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Topic started on 7-2-2005 @ 09:52 PM by soficrow

Researchers now have proved conclusively that prions can be created by laboratory techniques. The news has far-reaching political and economic implications. Prions are the misfolded proteins infamous for causing Mad Cow disease. Scientists long have known that many standard laboratory techniques and chemical processes cause proteins to misfold and clump together, or "aggregate." This tendency for proteins to misfold and aggregate has frustrated researchers, and chemical and drug manufacturers for half a century. Until now, prion researchers have not proved conclusively that such artificially created misfolded proteins could be infectious.

www.sfgate.com
Scientists at UCSF have created synthetic prions - tiny protein particles - and shown they can cause brain disease in laboratory animals and replicate...

...Prusiner, Legname and their colleagues created a large fragment of a normal prion protein and folded it using lab techniques into an abnormal shape...

"The findings represent a renaissance in prion biology," Prusiner said in a statement released by UCSF. "...which will change the way scientists do experiments in the field."

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Some prions do occur naturally, but prion researchers have little doubt that most misfolded prions are man-made, or result from human activities. For example, many prescription and over-the-counter drugs 'target' proteins, so proteins are needed for drug research. Chemical companies manufacture proteins, and one of the biggest problems in protein manufacturing is that the proteins tend to misfold and clump together or "aggregate."

Proteins misfold in the production process regularly - a huge problem in commercial manufacturing.

Producing commercially important recombinant proteins in large quantities has long been a headache for biotechnology companies, particularly if the protein of interest has a tendency to fold incorrectly.

www.nature.com...

In fact, it is so common for proteins to misfold in production processes or during experiments that developing a protein resistant to misfolding usually results in an industry Press Release. Systems to monitor protein folding and misfolding also have a secure market niche.

Protein misfolding in commercial protein production may be caused by many different laboratory techniques including the use of centrifuges, and exposing proteins to electricity, electro-magnetic fields and temperature changes.

A great many manufacturing and research processes produce misfolded proteins as a byproduct, or accidentally. Prion scientists believe that any misfolded protein may have the ability to become infectious.

"Scientists think if the proteins misfold, they can become infectious..."

Misfolded Proteins Infectious

The scientists who insist misfolded proteins are benign are generally employed or funded by, or associated with chemical and drug companies. In the end, it is the controversy that is synthetic. Industry-generated denials that prions are infectious have to do with liability and profit.

Drug companies and researchers have been creating misfolded proteins for a very long time, and releasing raw prion aggregates into the environment. If misfolded proteins are benign and not infectious, it doesn't matter, and they're off the hook. But if the misfolded proteins created by the chemical and drug industries are or can become infectious, then there is reason for great concern.

Unlike bacteria, viruses and other microbes, prions are not killed by standard decontamination and sterilization procedures.

…prions are notoriously difficult to break down… "We don't know why prions are so highly stable, but they are extremely hard to destroy. Indeed, one standard method of decontamination - soaking in fomaldehyde - actually stabilises the prions."

New Methods Work to Killing Prions

It is highly likely that infectious prions now contaminate most of the nation's soil, and from there, have seeped into groundwater to rivers, then into the oceans and seas. This means that drinking water is contaminated, and so is the water that's used to irrigate crops and water livestock, to make drinks and beverages, to reconstitute juice, to process food, and the list goes on.

Prions in Soil

It is simple to deal with industry created prions: Make it illegal to dump misfolded proteins and aggregates into standard waste removal systems; require industry to create new, effective systems to handle prion contaminated waste, and to filter and destroy misfolded proteins from waste.

Cleaning up the results of past negligence will be more complicated and expensive, but also doable.

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POLITICS: Mad Cow-causing Prions Found in All Organs
SCI/TECH: "Mad Cow" Spreading in Deer and Elk
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OP/ED: The Final Solution

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reply posted on 7-2-2005 @ 11:32 PM by billybob

excellent, soficrow. you know, len horowitz has been saying this for years now. AIDS, too. his books, 'death from above, emerging viruses', and, 'healing codes of the biological apocalypse' both tell of the engineering of AIDS, and ebola strains, and prions in labs for the intent of depopulation.
'the report from iron mountain' was unveiled on november 20, 1967, by NWOers who decided there are just too many people in the world. the paper recommends depopulation through DISEASE and birth control. it is basically a blueprint for the new world order. i haven't read it in a while, but here's a link, the report from iron mountain

just do a google search, too, people. it is discussed quite a bit on the net.

