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“Give me the confidence of white showrunners telling HBO they wanna write slavery fanfic,” tweeted journalist Pilot Viruet.
a reply to: seeker1963
Why does everything have to be about Race?
And like I said these script really wrote themselv
This supposed response from the Queen of Kush Amanishakheto. when asked to meet with Augustus caesar by an envoy from Rome.
Caesar?? who is this Caesar, we know him not!
Meaning who the hell do he think he is, asking me to come meet with him..lol
the result was war, she invaded Roman occupied Egypt and sacked the upper Egyptian capital of Thebes and he retaliates by invading Kush, she returned the favor,
Captured Roman POWs and Egyptian allie ??
The statue of Augustus Caesar , decapitated from the body her during her invasion of Roman occupied Egypt was found buried beneath her temple so all could trample over his body for all times.
I am willing to bet that the yeasayers would beat out the naysayers if this flick was to be made and not be crappy,it would be a win, in the likes of Spartacus and Rome. sword and sandals action, sex ( hopefully a lil nudity) great story line..critics would STFU.
And most importantly informative and truly groundbreaking.
When have black folks been masters of their own destiny in recorded history lol?!?! In the middle of Africa pre-European expansion?? That is a narrow time frame to make a film about..
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Spider879
When have black folks been masters of their own destiny in recorded history lol?!?!
In the middle of Africa pre-European expansion??
originally posted by: Indrasweb
when was the last time you saw a movie about folks a group of fellow humans melaninated as they are with recent or actually from the continent called Africa that was not the object of.
Struggling to escape oppression from
Slavery, and domination in one form or another from a group of folks with recent ancestors or actually from a continent called Europe.
Are you not equally tired of being the evil white guy oppressors in those flicks??
How about a flick that showed more of just one thing...every time.
I fully support what you're saying in the OP and I think you're spot on. It's amazing to me really that I have heard of almost none of the historic peple or incidents you referred to. That seems to me a) unfair and b) a waste of good source material.
However, I think you have a major problem with your proposal, and that is the do-gooder PC crowd, the BLM types, the white guilt SJW types and those who are easily offended, and here's why:
If you create a show that accurately portrays the grotesqueries of the culture of that time (i.e. show black people doing horrible #, which would include owning and treating people as slaves, murdering and raping etc.. think GoT) then there is a 100% chance of a furious backlash against the producers for portraying black people in a bad light, especially if the victims are white!!!! (think: Romans would be cast as mostly white). Any genuine attempt to make an accurate and even-handed portrayal of black people would have to include negative notions about their culture or history (even just for the sake of writing a coherent and interesting plot) and that would NOT go across well.....
Search your feelings spider, you know it to be true..
Add to that the fact that it's mostly white folks making it and there'd be people having apoplectic #fits about it one way or another. Already people are crying about 'Confederate' because it's mostly white people talking about slavery and that's somehow/someway not ok or something
(because white people didn't live through that era? They aren't actually BEST placed to write about OWNING slaves? You want to do away with tired plotlines in films, instead of writing yet ANOTHER film from the POV of a slave, write it from the POV of the slave OWNER.. Hey, if you REALLY want to create a #storm, and actually write an interesting story, make it a sympathetic portrayal of a slave owner! Don't you pretend now that ALL white slave owners were HORRIFIC and EVIL.. Let's be totally honest realistic and objective, some of them will have been decent human beings... anyway.. sorry for the digression back to the main point)
The way around some of the "you're portraying black people as the bad guy" is to make the cast ALL black (good guys AND bad guys).
Now I personally think that would be a good way to go (for a variety of reasons) BUT, good luck selling that to a bunch of execs. No, not because they're 'racist ' but because they like MONEY.
The numbers of people they would stand to alienate (unfortunately) is probably quite high and I imagine they'd be unlikely to take a risk (there's VERY little risk taking in Hollywood/tv land these days I think).
I think, personally, that the reason it might alienate a lot of people isn't because the audience is especially racist (though that is exactly how it would be explained; see: dislike of female Ghostbusters automatically = misogynist) but because of the way these things are made to be about race by the media before anyone even has a chance to form a reasoned opinion.
Let's take, for example an all (or majority) black production of one of the kick-ass stories you mentioned (the one with the woman riding the one-eyed elephant/tank into battle... can you just imagine a scene that epic??? An enormous armoured elephant ridden by a beautiful warrior queen, leading an army into a fierce battle before a sweeping African landscape?? Holy #). The show could be genuinely amazing, original, exciting, well written and produced, ground-breaking effects and all the tits and arses and severed limbs that we know and love.
What would the media report on?
Before it was even out?
ALL BLACK CAST!
ALL BLACK PRODUCTION TEAM!
BLACK PEOPLE ONLY!
# WHITEY! GO BLACK PEOPLE YEAH!
CULTURAL APPROPRIATION BY EVIL WHITES IN SUITS. MAKING MONEY OFF BLACK CULTURE/HISTORY ....
Aaaaand this is why we can't have nice things..
So you IMMEDIATELY have a provocative and confrontational situation where people (racist or not) are made to feel as though they are under attack and have to be on the defensive...
It totally sucks but, until people can start to just BE FAIR AND REASONABLE HUMAN BEINGS without a big #ing fanfare one way or another (i.e. just do what you're doing/be whoever you are, without the drama) then we're going to run into crap like this all the time, which limits our potential, creativity and (true and healthy) diversity and is a barrier to real acceptance and equality.
Anyway.. totally hope I'm talking out of my arse (I most probably am. Don't see any references in that wall of text to back up what I'm saying do you?) because I'm sure there must be thousands of awesome stories from many cultures that we could all share, enjoy and be the richer for...