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Donald Trump's lawyers investigating special counsel Robert Mueller's team

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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Xcathdra

No he isn't. Trump just wants that to be the company line on the subject.
Mueller is free to go where ever it leads.


He is - read the letter the Dep AG wrote authored authorizing the special counsel. Mueller is restricted to the testimony Comey gave to Congress and the relationship between the trump campaign and russia.

Not financial business dealings from 2008.

We are seeing leaks from the special counsels office. How much do you want to bet we will see more that includes information unrelated to the investigation.
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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth



He can have Mueller fired and probably will. Under the rules for the special counsel it clearly states that conflict of interest is reason he can be removed.


What conflicts of interest would those be?



www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is comparable to putting Rudy Guilliani in charge of a Special Counsel investigating Hillary Clinton.
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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Xcathdra

You see that line??


Any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation...


I do... now go back and the read the sections prior to the one you quote for the scope of the investigation. Or, if you wish, I can explain it to you.. slowly, so you might understand it.



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: alphabetaone

Actually you do since you have a bad habit of just ignoring things that you dont like, thinking that they dont apply.

Yes - he can fire Bob Mueller. Do some research instead of parroting what MSNBC lies about for their agenda.

I will continue to refute the false info being put out by certain persons on this site in this realm. If you dont like that, I dont really care.



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: Damiel

Donald Trump’s legal team is looking for conflicts of interest among members of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigative team, people with knowledge of the matter said on Thursday.

The revelations come as Mueller’s investigation appears likely to investigate some of the president’s family’s business ties. Attorney Jay Sekulow, a member of the president’s external legal team, told the Associated Press that the lawyers “will consistently evaluate the issue of conflicts and raise them in the appropriate venue”.

Two people with knowledge of that process say those efforts include exploring the political affiliations of Mueller’s investigators and their work history.

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The president himself has publicly challenged Mueller, declaring this week that the former FBI director would be crossing a line if he investigated the president’s personal business ties.

Late on Thursday, the highest-ranking Democrat on the US Senate intelligence committee said reports that Trump was contemplating a pardon for aides that could be implicated in Mueller’s probe were “extremely disturbing”.

Senator Mark Warner was referring to a Washington Post article saying that Trump was consulting with advisers “about his power to pardon aides, family members and even himself”.


Source

A part from smelling ike a desperate seige mentality,
it seems that Trump Senior knows this is going to be very bad for Team Trump.

But that's OK, he's Potus, he can dish out 'get out of jail cards', at will, to the eventual guilty parties.
Even *himself supposedly !

*How can that even be possible, is it legal ?
Is the Potus above the law, untouchable ?
He, the Potus, can pardon himself for wrongdoings ?


You post very similar to another poster that loves italics, bolding and hanging ellipsis.


I'll leave it up to the members to find the irony in this post.
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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth




In terms of conflicts of interest:
2) Mueller has stocked his legal team with people who donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign and Obama's - one even worked for the Clinton foundation
3) Mueller is good friends with a witness and man who has personal animus towards the President
4) One of the people (a Russian) in the Trump Jr meeting actually worked for the FBI under Mueller.


None of those things were unknown at the time of Mueller's appointment, can be verified , like Comehy's supposed animous for Trump, or legally qualify as "conflict of interest".


Conflict of Interest
A term used to describe the situation in which a public official or fiduciary who, contrary to the obligation and absolute duty to act for the benefit of the public or a designated individual, exploits the relationship for personal benefit, typically pecuniary.


You're basically asserting that Mueller, who was the FBI director for 12 years, took the position of Special Counsel under false pretenses, because he's sore he didn't get the FBI Director job. He never had any intention of representing public interest, but took the job so that he could help his friend, Comey, and other Democrats, get even because they're still sore they lost the election.

That absurd logic may sell to low IQ hard core Trumpsters, but it won't sell to those who matter.




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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:24 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra



Yes - he can fire Bob Mueller. Do some research instead of parroting what MSNBC lies about for their agenda.


Yes, he certainly has that power. Do you think he will? Do think it would be a wise thing for him to do?

