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Richard Dawkins' Berkeley event cancelled for 'Islamophobia'

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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:44 AM
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This isnt his first run in with the SJW horde.

Some years back, the SJW's set about causing havoc in Atheist circles with their "Atheist+" thingamajig. I guess If you were a gay Atheist then of course you had to wear it on your sleeve like this: 'Atheist+Gay'. And all the other identity tribes they complain to everyone they're a part of.

So then sometime around then, at one of the Atheist conventions the SJW's were out that year raising hell at, Dawkin's asked a SJW lady on an elevator if she'd like to go for a cup of coffee. The reaction was the horde rampaged across the Internet, I guess, smearing him as a "rapist".



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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 12:53 AM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: Raggedyman

So... I take it you don't like Mr.Dawkin's




Well lets just say I dont think Mr Dawkins is as precious as some of our other posters would have us think

He serves a purpose, he serves it very well.
Religion must be held accountable by non religious, I agree with what he does, sometimes, other times he is just trying to sell books



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 01:00 AM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

Fair enough.

Personally, I have no qualms with him, I don't always agree with his views, but I do enjoy listening to him. There is always knowledge to be learned and new perspective to be gained, even from people you hate and disagree with.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 01:03 AM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

He is a militant atheist. That alone should tell you enough.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 01:19 AM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

In ideology & identity neuro-psychological terms, Atheism is absolutely the same 'thing' inside the brain of a true believer of any other religion. Especially with case studies such as Dawkin's. He's the ultimate evangelist type as far as his scene goes.

The only truely rational position is Agnosticism, which is: 'we cant know if there is OR is not a god etc so why take absolutist positions and fight about this stuff'.

Atheists have declared with absolute faith that since we find contradictions in the Bible (which it says right in it there aren't any), then that PROVES that "God" is fake hoax whatever. And then the type of rabid fallacious conflation you'd expect from religious zealots ensues, with: "God" isn't real, therefore there are not and never were any other 'gods' or anything of the like. PERIOD. (is their typical stance) Go ahead and point out the fallacy and I've seen them roll their eyes like you'd expect from a Christian when you bring up Dinosaurs.

So I cant stand the dude... my first encounter with him was his documentary I think it was "Religion: The Root of All Evil". In it he makes bold claims such as something like every war in history was all because of religion. Absolutist positions with sweeping generalizations, riddled with fallacy ad delivered with zeal is the stuff of religious zealotry.

But then he's a total dick about it. He went around interviewing the worst of the wacky celebrity religious nuts that year. It was such a deliberate smear campaign his little tour etc that it bordered on ambush journalism, the way I recall the film. And the thing is, pay close attention to him his facial expressions and all that and it just screamed to me he's every bit of what he was trying to smear them for being.

And a total dick about it. Which South Park in easily one of their top celebrity lampoons, they called him out for it to. Absolutely brilliant 2 part episode titled "Go God Go". Cartman freezes himself so he wouldn't have to wait 6 more weeks for Wii to come out, and ends up in the future where all world religions are extinct, everyone is Atheist and there are now wars its just different factions of Atheist's at world war over.... well I wont plot spoil it for ya.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 01:46 AM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: chr0naut

So what are your thoughts on the double standards by those who called him out?

Or is it justified because he's one of the four horsemen that only spews hate?


I'm not Islamic but I think calling Islam "the greatest force for evil in this world" and suggesting that the actions of terrorists and criminals are those of Islam, is offensive hate speech.

It is like blaming all Christians for the Westboro Baptist Church's actions. It is offensive and incorrect.

The radio station calling him out on it is not a double standard.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 01:54 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Not if you know his work: He INSISTS that religion is the root of ALL evil (its the name of one of his books). Not money. Not tribalism. Not greed. Not psychology. Nope: religion.

Therefore, if he believes that Islam is the most barbaric of the list of religions, then hm saying that quote is technically just him being clever in having fun with his little slogan.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 02:17 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: chr0naut

Not if you know his work: He INSISTS that religion is the root of ALL evil (its the name of one of his books). Not money. Not tribalism. Not greed. Not psychology. Nope: religion.


... and the deprivations of the atheist Stalinist Russia and the atheist Maoist Socialism in China were all sweetness, light and loveliness?


Therefore, if he believes that Islam is the most barbaric of the list of religions, then hm saying that quote is technically just him being clever in having fun with his little slogan.



The Nazi's had slogans too... They made these big posters. You should have seen them. What fun they had...



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 03:00 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Well that maybe a different, albeit somewhat more accurate explanation of him as some see it

I dont see Dawkins any different as some see Wesboro church members

Very interesting and valid vie on every atheist fave atheist.
Also agree on what you said about agnosticism



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 03:01 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: chr0naut

So what are your thoughts on the double standards by those who called him out?

Or is it justified because he's one of the four horsemen that only spews hate?


I'm not Islamic but I think calling Islam "the greatest force for evil in this world" and suggesting that the actions of terrorists and criminals are those of Islam, is offensive hate speech.

It is like blaming all Christians for the Westboro Baptist Church's actions. It is offensive and incorrect.

The radio station calling him out on it is not a double standard.


There is no such thing as hate speech. Anyone who believes otherwise are against the freedom of speech.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 04:59 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

He's never spoken highly of ANY religion. I am surprised he turned this down.
He is getting old tho. I am sure he was 'advised' to not continue. If he was younger, I am sure he would have gone in in full force. He was a rather bull headed person in his younger years.