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reply posted on 7-2-2005 @ 11:47 PM by HowardRoark

A good submission, overall, however I think that this statement:

The scientists who insist misfolded proteins are benign are generally employed or funded by, or associated with chemical and drug companies.

is a little too general.

While it might be true, It would be difficult to prove conclusivley and it adds a percieved bias.

Billybob, no one is out there trying to "depopulate" the earth through engineered viruses.

Viruses mutate enough on thier own, we don't have to do it for them.

reply posted on 7-2-2005 @ 11:52 PM by twitchy

Monsanto is the single biggest profiteer from the mad cow 'epidemic'. We were just discussing this on another thread, I'll edit the post one I find it and post a link to it. Am glad to find something we can finally agree on Roark.

EDIT:
Found the link..
"Who profits from the mad cow terror?"
100777.com...

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reply posted on 7-2-2005 @ 11:59 PM by HowardRoark

Hey, I beleve that we do infact create a lot of environmental issues ourselves. Not out of some wierd plot, but simply out of blind ignorance. the pattern is simple and has been repeated a number of times.

Lead Paint, asbetos, PCBs, Benzene, MTBE, these were all viewed as benificial to us at one time.

reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 12:03 AM by soficrow

Originally posted by HowardRoark
A good submission, overall, however I think that this statement:

The scientists who insist misfolded proteins are benign are generally employed or funded by, or associated with chemical and drug companies.

is a little too general.

While it might be true, It would be difficult to prove conclusivley and it adds a percieved bias.

mea culpa

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reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 12:18 AM by billybob

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Billybob, no one is out there trying to "depopulate" the earth through engineered viruses.

Viruses mutate enough on thier own, we don't have to do it for them.

i referenced books and papers, howard. argue with the books.

out of curiousity, had you ever heard of the report from iron mountain? it came from the RAND crowd, howard.

reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 12:34 AM by soficrow

Originally posted by twitchy

"Who profits from the mad cow terror?"
100777.com...

HOLY !!! Gotta post the first few paras from that link...

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 5. 2001 Mark Purdey, the very bright British farmer who claims mad cow disease is really caused by the insecticide Phosmet, has had some trouble. His house was burned down. Corporate Watch magazine (issue 12) reports that his barn suddenly collapsed and his library of med/science materials was damaged. Purdey was shot at. His phone lines were cut. Purdey went to court to defend his right not to give his cows Phosmet. His lawyer, who won the case, died in a car crash. Purdey's veterinarian, who claimed Purdey had perhaps found a clue to mad cow disease, also died in a car accident.

Phosmet is spread on the spines of cows to eradicate a pest. It is manufactured by Zeneca Corp., a spinoff of the Brit chem giant Imperial Chemical Industries (ICI). ICI was originally founded out of the famous explosives firm, Nobel. ICI was one of those big companies which was involved with the Nazi cartel IG Farben. Zeneca makes the cancer drug Tamoxifen, which has been linked to ovarian cancer.

Not a pretty picture. Phosmet, which is an organophosphate compound, comes out of a long line of research on nerve gas. IG Farben pioneered that research long ago. ...

...Many chemicals cause proteins to misfold - and it's been known for a long, long time...

Howard - ever heard the phrase "Policy of Benign Neglect"? Britain did it in Africa, Canada did it with her Indians... It's a very polite and well-mannered form of genocide - and legally defensible.

