Consciousness? Help me think

a reply to: Itisnowagain

That's also just wrong. Sorry I respectfully withdraw from discussing with you. We will never see eye to eye.

a reply to: Peeple

How is it wrong? Have you actually just watched the space in which thought arises to see if it is untrue?
You are merely the witness of the ever changing scene - the scene includes everything that appears - everything!
It can be noticed that all that is appearing is moving and changing - the body is moving but that which sees and knows it is changing never moves or changes.

Is there any relationship between the thinker and his thought, or is there only thought and not a thinker? If there are no thoughts there is no thinker. When you have thoughts, is there a thinker? Perceiving the impermanency of thoughts, thought itself creates the thinker who gives himself permanency; so thought creates the thinker; then the thinker establishes himself as a permanent entity apart from thoughts which are always in a state of flux. So, thought creates the thinker and not the other way about. The thinker does not create thought, for if there are no thoughts, there is no thinker. The thinker separates himself from his parent and tries to establish a relationship, a relationship between the so-called permanent, which is the thinker created by thought, and the impermanent or transient, which is thought. So, both are really transient.
Pursue a thought completely to its very end. Think it out fully, feel it out and discover for yourself what happens. You will find that there is no thinker at all. For, when thought ceases, the thinker is not. We think there are two states, as the thinker and the thought. These two states are fictitious, unreal. There is only thought, and the bundle of thought creates the 'me', the thinker.www.jkrishnamurti.org...