truly, but this is hardly scientific...
With all due respect, this is just an ASININE statement.
This is Science. Scientist like the man in the video take time recreating these tools. This is how they know how modern an advanced things were when the Cro-Magnon appeared.
Scientist reverse engineer these things to see how long it takes them to make these tools and weapons. To say this isn't science is just LUDICROUS as Mike Tyson would say.
You are missing the point (of that very pointy spear) I am not debating the recreating of the tools/weapons, but knowing how they were thrown or used is speculation that he is stating as fact! He also has a cut scene where you see the Neanderthal spear thrown in its entirty you do not see the "modern" humans spear thrown without it cutting scene. In otherwords to prove the superiority of the modern human...
He states they could not have thrown them far just like he did (wait what)...he explains this how exactly? Why with his pathetic throw...
At least get a javelin athlete to throw this spear would be more accurate then this. Talk about ludicrous
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: abeverage
Again, you need to realize Scientist are debating these issues and have been debating these issues for years. The video is only 3 minutes long and it assumes the person watching has a little common sense to know there's much deeper reasoning behind the things he was saying but that video might take hours.
Again, a little COMMON SENSE is all that's needed. Here's more:
This finding by a team of anthropologists provides an important insight into a defining moment in our ancestors’ development, when early humans evolved from hunters who killed at close-quarters to sophisticated killers capable of bringing down large beasts from a distance.
The first direct evidence of thrown spears dates back to about 19,000 years ago. That is the age of the first known atlatl, or spear thrower – a device that allows a long, flexible dart to be thrown accurately at a range of 35 metres or more. Stone points that look like they were designed to be used with thrown spears date back to about 35,000 years ago.
But Steven Churchill at Duke University in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, thinks this reasoning is flawed. A two-handed spear thrust will put far more stress on the dominant arm holding the back end of the spear than the front arm, he says. This would explain the differences in strength found in fossil bones.
To test this idea, Churchill and his colleagues Daniel Schmitt and William Hylander initially measured the dimensions of a number of Neanderthal humerus (upper arm) bones. This showed they are thicker front to back than side to side, which is what would be expected if the bones had adapted to cope with an asymmetric force.
Later humans who were known to have used spears had rounder humeri, which suggests that throwing a spear distributes force relatively evenly along the bones.
www.newscientist.com...
Again, if you took the time to actually look into these issues before commenting, you would know there's much more evidence behind what's being said in the video on both sides of the issue.
The person watching should have enough basic common sense to know this.
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: Harte
The fact that you're still debating semantics and not substance shows you don't know what you're talking about. You said:
Gravity is an actual thing. Cro Magnon is a made-up name for some modern humans - Like using the term "Texans" instead of Humans.
You can't be serious.
Cro-Magnon isn't some made up name.
It comes from Abri de Cro-Magnon which is in France where the first specimens were found in 1868. I'ts just IGNORANT to say this is some made up name and even if it was they're both talking about the same thing.
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: Harte
Also, Cro-Magnon, Early Modern Humans, came onto the scene and changed everything.
Why? Because Neanderthals lacked the sophistication and curiosity of early modern humans. This is why we advanced and they didn't.
Neanderthal traveled in groups and they stayed in those groups. The first early Neanderthals that came after the proto-Neanderthals were around for 200 to 250,000 years and nothing really changed. Like the Scientist in the video said, they kept reinventing the wheel.
modern humans came onto the scene around 50,000 - 60,000 years ago and look where we are now.
, this is because Neanderthals lacked human curiosity which cause humans to work on projects for hours to try and figure things out. With Neanderthals, any exchange of information was very slow because they stayed in these tight groups.
Humans want to explore, learn new information, then come back to the group and share that information. where did this come from?
When you look at the historical record, it shows something happened in Africa around 150,000 - 200,000 years ago. Primitive hominids changed. I and others have been saying for years that an Advanced civilization changed them. This ghost species.
These changed hominids began to evolve into modern humans. We see traces of these changes, 65 nd 75,000 years ago and then they explode onto the scene in Europe.
Whoever changed them had to be more advanced than them.
I said, the Neanderthals were around 200-250,000 years and most of them were still living in caves. In 100,000 years or less, we're flying in airplanes, walking around with smartphones and building 160 story buildings.