Billybob, everyone, great discussion, links and info.

reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 12:35 AM by twitchy

If you posted that the sky was in fact blue in color, Roark, muadib or seekerof would be on here quick as a wink to say that the sky only reflected blue and that you and your blue sky sources were biased. There's no convincing some folks. Sad really, alot of folks depend on the media for their 'facts' while ignoring the obvious. I think there is more to their consistent denials of the facts than would meet the eye. It's funny to me that they are worried about being infiltrated by nazi's here on ATS, they have been infiltrated by misinformation junkies. Lie or not, skeptic ones, Biowarfare has creeped it's way into the massive food industry, the recent scandals with Monsanto and their ties to the US military's chemical warfare research has provided us with a good eye opener to this fact. I don't know about population control, you can go on and on about flouride and aspartame, but the connections between the chemical, pharmaceutical, and the military are blatant, and creepy.
I ask you guys this, do we really want companies that research and develop chemical weapons and biowarfare technology involved in the food industry? Hell look at Aspartame, see if you can get a tour of their production facilities without wearing a protective mask and gear. The more we trust coporations, the more they are going to screw us. History and Human nature alone proove this, despite what they have told you on the coporate owned news.

reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 12:48 AM by soficrow

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Okay guys - this one I canNOT substantiate, but I have a good sense about these things, plus a lot of background research. I'm wondering if anyone has any good info...

Background:

...Fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) appeared in the early 1900's. It is caused by a misfolded protein called a-smooth muscle actin (a-SMA), which takes over connective tissue stem cells and makes them mutate into myofibroblasts. ...Looks like the first ever prion disease, causes heart disease, cancer, stroke yada yada. Have posted info about it everywhere here.

The Link I'm Looking for:

What little I know about Nazi experiments - ie., heat, cold stuff; chemical stuff - all appears designed to see how prions react in the body, and what they do. ...I need more examples of experiments, plus specifics. ...What I'm wondering is if Farben and the boys were playing with agents to trigger, modify, direct, speed, slow progression.

...Originally thought they were loking for cure (naive, I know) - but now...

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reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 01:16 AM by Azeari of the Radiant Eye

Originally posted by soficrow
...Mark Purdey, the very bright British farmer who claims mad cow disease is really caused by the insecticide Phosmet, has had some trouble.

I remember when this story first came out...funny how it sort of died.

Here is the original story from April 98.

Here is an interview with Mr. Purdey from April 01.

This leads to some BBC search results on Purdey's name.

Finally, here is a link to a fascinating story about the discovery of a CJD-like disease discovered among a tribe of cannibals from Papua New Guinea.

reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 01:30 AM by soficrow

Good links Azeari - thanks.

FYI - numerous things are known or suspected to make proteins misfold - chemicals, including organophosphates like DDT and the one Purdey's on about, viruses, heavy metals, electro-magnetic fields - then new strains emerge when prions are exposed to any of these things, or new species, cells, temperature changes. ...IMO - Purdy may be right about what's triggering Mad Cow in England...

...also FYI - a group of people suspect that the New Guinea tribe was purposefully infected so that the disease could be studied and monitored. ...The key researcher was Gadjusek (sp?) - haven't followed up on this, just aware of allegations.

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reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 05:09 AM by DrHoracid

Originally posted by soficrow
Good links Azeari - thanks.

FYI - numerous things are known or suspected to make proteins misfold - chemicals, including organophosphates like DDT and the one Purdey's on about, viruses, heavy metals, electro-magnetic fields - then new strains emerge when prions are exposed to any of these things, or new species, cells, temperature changes. ...IMO - Purdy may be right about what's triggering Mad Cow in England...

...also FYI - a group of people suspect that the New Guinea tribe was purposefully infected so that the disease could be studied and monitored. ...The key researcher was Gadjusek (sp?) - haven't followed up on this, just aware of allegations.

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You are on the right track.....way to go

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reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 09:22 AM by soficrow

Originally posted by HowardRoark
Hey, I beleve that we do infact create a lot of environmental issues ourselves. Not out of some wierd plot, but simply out of blind ignorance. the pattern is simple and has been repeated a number of times.

Lead Paint, asbetos, PCBs, Benzene, MTBE, these were all viewed as benificial to us at one time.

There is a Mad Cow crisis - and it's breaking America's back. Unfortunately, we no longer have a peoples' democracy. Instead, we have a market economy.

Hence, the objective is NOT to solve the Mad Cow problem, or to handle the crisis. The goal is to profit from the situation.

...Two radically different objectives, with polarized outcomes.