No he is not, poor thing is a target
Leave him alone, poor Mr Dawkins
Might hurt his feelings, just ask woody


Good god...
Get over yourself.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 05:53 AM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

This is ridiculous.

I can understand any University banishing the far right lunatics from their campuses, because as reasoning people know, there is nothing more despicable than an ideology which would, at its illogical conclusion, enact a eugenicist policy of extermination of all but a single subset of the human species.

However, Richard Dawkins is not a phobic. He is an atheist, he finds the politicisation of religion to be a threat to the worlds peace, a matter upon which he and I agree, despite my being a man of faith myself. He speaks out when things which are wrong are done, in the name of God, or for that matter, for any reason. His dislike of theocracy is NOT phobic, but humanitarian, and there is NOTHING wrong with that, not a bloody thing what so ever. He has legitimate points to make, which have NOTHING to do with hatred, and everything to do with pragmatism.

He is not another bloody Milo, not an "alt right" (read: far right) agenda spewing, fascist filth peddler. The idea that he ought to be banished from a platform in the same way as those who are actually hate preachers of ANY kind, is frankly appalling. There are some people who SHOULD be refused a platform, any platform, for any reason, so that their way of thinking can eventually die off. But Dawkins is not one of them, and I find this situation utterly incomprehensible.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 06:39 AM
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originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986


I thought Dawkins died a couple of years ago, guess I was wrong. See what I did there Mandela people? I acknowledged I had a faulty memory of something and did not attribute it to some crazy conspiracy theory.



People often seem to confuse Dawkins with Hitchens, another British author, speaker, and outspoken anti-theist. Christopher Hitchens did indeed pass away a few years ago.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 07:03 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Come on now.

You did a big spiel about those horrible Alt-Right, but no notta about the CTRL-Left / Antifa / BLM / SJW?

The Alt-Right are merely the SJW's polar opposite (Identity Politics BS).

CTRL-Left are out goosetepping in violent mobs hurting and killing people, in the name of stopping "oppression" that didn't exist (these racist blame all white people for 1%'ers evils).

Alt-Right, as far as I can tell exist specifically as a mode of self-preservation in the face of being increasingly treated like the 'Jew rats' in Nazi Germany.

Antifa the biggest Stereotypical Fascists that exist on the planet as far as I can tell, like Nazi's brownshirts but in black.

Now there are proper White Supremacist hate group extremists, and their goosesteeping activities the past 20 years were relatively non-existent compared to Antifa just this year alone. Even their killings are but the odd job lone wolf nutter, compared to our total population the numbers are surely statistically insignificant.

The SJW Supremacists though, whom are on the march to the tune of mass murder, wide open anti-white racism of the actual institutional power variety, literally overthrowing college campuses by force, etc, et al, and so on. But they're okay in your book because you happen to be a leftist? It isn't racism when minorities / white hating whites do it, right?

It's already damn near the day before "The Night of Broken Glass". You think when they wrap up taking out all the non-liberals whites they'll stop with you? The trend is clear and present. And oh, you're a male! Oh dear you might consider becoming a trans now then you be able to hold out until the very last batch of whites. Oh crap, Radical Islamists might take you out first if you attempt that. And you're liberal brethren will howl and shriek at anyone whom attempts to criticize them for doing it. Probably try to brand it all as "Hate Speech".



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 07:23 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

I would tend to agree with this, but at the same time, I am wondering why the Muslims thought they should get a pass from Dawkins since that's his MO.

In other words, as Christians, you and I know that Dawkins is a rabid anti-theist. We know to expect extreme derision from him, and we know he derides all forms of faith. Muslims seem to have missed this memo.
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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 07:23 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
He is not another bloody Milo, not an "alt right" (read: far right) agenda spewing, fascist filth peddler. The idea that he ought to be banished from a platform in the same way as those who are actually hate preachers of ANY kind, is frankly appalling. There are some people who SHOULD be refused a platform, any platform, for any reason, so that their way of thinking can eventually die off. But Dawkins is not one of them, and I find this situation utterly incomprehensible.


And what's this, you're actually condoning Antifa rioting to shut down Milo, whom by the way according to Red Ice is no Alt-Right'er (of the proper white nationalist variety which you're clearly broadstroking here).

Liberalism is all about brutally censoring opposing views, even when not preaching violence hell not even overt racism in the slightest?

Milo's just a troll whom some people he annoys, some people he entertains, and then the SJW's well he triggers them out of their minds. Same people whom ban comedians now. Oh, and an Atheist icon (same guy whom they previous smeared as a "rapist" for asking a SJW lady if she'd like to get a coffee).

Seriously though, I had taken you for one of the rare reasonable, rational, pragmatic, etc. But then just now you went full libtard demagogue.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 07:27 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

For someone who has claimed to be a Christian, I find it hard to believe your rationalization.

Dawkins and his hateful anti-theist rhetoric should be as threatening to you as anything any alt-right person could possibly say would be threatening to a minority.

So if you applaud the shuttering of one type of speech, you should intellectually find the other to be its equal and equally worthy of censure.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 07:52 AM
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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I think you will find, that my post significantly detracts from the position that some faux left, softy has taken on the issue of Dawkins speaking at this event. Might be wise to read with your eyes open next time chap.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 08:24 AM
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P.C. or whatever you want to call it is the same old religious zealotry repackaged. And it has no place in our schools or government.
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