Personally, I hope he does. I hope he fires everyone that doesn't contribute to his echo chamber. I hope he keeps tweeting and giving interviews!



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: windword

The special counsel is subject to the same conflict of interest clause that applies to the DOJ and FBI.

DOJ - Ethics Handbook for On and Off-Duty Conduct

DOJ - Conflicts


Financial Conflicts

An employee is prohibited from participating in any matter in which he has a financial interest. In addition to an employee's own financial interest, certain interests are considered his (“imputed” to him), such as those of his spouse, minor children and business partners. However, an employee may participate in such a matter if he has a waiver.

18 U.S.C. § 208 (link is external)and 5 C.F.R. § 2635.401-403 (see Subpart D - Conflicting Financial Interest).

An employee may be covered by a general waiver, called a regulatory exemption, for holdings in a diversified mutual fund, certain employee benefit plans and interests in securities up to $15,000 in a matter with parties and $25,000 in matters without specific parties. 5 C.F.R. § 2640.101-206. In addition, an employee may be granted an individual waiver by his Component Head when it is determined that his interest is not so substantial as to affect the integrity of his services to the Government. 5 C.F.R. § 2640.301-304. Here are sample individual waivers.

In addition to an exemption or an individual waiver, other remedies for a financial conflict include disqualification and divestiture of the interest. If an employee is directed to divest his interest, he may be eligible for a Certificate of Divestiture from the Office of Government Ethics. Here is a sample request for a Certificate of Divestiture.

5 C.F.R. § 2634.1001-1004 (see Subpart J - Certificates of Divestiture)
Personal Conflicts

Generally, an employee should seek advice from an ethics official before participating in any matter in which her impartiality could be questioned. An employee may not participate, without authorization, in a particular matter having specific parties that could affect the financial interests of members of her household or where one of the following is a party or represents a party:

Someone with whom an employee has or is seeking employment, or a business, contractual or other financial relationship;

A relative with whom an employee has a close relationship;

A present or prospective employer of a spouse, parent or child; or

An organization which an employee now serves or has served, as an employee or in another capacity, within the past year.

If a conflict of interest exists, in order for the employee to participate in the matter the head of the employee's component, with the concurrence of an ethics official, must make a determination that the interest of the government in the employee's participation outweighs the concern that a reasonable person may question the integrity of the Department's programs and operations. The determination must be made in writing. Here are samples of 502 determinations.

5 C.F. R. § 2635.501 - 503 (Subpart E - Impartiality in Performing Official Duties)

In addition to the impartiality regulation, 28 C.F.R. § 45.2 prohibits a DOJ employee, without written authorization, from participating in a criminal investigation or prosecution if he has a personal or political relationship with any person or organization substantially involved in the conduct that is the subject of the investigation or prosecution, or any person or organization which he knows has a specific and substantial interest that would be directly affected by the outcome of the investigation or prosecution.

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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth




In terms of conflicts of interest:
2) Mueller has stocked his legal team with people who donated to Hillary Clinton's campaign and Obama's - one even worked for the Clinton foundation
3) Mueller is good friends with a witness and man who has personal animus towards the President
4) One of the people (a Russian) in the Trump Jr meeting actually worked for the FBI under Mueller.


None of those things were unknown at the time of Mueller's appointment, can be verified , like Comehy's supposed animous for Trump, or legally qualify as "conflict of interest".


Conflict of Interest
A term used to describe the situation in which a public official or fiduciary who, contrary to the obligation and absolute duty to act for the benefit of the public or a designated individual, exploits the relationship for personal benefit, typically pecuniary.


You're basically asserting that Mueller, who was the FBI director for 12 years, took the position of Special Counsel under false pretenses, because he's sore he didn't get the FBI Director job. He never had any intention of representing public interest, but took the job so that he could help his friend, Comey, and other Democrats, get even because they're still sore they lost the election.

That absurd logic may sell to low IQ hard core Trumpsters, but it won't sell to those who matter.





None of the above was known broadly when he took the job, especially his Clinton backing appointees that he would later install.
You don't have to prove conflict of interest to remove the Special Counsel. It was set up so as to avoid the risk of partisanship in the investigation and that aim is now compromised.

