Romans only had 1 percent tax. This is what I agree with.

originally posted by: audubon
a reply to: redhorse

Don't get me wrong, I would like a 1% tax, it's just not an applicable comparison; and really, it's not workable.

Oh, it would work perfectly. For the one per cent, who would be living in heavily-guarded utopian cities, while the rest of the population lived in shanties just outside the city walls so that they could rummage through the garbage piles in order to survive.

It's not just about man hours, it's about economy.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Bluntone22
A flat tax is fine witb me, but youre loiking at cliser to 18% than 1%.

After business deductions, I pay 5%-9% to the Govt. 18% is too high...and so is Trump's 15% proposal...assuming that all deductions are eliminated.

And the rest of us are 'subsidizing' your low effective rate by paying a higher rate. You should be paying your FAIR SHARE.

a reply to: redhorse

wut

originally posted by: audubon
a reply to: redhorse

wut

Slaves were a commodity. They were intrinsic to the economy in a way that we can't really find a direct correlation to today. It wasn't just about the labor that the slaves could do, so the machine correlation regarding man hours doesn't exactly work. It is a factor, but not the whole picture.

If you suddenly removed a major commodity for say, energy then maybe it would have a similar result. That's part of why the Romans had to keep raiding, to keep the slaves coming in. Not just man power and hours.

originally posted by: Misterlondon
1% tax rate.. Ok but then you must have to accept your armies reverting back to armour and sword's like the romans..

Maybe.. but what was it ... $6 trillion over a decade of middle eastern wars..?
That's $20,000 for every man woman and child in the US.

originally posted by: redhorse
Slaves were a commodity. They were intrinsic to the economy in a way that we can't really find a direct correlation to today. It wasn't just about the labor that the slaves could do, so the machine correlation regarding man hours doesn't exactly work. It is a factor, but not the whole picture.

If you suddenly removed a major commodity for say, energy then maybe it would have a similar result. That's part of why the Romans had to keep raiding, to keep the slaves coming in. Not just man power and hours.

You're replying to a point that I didn't make. I suspect you confused a post of mine with someone else's.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: carewemust

Russia has 13% flat tax, but Russia does not have social problems nor do they have a racial geographical distribution. In the US most African Americans live in big cities. In Russia there are only whites. It would be more difficult for a low tax to work in the US, since welfare is a political problem in the US, unless in Russia where it is not.

Maybe the USA could be more like CUBA. Everyone pays the same, and is taken care of equally. Is that socialism, or communism?

a reply to: carewemust

Neither. It is egalitarian.

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Bluntone22
A flat tax is fine witb me, but youre loiking at cliser to 18% than 1%.

After business deductions, I pay 5%-9% to the Govt. 18% is too high...and so is Trump's 15% proposal...assuming that all deductions are eliminated.

And the rest of us are 'subsidizing' your low effective rate by paying a higher rate. You should be paying your FAIR SHARE.

That tax system was devised by lawyers/business owners. Everyone can play the game if they know the rules, and have the desire to play.

a reply to: allsee4eye

The original states were Federalist-see Thomas Jefferson. We were called The United STATES of America.

Along the crooked way, our Senators, Congress et al decided to try to equalize all the states therefore pass laws evening out monies for the poor, uneducated etc (Thank you, President Lyndon Johnson, not to mention Roosevelt and a few others).

As long as the money flowed the military got their share and more when wars were included and industries to supplement the "war" just piggybacked and there you have it. And the government employees had to have their share-and anyone who knew anyone that could help get those federal contracts got their payback. Wow-being a Senator or Congressman or Lobbyist and you are rich. Washington DC is now the richest neighborhood in the entire US.

Unless there is an extreme overhaul of the dirty way money stolen from the states and given to the federal to use as they see fit to embellish their pockets, The UNITED States will continue to descend to the rich and the poor-and then be overcome by countries with better vision and ability to treat all their citizens with personal pride and an ability to work together.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: carewemust

Neither. It is egalitarian.

Something for me to go research right now. Thanks 4 the info.

a reply to: audubon

My mistake. Apologies.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: carewemust

Neither. It is egalitarian.

Something for me to go research right now. Thanks 4 the info.

OK..I'm back.

""Egalitarianism (from French égal, meaning 'equal') – or equalitarianism – is a trend of thought that favors equality for all people.

Egalitarian doctrines maintain that all humans are equal in fundamental worth or social status, according to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, the term has two distinct definitions in modern English: either as a political doctrine that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights.""

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

Sounds like the philosophy of Martin Luther King, Jr.. A UTOPIA.

a reply to: redhorse

No worries, glad we got it sorted.

a reply to: carewemust

Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the 3 major former USSR republics, all have flat tax. They are neither communist nor socialist. They are egalitarian, treating everyone equally.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: carewemust

Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the 3 major former USSR republics, all have flat tax. They are neither communist nor socialist. They are egalitarian, treating everyone equally.

And their flat taxes are all much, much higher than one per cent, and all three nations have a lower standard of life than the US.

What you are stating does not support your argument; it actually undermines your argument.

a reply to: audubon

Rome's federal government only provided defense, no other service. Russia, Ukraine, Belarus federal governments provides healthcare, education, welfare and so on in addition to defense, so naturally their flat taxes are more than 1%. In the US the 10th amendment says the federal government should not do things states can do, so in the US the federal flat tax can be at most a few percent.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
In the US the 10th amendment says the federal government should not do things states can do

That is not actually what it says.

so in the US the federal flat tax can be at most a few percent.

Now you are moving the goalposts.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
In the US the 10th amendment says the federal government should not do things states can do, so in the US the federal flat tax can be at most a few percent.

That's not what it says at all, and your second clause is a non-sequitur anyway.

a reply to: daskakik

Ha - snap!