To me, this is clear evidence that an advanced civilization changed primitive hominids in Africa.
Modern humanity's ancient cousins, the Neanderthals, lived in small groups that were isolated from one another, suggests an investigation into their DNA. The analysis also finds that Neanderthals lacked some human genes that are linked to our behavior.
Now moving beyond ancestry, researchers are comparing these ancient gene maps to those of modern humans. The comparisons may point to genes that make us uniquely human and uncover links to the origins of genetic ailments.
Compared to Neanderthals, humanity appears to have evolved more when it comes to genes related to behavior, suggests a team headed by Svante Pääbo, a pioneer in ancient genetics at Germany's Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology. Their study was published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
They note in particular that genes linked to hyperactivity and aggressive behavior in modern humans appear to be absent in Neanderthals. Also missing is DNA associated with syndromes such as autism.
Over 600 complete mtDNA genomes from indigenous populations across the continent were analyzed and the data provided surprising insights into the early demographic history of human populations before they moved out of Africa. The extensive data analysis revealed that early human populations were small and isolated from each other for many tens of thousands of years.
The migrations after 60,000 years ago that led modern humans on their epic journeys to populate the world have been the primary focus of anthropological genetic research, but relatively little is known about the demographic history of our species over the previous 140,000 years in Africa. The current study returns the focus to Africa and in doing so refines our understanding of early modern Homo sapiens history.
Doron Behar, Rambam Medical Center, Haifa, said: "We see strong evidence of ancient population splits beginning as early as 150,000 years ago, probably giving rise to separate populations localized to Eastern and Southern Africa. It was only around 40,000 years ago that they became part of a single pan-African population, reunited after as much as 100,000 years apart."
Recent paleoclimatological data suggests that Eastern Africa went through a series of massive droughts between 135,000-90,000 years ago. It is possible that this climatological shift contributed to the population splits. What is surprising is the length of time the populations were separate - as much as half of our entire history as a species.
Saharon Rosset, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, NY and Tel Aviv University, said: "The analysis of such a massive dataset presents statistical and computational challenges as well as great opportunities for discovery of the events that shaped our history and genetic landscape. For example, we can see evidence of a population expansion period starting around 70,000 years ago, perhaps leading to the out of Africa dispersal shortly afterward."
The timing of these events coincides with the onset of the Late Stone Age in Africa, a change in material culture that many archaeologists believe heralds the beginning of fully modern human behavior, including abstract thought and complex spoken language.
Previous studies have shown that while human populations had been quite small prior to the Late Stone Age, perhaps numbering fewer than 2,000 around 70,000 years ago, the expansion after this time led to the occupation of many previously uninhabited areas, including the world beyond Africa.
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: peter vlar
You and the other guy haven't refuted anything. It's just these ramblings that have nothing to do with anything that has been said.
The one guy wants to debate semantics because he can't debate the issue.
originally posted by: Harte
Here's a suggestion.
If you're trying to find out more about this particular subject, don't bother with any video or site that talks about or refers to the emergence of Cro Magnon man.
Cro Magnon Man was modern Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
In other words, us.
There was at least one other subspecies of Homo Sapiens - Homo sapiens idaltu in Africa, and likely others.
This "timeline" you mention has not been established. Since that's the case, Anthropologists can only go by the evidence they have in hand.
Anyway, a website talking about "Cro Magnon" is using an outdated term that applies to a particular group of Homo Sapiens Sapiens whose remains were found on the property of a Frenchman whose last name was Magnon.
Harte
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: peter vlar
Again, if Neanderthals were so intelligent, where are their castles and skyscrapers? They had 200-250,000 years and most of them still lived in caves. We have been around less than that and we're working with artificial intelligence and building quantum computers.
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: Harte
Everything I have said, I have presented evidence to support. I have laid out a timeline that's supported by the evidence and hasn't been reuted.
This is why you make ASININE statements like this:
I made a suggestion that you don't use for information people or websites that cite "Cro Magnon Man" as some sort of other species, as if they were distinct.
Where did I say Cro-Magnon was a distinct species from early modern humans? This is just a strawman arguement about semantics because you can't debate the issue.