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Maybe it's time for America(ns) to step back...

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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:10 AM
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America operates under the assumption they project the best interest for everyone.

So I'd like to ask, which country benefited from our projection of freedom through military action?

I'd also like to ask, how are citizens of the country as a whole?

There is a very polarized debate on most topics, left vs right. While this distraction keeps people occupied, the geopolitical and domestic atmosphere are deteriorating.

Our military projection is costing citizens for failed endeavors. The result is disgruntled global neighbors.

So it feeds the cycle, as our deteriorating education system, health care, infrastructure and protection of our citizen rights.

How long do we continue with this false image? When do we get the humility to see we cannot dictate what goes on in a neighbor's house while ours is not in order?

If freedom is the true agenda, why do we act so fickle to ideologies that challenge ours? If God given rights are bestowed to Americans as a human right, does that extend to any human?

Or should we stay on popular topics, Tweets, drama, and sensationalized "news"?




posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:14 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Iraqi VP said recently

America out

We want Russians in



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:18 AM
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originally posted by: JustAnotherTarget
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Iraqi VP said recently

America out

We want Russians in

The OP wasn't meant to be anti American. I'm a proud patriot.

The question is, if our society represents and projects freedom, how do we do so?

And my answer is by having the best and successful example, which I argue we do not.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:21 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Chinese are the smartest bunch of them all

While Americans and Russians try to project power militarily

Chinese are making business deals EVERYWHERE

No guns

Money !!!!!



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:23 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Where your argument fails is that those in power are an accurate (or close to) representation of the American citizens. You and I that are supposed to hold them accountable. Fact is, as most round 'ere know, is that the system is broken. Special interests, lobbies, pet projects and exploitation of people and resources has created something that is not what the founders envisioned.

That is not to say your premise is dismissed however, but should beg the question; how are they able to keep up with the forced agenda? I think it's better explained by taking human emotion out of the equation. If you no longer care about humanity as a whole, then it's easy to see a twisted monopoly board game happening with resources and property.

It's a very sad state from a humanity perspective.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:28 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

That is why I included Americans into the question.

This is a democracy. And while it has been plagued by discrepancies, it is a democracy.

If only half vote for presidential, and less for regional, local. Than we have to assume only some are caught up on current events.

The reason this country is projecting out of the worst interest for domestic and abroad is because it is aloud.

He see the question, should our country forego introspection before projection?



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:34 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

I would be curious to see a politician back constituents over some multi faceted lobbyist deal. We have history to look at and in turn, it would be my understanding is that was the beginning of voter turn off. It is also my opinion that "we" aren't concerned with projecting American values on other countries as citizens. In order for deals to transpire between countries, introducing conflict can have its benefits. We need only look at the middle east for proof and recently we can look right here at home. The divide over..well anything it seems is enough to pass and institute all sorts of anti-American laws and policies.

See also the Patriot Act for further proof.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:38 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

Thank you for humoring the questions. While I definitely show to agree with you, I just want everyone to ask these questions honestly to themselves.

I admire convicted ideas as long as they represent someone with good intentions.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:38 AM
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So I'd like to ask, which country benefited from our projection of freedom through military action?



I live in France and the French were and are grateful for the military action that our allies including the USA used during WW2 for the sake of freedom.

Warmest

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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:41 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

I think it is time for the U.S. to withdraw from around the world and let people deal with their own problems. I believe in the Prime Directive and non-interference.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:42 AM
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originally posted by: Lagomorphe



So I'd like to ask, which country benefited from our projection of freedom through military action?



I live in France and the French were and are grateful for the military action that our allies including the USA used during WW2 for the sake of freedom.

Warmest

Lags

I'm glad you bring that up. Japan and Germany are also prospering post WWII. The last bit of an age where humanity tried to spread humanity.

We set them up for success more than we punished them, yet we don't do the same with our own citizens.

