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Trump is right. Poor people should be lifted out of poverty.

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posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Enjoy the silence!

Worst case scenario for a stupid thread like this or the moment of fail by design? Could be both though, funny enough.





posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Milton Friedman was a successful economist, but his idea of the welfare system being a dangerous trap was pure ideology with the arguments arranged to fit the conclusion. He was a libertarian and had no concept of improving or restoring the welfare system, only of damaging its credibility in the eyes of the politicians he hoped to influence. One of those was the impressionable Ronald Reagan (who invented the term 'Welfare Queen' to describe a woman who didn't exist, but who he promoted as representing economic ills).

But the one big idea of Friedman's that actually got taken on board in the West was monetarism, and it failed catastrophically and has now been rejected. Friedman's "big idea" - if you can call it that - was the peculiar notion that if you controlled the amount of hard currency in circulation, you could keep inflation at low levels. In other words, if you make cash rarer, prices won't go up so fast. In another age, he would have been prescribing cupping and leeching for pneumonia patients.

If I remember rightly, the clip in your post is from his TV series "Free to Choose", which aired in the early 1980s. There's a very good reason that you can't find more recent footage of an economist expounding the same ideas on national TV, and it's not because Friedman's ideas were so revolutionary that they have been suppressed.
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posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

He's replacing that with apprenticeship programs that work better.

www.cnbc.com...



posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Part of the problem with starting a business is all the regulatory and licensure fees. It's a huge gateway, and half of it is there because the very largest know that while it does hurt them, they can afford to take the hit and it bars new competition from entering their market.

That's what half the fuss over services like Lyft and Uber are about - the cab companies have a nice, cozy racket set up and bars other competition from entering the market without a ton of capitol to back them. It keeps the number of competitors down to where everyone can more or less make nice and keep the racket cushy for everyone without someone finding a way to undercut the market.

But Ubar and Lyft found ways to get around all that and did undercut the cab markets, and those big cab industries were getting hurt and started squealing and complaining that those services should be subjected to all the same rules and regs, meaning they had to join the club and play nice and likely raise their rates to cab racket rates at the same time.

These things bar entry, and it's the exact same impulse that has cops coming along and shutting down corner lemonade stands because some poor little kid didn't buy and license and isn't compliant.


Yeah, my mini-rant didn't mention that, but I was thinking along those lines too. But I hadn't really thought of the regulations as a tool to keep back the competition though. A very good point and worth great consideration if you have to play the game with the big boys (so-to-speak). What I was thinking was that the regulations were just another revenue source for an our greedy governments just like taxes.

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posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Star of irony for you.

1. he allegedly wants many things
2. it's another highly transparent lie, cuz... ya know...
3. read your own source:


President Donald Trump wants to blow out the number of apprentices working for U.S. companies — but it doesn't look like he'll spend the money to do it.


The bold part is the bold part here.
Well. How does it look like then, like a sad joke? You get that, right? Right? ... Right?



posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Throwing money to the problem doesn't always work. Russia has low 13% flat tax and Russia has single payer universal coverage America doesn't have despite spending far more on healthcare than Russia does.



posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 04:34 PM
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I think people should be given enough food, shelter, and medical care so they don't have to steal and hurt other people. That will vary with the individual. It's a lot cheaper than maintaining a highly-armed police force and prisons.



posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Can we leave Russia out of this? To actually pay people a salary works like a charme when you want sh!t to be done.

It's not about throwing money at a problem, but about wanting to "blow out the number of apprentices" with no money to do so. I want everyone not to be poor and don't have the money to do so either. Wait... that's highly presidential!


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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: midnightstar
Back in the late 1960s to mid 1970s Middle class was the main portion of the US population .
But it was all do to the rise of industry after ww 2 The US was the first to learn mass production .
By doing so expensive items like cars and radios became common place and within reach of most people at the same time creating a job market the likes of which had never been seen .
This gave people the ability to demand better wages as there were more jobs then employs .
With the death of industry a slow decline took place now that decline is speeding up as robots take over even fast food joints .
So Trump may want to raise the poor you may hate the fact so many need welfare to live but the job numbers incress are Unsustainable .
The small gain that it really isnt anyway and the jobs all just low low class as well .
Ride the Trump train if you want but he has not built the tracks and the train will run right off them just as fast as its been put on them .
The old days are over midclass will die ( and has already been redefined to 12 $ a hour or more ) that its self is a lie .
Funny thing is we have no choice no matter what Trump does or what you want .What america did in teh 1960ds could not be sustained ether .
after all you can only consume so much and what happens once the market is flooded ? well look at wale world and see the value of what is there .Supply and demand will quickly end profits .
It will quickly get to the point companies are making pennys to the dollar and that is the end .
after all look at a bik 1 $ they make pennies on it


Industry didn't decline - it was given away to the Far East in order to better share the wealth of the world. This was a deal known as the Lima Declaration of 1975. First manufacturing moved to Hong Kong, then Japan, Taiwan and China. It used to be that "Made in Hong Kong" was something we joked about. But in time, each country moved from manufacturing to service industries like imports/exports and manufacturing moved to somewhere else. Shipbuilding was usually the first to go, then automobiles and finally electronics.



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: stormcell

Industry didn't decline - it was given away to the Far East in order to better share the wealth of the world. This was a deal known as the Lima Declaration of 1975. First manufacturing moved to Hong Kong, then Japan, Taiwan and China. It used to be that "Made in Hong Kong" was something we joked about. But in time, each country moved from manufacturing to service industries like imports/exports and manufacturing moved to somewhere else. Shipbuilding was usually the first to go, then automobiles and finally electronics.



More and More, it is the 70s that keep being a key decade when everything started to go downhill
That is the same decade when big multinational corporations collectively went on a campaign to flood Washington DC with lobbyists.

Prior to 1970, do people know who made the majority of politicians?
It consisted of people from unions, from mom and pop business and from small town America.
EVERYONE had someone in DC that represented them
Today, most of Washington DC consist of people that come from high level of Multinational Corporations


It has been a steady downward trend for everyone else and a wealthy uptrend for them



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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Thanks for bringing up the Lima Declaration, it was not something I was aware of:

The Lima Declaration and Plan of Action calls for the redistribution of world industry so that developing countries would have 25% of it by the year 2000. To achieve this, radical changes in traditional concepts and practices are recommended.

Economic growth in poorer countries could no longer be seen as the "trickle down" benefit of growth in rich countries. To close the gap between richa nd poor nations the developing countries would have to grow faster than the developed countries. With this end in mind, the Lima Declaration sets out the "main principles of industrialisation" and defines the "means by which the international community as a whole might take broad action to establish a New International Economic Order".


And there folks was the start of the NWO and Globalism
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