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Congress goes ahead with sanctions on Russia, bypassing Trump

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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 10:33 PM
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a reply to: Willtell




The same English culture that genocided the NA and enslaved Africans.


If you think the English culture is the only culture to kill people and have slaves you need to read a history book.




The Russians have a better record than the English, imo.


Good thing that is just your opinion.



Not that this has much to do with the issue. A response to your statement, though, was in order.


Ditto.




posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:17 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: allsee4eye
Unlike Russia where the president is a dictator and has all the power, in the US it's the Congress that has the most power. Congress can make laws. Laws are stronger than president's executive orders. The US is founded by English people and uses western culture. Russia is an eastern country that uses Mongolian culture because Russia was ruled by Mongols.

www.cbc.ca...


The same English culture that genocided the NA and enslaved Africans.


Meh, Native American tribes owned slaves before Europeans came. Africans owned slaves before the Europeans came. Hispanics owned slaves before the Europeans came. How do you think all those great Pyramids, Temples, and Cities were built? Contracted construction crews? Europeans didn't do anything different than every other people on the planet have done. Certainly we don't need to go back to those times, but demonizing Europeans over every other group is ignorant at best, propaganda at worst.
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posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

gulags purges and the Russian revolution would disagree with your statement ,no country these days has clean hands



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 12:41 AM
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originally posted by: Bramble Iceshimmer
a reply to: allsee4eye

This may hinder and restrict his options but there is still plenty he can do.

For one he can be slow to respond to Russian military advances.

He can trade and / or support vetos at the UN Security Council.



He also has the option of using the line item veto.
The line-item veto, or partial veto, is a special form of veto that authorizes a chief executive to reject particular provisions of a bill enacted by a legislature without vetoing the entire bill.
Usually reserved to remove pork from bills but could be used in this instance to lighten the effect of the bill.
In my humble opinion it would be harder to get consensus on individual provisions than to override a veto.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:37 AM
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originally posted by: Jiggly
but i thought trump was a dictator?


Well he certainly isn't too happy about that whole 'check and balance' thing that our forefathers put into place.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 03:44 AM
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anyone else find it confounding that the bill only got passed because North Korea was added to sanctions? Yes, thats right, these bozos thought it was more important to levy sanctions against the two powers that are NOT posing the most serious threat to the US and its interests, Russia and Iran and then at the last minute they added NK in there to get more support.

these people are all traitors and should be fired immediately. Playing games with our legislative process and collecting a fat paycheck while doing so and taking 200+ days off of work.

seriously eph these guys. every one that signed, get them out.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

Private investigators. What? You think Democrats are too poor to hire private investigators?



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Willtell

These don't exist. Democrats had investigated Trump for years and they found nothing.



Please show me where Dems have been investigating for years, links please. Trump warned Muller not to investigate his families finances, you don't think there is something fishy there, Okay, then you also probably don't think its fishy that he went on a twitter rampage, and says he can pardon anyone. Oh lord, you people are just so blind. Also I am not butthurt as you people say. I have to laugh, literally at you trump supporters. Its just funny how much damage control you people are willing to do for him, but when you do your damage control, the only thing you are doing is making yourselves look ignorant because its something new and bad all the time with trump

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posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Willtell

Private investigators. What? You think Democrats are too poor to hire private investigators?


Anything obtained by non warranted individuals can be labeled hearsay.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: 3daysgone

Where did I say the English were the only people that has killed people?



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 05:34 PM
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a reply to: TruMcCarthy

I didn't demonize anyone, just responded to someone saying the English were better than Russians.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 05:44 PM
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a reply to: kurthall

Mueller can investigate Trump family's finances all the way back to the 1960s. What does that prove? Trump is an agent of the Russian government? No one seriously believes that.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 10:38 PM
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No where. You just used it to try to make your Russia history is better than USA history opinion. So I pointed out that if that is what you are going on, then you need to learn a little more about Russian history.



posted on Jul, 24 2017 @ 05:58 AM
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EU ready to retaliate against US sanctions on Russia


Brussels is preparing to retaliate against the US if Washington pushes ahead with far-reaching new sanctions on Russia that hit European companies.

Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president, has called for an urgent review of how Brussels should respond if Europe’s energy companies or other businesses are targeted by sanctions under discussion in the US Congress.

According to a note prepared for a commission meeting on Wednesday, and seen by the Financial Times, Brussels “should stand ready to act within days” if the US measures were “adopted without EU concerns being taken into account”.



posted on Jul, 24 2017 @ 10:11 AM
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The EU is desperately trying to get congress to pass these new sanctions against Russia, not just for the sake of an argument against Trump, but for the sake of Trump's impeachment. Germany and France are the biggest sponsors of such sanctions and while in public they seems to disagree, they are actually the creators of these new sanctions and they are doing an unbelievable amount of interference against the US congress, to the point that it has no equals in history.

The trick is that they blame publicly the US for the new sanctions suppressing businessmen protests in the EU simply by blaming the USA , at the same time the calls for impeachment won't cease. Rather, the EUro#ers will take the new sanctions as their victory and continue to press harder for the overthrow of the US government and president.



posted on Jul, 24 2017 @ 10:30 AM
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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 05:57 PM
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Update: The House voted 419-3 today to place more financial sanctions on Russia.

Can't wait for Trump to veto by saying, 'Putin double-pinky promised that he didn't try to influence the election.'



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 07:49 PM
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Hmm, I guess within a few days we'll see the EU following ...



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: links234

Nobody cares about Russia. Trump is president of America, not president of Russia. All eyes on healthcare. That will be where Trump's legacy is.



posted on Jul, 26 2017 @ 07:13 AM
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US draft bill on Russia sanctions: European Commission ready to act to protect European interests

On the basis of a presentation by President Juncker and Vice-President Katainen, the College of Commissioners discussed today the state of play of the US draft Bill on Russia sanctions ("Countering Russian Influence in Europe and Eurasia Act 2017"). Commissioners expressed their concerns notably because of the draft Bill's possible impact on EU energy independence. The Bill as endorsed by the US House of Representatives demonstrates that a number of these concerns are being taken into account. It nevertheless foresees the imposition of sanctions on any company (including European) which contributes to the development, maintenance, modernisation or repair of energy export pipelines by the Russian Federation. Depending on its implementation, this could affect infrastructure transporting energy resources to Europe, for instance the maintenance and upgrade of pipelines in Russia that feed the Ukraine gas transit system. It could also have an impact on projects crucial to the EU's diversification objectives such as the Baltic Liquefied Natural Gas project. While the College underlined the importance of the sanctions regime against Russia and its strict implementation, it expressed concerns about the possible negative political consequences of the draft Bill. As reiterated at the G7 in May, new sanctions should always be coordinated between allies. President Jean-Claude Juncker said: "The EU is fully committed to the Russia sanctions regime. However, G7 unity on sanctions and close coordination among allies are at the heart of ensuring the full implementation of the Minsk Agreements. This is a core objective that the EU and the US share. The US Bill could have unintended unilateral effects that impact the EU's energy security interests. This is why the Commission concluded today that if our concerns are not taken into account sufficiently, we stand ready to act appropriately within a matter of days. America first cannot mean that Europe's interests come last". The EU is currently raising its concerns via all diplomatic channels with the US and its counterparts. The Commission will continue to closely monitor the on-going legislative process in the US and the subsequent implementation of the Bill and will act swiftly if and when needed.

Source


France says U.S. sanctions on Iran, Russia look illegal


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