Either way, thank you kindly for your appreciation of our fathers and grandfathers. Their efforts weren't in vein and I speak for my country when saying were happy to have helped.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:42 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

I understand your question and where you're coming from. We get to see a pretty painted picture in history books as well as real time. I think most would believe that we should not force our politics anywhere. Especially given we can't even tend to our own properly.




posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:43 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I think it is time for the U.S. to withdraw from around the world and let people deal with their own problems. I believe in the Prime Directive and non-interference.


I so hope that people representing all spectrums can agree with this rant. Our country needs something to unify us. If it's reevaluating our moral positioning domestic and abroad I think that would be an incredible start.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:47 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I understand your question and where you're coming from. We get to see a pretty painted picture in history books as well as real time. I think most would believe that we should not force our politics anywhere. Especially given we can't even tend to our own properly.



I asked this question jaded and frustrated.

I thank you for your refreshing conversation. This is where everyone should begin, on things we can agree on. Get those squared away and debate when we ran out of things to agree on.

If we did that, I think humanity would be surprised on the volume of topics we disagree on I'd we focus on similarities.

Love. Family. Food. Dignity. These are not demands, they are humble requests.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:49 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Lagomorphe



So I'd like to ask, which country benefited from our projection of freedom through military action?



I live in France and the French were and are grateful for the military action that our allies including the USA used during WW2 for the sake of freedom.

Warmest

Lags

I'm glad you bring that up. Japan and Germany are also prospering post WWII. The last bit of an age where humanity tried to spread humanity.

We set them up for success more than we punished them, yet we don't do the same with our own citizens.

Either way, thank you kindly for your appreciation of our fathers and grandfathers. Their efforts weren't in vein and I speak for my country when saying were happy to have helped.


You are welcome CS.

I'm a Brit and both my grandfathers sacrificed their lives for freedom and their brothers too. My Grandmother also manned anti aircraft guns during the London blitz.

Freedom has a completely different definition compared to over 70 years ago sadly and I really feel for those citizens (especially the US) who time after time have been lied to just to fatten the wallets of the military complex and also to keep the petrol and precious mineral supply flowing nice and easy...

Freedom equals greed nowadays unfortunately.

Warmest

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edit on 25-7-2017 by Lagomorphe because: Crap spelling



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:52 AM
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Tha reply to: Lagomorphe

Condolences to your grandfather's. The world is greatful for their service.

But more importantly, they're greatful they fought for you to realize what you just said.

Humanity used to stand for something, and unfortunately it is now again perverted.

Its important for us to share those ideas that were taught to us by less spoiled and greedy generations.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 01:12 AM
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Its important for us to share those ideas that were taught to us by less spoiled and greedy generations.


Thanks Sincerely CS...

It was a totally different mindset 70 years ago when freedom was a REAL issue compared to nowadays.

The majority of the last two generations of Western civilisation do not know how lucky they are in my opinion!

My son who is half French half English and is 18 next week has always been brought up to respect what freedom really means and last week we went to the cinema to watch the film Dunkirk.

He is a millenium child who has seen big changes in our so called advanced and modern society for which he is not responsable and I was so proud when glancing over to see a tear in his eye...

Many questions were asked and are still being answered to this day.

It is up to us (our generation) to teach our kids what FREEDOM is really all about I believe, in order that they try to make the right choices in the future for their and their future generations to come...

It is up to us now to repair the damage of the last 30 years caused by greed.

Warmest

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edit on 25-7-2017 by Lagomorphe because: Crap grammar



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 01:13 AM
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The problem with pacifism is it only accounts for the lives lost and not the lives saved. We are in what is called 'The long peace', largely due to American intervention, trade, and nuclear proliferation. If America leaves the world stage the world is lost.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 01:15 AM
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a reply to: Aphorism

Also, if America keeps on the current path, the world is lost. I think that is the point the OP is trying to make.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 01:17 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

I'm not sure that is true.



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