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Romans only had 1 percent tax. This is what I agree with.

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posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: Abysha

Correct. The federal government should only be responsible for army. State governments should be responsible for health, education, welfare, environment, energy and so on.
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posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

You're using the term "Taxes" way too generally though. People pay taxes when they're poor, it's just isn't typically Federal Income Taxes though. But the super rich also avoid paying Federal Income taxes as well by getting most of their money through other sources like Capital Gains which are taxed at a lesser rate than Income taxes. So the middle (lower, middle and upper) end up paying the bulk of those taxes.

Then there is sales tax, state tax, etc. These are all paid in different amounts by different wealth classes in different amounts.

You can't just look at who's paying one type of tax and use that one type across all taxes. The poor don't pay income tax because they have no or very little income. The Super Wealthy also don't pay Income tax because they have ways of avoiding that like claiming very little personal income, or capital gains, etc.

The point is you can't just say these people pay the most taxes and use Taxes as a single term because taxes and amounts paid vary a lot with some paying into them and others not and for different reasons.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Simply put, no, it wouldn't work.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

That's because the federal government became way too big and responsible for way too many services.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Have you ever wondered why that is?



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

1% would only generate $187 billion annually. Tell me, how much is our current annual military budget?



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

The US has hundreds of military bases outside the US. How many does Russia have? Less than 4. On top of these, the MIC is charging far too much for military hardware. 187 billion is more than enough to support a high quality national army.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

Because unlike Roman senators who served the people, modern American senators serve themselves. They show off how many bills they made. Bills that increase the power of the federal government beyond the purpose of the federal government as envisioned by the founding fathers.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye
The us spent $135 billion on military salaries alone in 2015, that only leaves $52 billion for everything else.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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Rome was also a corrupt oligarchy plagued with factional infighting in the elite, military rebellion, minority and religious tension and had a massive unsustainable empire. Plus mass civil unrest because it was obvious the elites didn't give two #s about the people.

Actually that sounds almost exactly like America. I say go for it.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

There have been a few changes since the time of the founders that they couldn't envision. That doesn't mean we should keep things the way they were 300 years ago because the men back then couldn't account for them.

Things change. We have to change and make adjustments for those changes too.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Misterlondon

Technology keeps with the times. Back then there were catapults. Now we have tanks. Because technology changed. Tax can still be 1%.


Do you know why tanks cost so much? I'll give you a hint: it's not the materials or labor. It's because the wealthy bastards that produce them can charge basically whatever they want for them. There's no free market capitalism there. Certain companies will be awarded contracts with zero competition.

And that's just tanks. Consider everything else that justifies a near trillion dollar yearly military budget. The masses blindly pay taxes, and the super wealthy essentially have the ATM cards to that super account.

Financial corruption that complex didn't really exist in the Roman Empire to my knowledge. Less people, more transparency. In fact, it's believed that most Roman citizens in the earlier part of the empire had to work TWO days of the year to cover their taxes



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

That includes benefits. Roman service personnel didn't have those kinds of benefits.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

No, it is because the state govs are filled with people that also serve themselves so, state populations are forced to appeal to the feds.

This dawned on me when I learned about territories in the old west. They had even more freedom than those where part of the union. Why would they even bother with becoming a state? There had to be a reason.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:37 PM
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A flat tax is fine witb me, but youre loiking at cliser to 18% than 1%.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Well they have them now so your 1% tax wont work in the present.

What exactly did you think you where proving?



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye
Really?

The army provided little social mobility, and it took a very long time to complete your service; further, you would probably serve abroad, and whilst the pay was not bad, it was nothing special, and many deductions were made from it for food and clothing (RMR, 68, papyrus, Egypt, CE 81 shows so) and there were very harsh disciplinary orders. However, at the same time, the army provided a guaranteed supply of food, doctors, and pay, and it also provided stability. Whilst the pay was not brilliant, it could be supplemented by personal war booty, pay from emperors (normally in their will), also, there was the possibility to progress through the ranks and this had clear monetary benefits.

source



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Vector99

That includes benefits. Roman service personnel didn't have those kinds of benefits.


That's a bit irrelevant, when you consider that even if you slashed the military bill by some $60bn by taking benefits out of the equation, you would still be attempting to run the entire domestic and overseas affairs of the US on a budget of slightly north of $100bn.

For perspective, the total budget of the Department of Agriculture is $160bn.

I put it to you that you don't have the foggiest idea of what you are actually proposing (i.e., running a superpower on peppercorns), or how to implement it (i.e., by sitting back and expecting private enterprise to magically provide everything you've just abolished), or how it could ever work in practice (i.e., never).
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posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

Russia has 13% flat and they are doing remarkable. They have single payer universal coverage. The US has better technology and should be able to accomplish current levels of service with a 10% flat or less. But for that to happen, the US has to tackle corruption and lobbying.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

I don't know if ancient Rome is the empire we should be emulating. They were especially vulnerable to the whims of oligarchs, and set us up for 1500 years of feudalism.

Also, don't forget slavery was a common labor source for public works.

I'm more into ancient Sparta. Socialist badasses. I'm curious what taxes were like in ancient Egypt and China.



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