See the above post to correct your misunderstand of what constitutes conflict of interest. Hopefully it will serve to raise your IQ.
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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:36 AM
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None of the above was known broadly when he took the job, especially his Clinton backing appointees that he would later install.


It didn't need to be known "broadly". It was known by the DOJ, Session and Rosenstein, who appointed him and outlined his mission and his jurisdiction. Rosenstein even granted Mueller a waiver because he worked for the firm that represents Kushner. And, Clinton isn't backing the appointees. A majority of the country backed Clinton during the election. She won the popular vote. You can't eliminate people based on their political leanings.



You don't have to prove conflict of interest to remove the Special Counsel.


Probably not. But it would help to have a good reason.



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra


What's Mueller and his teams "financial" interest in this investigation?



if he has a personal or political relationship with any person or organization substantially involved in the conduct that is the subject of the investigation or prosecution, or any person or organization which he knows has a specific and substantial interest that would be directly affected by the outcome of the investigation or prosecution.


How does this apply to Mueller?



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:41 AM
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a reply to: windword

Clinton won the popular vote in the states she won. Trump won the popular vote in the states he won. The US does not have a national popular vote, we use the electoral college, which Clinton lost. We know she lost the electoral college, and we know the mythical "popular vote" doesnt matter, because Clinton is still not president.

As for the special counsel the people he hired is grounds to remove him. His relationship with Comey is grounds to remove him.



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:41 AM
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a reply to: windword

The fact you even had to ask the question is concerning.
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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra


The fact that you refuse to answer is concerning.



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra



As for the special counsel the people he hired is grounds to remove him.


What's wrong with people he hired? They're Democrats? Wouldn't it be just as bad if he hired Trump supporters? Are there no Republican's on Mueller's team?



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Xcathdra


The fact that you refuse to answer is concerning.


It has been answered time and again. The next step is for people to actually read and understand the conflict of interest.

* - NPR - New Russia Special Counsel Has Yet to Undergo Conflicts Check

* - Mueller’s Background Brings Potential Conflicts Of Interest Into Russia Probe

* - Tru mp's lawyers look for conflicts of interest among Mueller’s investigators amid a legal team shakeup

In addition it applies to his team as well. Please tell me you are not suggesting a former DOJ attorney, who was fired by the President, who bragged about forcing the president to fire him, can be impartial.



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Xcathdra



As for the special counsel the people he hired is grounds to remove him.


What's wrong with people he hired? They're Democrats? Wouldn't it be just as bad if he hired Trump supporters? Are there no Republican's on Mueller's team?



No - we come back to that whole conflict of interest thing that people dont seem to grasp.



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra


Because it's a bogus argument! LOL



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Xcathdra


The fact that you refuse to answer is concerning.


It has been answered time and again. The next step is for people to actually read and understand the conflict of interest.

* - NPR - New Russia Special Counsel Has Yet to Undergo Conflicts Check


Oh the irony! HAHA!


* - Mueller’s Background Brings Potential Conflicts Of Interest Into Russia Probe

* - Tru mp's lawyers look for conflicts of interest among Mueller’s investigators amid a legal team shakeup


This is a blatantly invented narrative, created by Trump's team of lawyers!


In addition it applies to his team as well. Please tell me you are not suggesting a former DOJ attorney, who was fired by the President, who bragged about forcing the president to fire him, can be impartial.


Who is that? Comey? Comey never bragged that he forced Trump to fire him! And, Comey is a witness, his impartiality isn't important.



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: alphabetaone

Actually you do since you have a bad habit of just ignoring things that you dont like, thinking that they dont apply.

Yes - he can fire Bob Mueller. Do some research instead of parroting what MSNBC lies about for their agenda.

I will continue to refute the false info being put out by certain persons on this site in this realm. If you dont like that, I dont really care.


I didn't ignore a damn thing. Seriously, what is wrong with you?

Part (b) of that document states clearly that Mueller is authorized to conduct investigation that was confirmed by then FBI director James Comey as a part of the order that investigations be conducted under 3915-2017. There is ZERO mention of limiting the scope of it, and in fact, by adding a subpart of any links is ensuring the scope could be expanded.

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