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reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 09:40 AM by Azeari of the Radiant Eye

I thought it might be worth reposting a link to this thread: ATS Thread

I said:

One angle that hasn't been mentioned is hamburger ("mince", over here). When you think about the fact that a typical pound of hamburger could contain bits from perhaps hundreds of different animals (I saw the exact stat once, can't find it now), that really increases the odds of any one portion being infected.

And later clarified:

Originally posted by superdude
I understand what you're saying about knowing it is solely from one animal, however does this in any way help to ensure that BSE is not present? Is there special testing done when the animal is slaughtered?

No, it just improves the odds of it NOT being present in that particular meal. The odds of any single animal having it is astronomically smal, but if you eat someting made from tiny pieces of 500 (or whatever) animals, the odds are increased by a factor of 500. The odds are still small, but keep doing it over & over again, keep eating supermarket hamburger 2 or 3 times a week...eventually you've eaten a tiny bit of thousands of individual animals. Maybe tens of thousands over a lifetime?

I think it's a point worth making again: whatever the cause, it makes sense to at least try & reduce the number of individual animals you eat. Traceability makes sense, too, as does organic (or something close at least).

reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 11:18 AM by mattison0922

Originally posted by soficrow
...Fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) appeared in the early 1900's. It is caused by a misfolded protein called a-smooth muscle actin (a-SMA), which takes over connective tissue stem cells and makes them mutate into myofibroblasts. ...Looks like the first ever prion disease, causes heart disease, cancer, stroke yada yada. Have posted info about it everywhere here.

Soficrow, good post... Prion diseases have been a 'hobby topic' of mine for some time now.

Just for clarification: FMD was not the first prion disease. Scrapie a prion disease that affects sheep was described in the early 18th century.

reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 11:40 AM by soficrow

Originally posted by mattison0922

Originally posted by soficrow
...Fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) appeared in the early 1900's. It is caused by a misfolded protein called a-smooth muscle actin (a-SMA), which takes over connective tissue stem cells and makes them mutate into myofibroblasts. ...Looks like the first ever prion disease, causes heart disease, cancer, stroke yada yada. Have posted info about it everywhere here.

Soficrow, good post... Prion diseases have been a 'hobby topic' of mine for some time now.

Just for clarification: FMD was not the first prion disease. Scrapie a prion disease that affects sheep was described in the early 18th century.

Bad edit - I meant the first prion disease in humans. ...New spin is trying to say cannibals had prion diseases millions of years ago - but that's "new info" - looks like bull puckey to me.

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reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 11:46 AM by soficrow

Originally posted by Azeari of the Radiant Eye
I thought it might be worth reposting a link to this thread: ATS Thread

it makes sense to at least try & reduce the number of individual animals you eat. Traceability makes sense, too, as does organic (or something close at least).

Good link. Thanks.

Re: reducing the # of individual animals. ...My research says that different strains fight with one another in the body - ie., compete for the same prey - and the body comes out ahead. So my thinking is, a varied diet with more strains is better...

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reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 11:50 AM by mattison0922

Bad edit - I meant the first prion disease in humans. ...New spin is trying to say cannibals had prion diseases millions of years ago - but that's "new info" - looks like bull puckey to me.

Gotcha. Hmmm.... haven't heard the 'cannibals had them millions of years ago' thing... I would tend to agree with your assessment though. Given the symptomology and methods used to diagnose and identify any of the transmissable spongiform encephalopathies, I wonder HOW they came to this conclusion. Prion proteins are hardy indeed... but certainly don't persist for millions of years. Perhaps you've got a link available?

reply posted on 8-2-2005 @ 12:16 PM by soficrow

Originally posted by mattison0922

Bad edit - I meant the first prion disease in humans. ...New spin is trying to say cannibals had prion diseases millions of years ago - but that's "new info" - looks like bull puckey to me.

Gotcha. Hmmm.... haven't heard the 'cannibals had them millions of years ago' thing... I would tend to agree with your assessment though....I wonder HOW they came to this conclusion. Prion proteins are hardy indeed... but certainly don't persist for millions of years. Perhaps you've got a link available?

Sorry, no. Just seeing the spin surface in the past week or so... maybe as aside in 'balanced reporting'?

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