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Jesus never died for my sins because I was never a Jew under The Jewish Law of Moses

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posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 12:28 PM
a reply to: lightofgratitude

If Yehoshua 'Jesus Christ' has not died for your sins then you are under condemnation, it is written all who repent and believe upon the Son of God are called the children of Abraham and so the covenant apply to them and they can be counted with the tribes of Israel.

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posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 03:04 PM

originally posted by: lightofgratitude
The Law of Moses was given to "The Children of Israel", not Gentiles, so since I was never under The Jewish Law, then Jesus cannot die for my sins of that law.

I am under The Law of Christ,
"In everything, do unto others as you would have them do to you, for this is The Law and The Prophets." - Matthew 7:12

Jesus is The Way, The Truth, and The Life. Jesus is The Word of God and Image of God who is sinless.

Can you actually be sure you were never under Jewish law? Here's your problem.

Can you actually go back 3000 years in your family history and say none of your forefathers was a Jew or a Christian? If not you cannot make that statement.

Per the Law given to Moses it was binding on all the Jews present in the desert and their descendants. So the first hurdle you must pass is that none of your ancestors had a drop of Jew/Israelite in them. If so you are a liar.

The second test is that you and none of your ancestors can be a Christian. Why? Romans 11. Per the olive tree parable a Christian is an adopted Israelite. The olive tree is the family tree of Jacob/Israel. When you became a Christian you also became an Israelite. There is no way to pass that test.

posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 11:55 PM
According to Paul. I don't believe everything Paul says.

Jesus is not The Jewish Messiah.

Jesus is The Christ.

Jesus went against Jewish beliefs and performed healings on The Sabbath because he was our Christ not their messiah.

posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 06:23 AM

originally posted by: Plotus
I'll refer to John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Seems all inclusive .....BELIEVES..... the key.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”—John 3:16, King James Version.

That is one of the best-known and most widely quoted texts in the entire Bible. It has been said that no other verse “so succinctly summarizes God’s relationship with humanity and the way of salvation.”

Verse 36 makes it more clear what is meant with the Greek word that has been translated to "believeth in" (KJ) and "believes" in your choice of translation.

International Standard Version

The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

Notice the contrast put between "believes in" and "disobeys"? Remember that these are translations of the Greek that John used. Similarly the bolded word is translated as "doesn't obey/does not obey" in the NLT, ESV, NASB and as "obeyeth not" in the ASV, ERV to name just a few examples.

Let us see how the Bible explains the reason for Jesus’ death and its value.


All mankind is mortal, subject to the scourge of sickness, old age, and death. Yet that is not what Jehovah God originally purposed. He gave the first humans the prospect of living forever in a paradise on earth. But there was one condition: They had to obey him. God said that if they chose not to, they would die. (Genesis 2:17) The first man did indeed rebel against God’s authority, and he brought death upon himself and his offspring. “Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned,” explains the apostle Paul.—Romans 5:12.

God, however, “loves justice.” (Psalm 37:28) Even though he could not ignore the deliberate act of transgression on the part of the first man, God has not condemned all humanity to suffering and death forever on account of one man’s disobedience. On the contrary, by applying the legal principle of “life for life,” he has balanced the scales of justice and made everlasting life possible once again for obedient humans. (Exodus 21:23)

Going back to John 3:16, we note the words “whosoever believeth in [Jesus] should not perish, but have everlasting life.” This means that gaining the gift of everlasting life is conditional. If we are to “have everlasting life,” we need to believe in Jesus and obey him.

You might wonder: ‘How is obeying involved? Did Jesus not say that “whosoever believeth in him” will have everlasting life?’ Yes, belief, or faith, is essential. However, it is important to remember that in the Bible, faith is much more than simply believing. According to Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, the word used by John in the original language signifies “reliance upon, not mere credence.” In order to have God’s favor, one needs more than a mental recognition that Jesus is the Savior. The believer must also sincerely endeavor to apply what Jesus taught. If there is no action, any profession of faith is hollow. “Faith without works is dead,” says the Bible. (James 2:26) Put another way, what is required of the believer is that he exercise faith in Jesus—that is, he must live in accord with his belief and faith.

Paul explains the point this way: “The love the Christ has compels us, because this is what we have concluded, that one man [Jesus] died for all . . . And he died for all so that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for him who died for them and was raised up.” (2 Corinthians 5:14, 15) Sincere gratitude for Jesus’ sacrifice should move us to make changes in our life—from selfishly living for ourselves to living for Jesus, who died for us. That is to say, we need to give priority in our lives to practicing what Jesus taught. Such a change will necessarily affect our values, our choices, and everything we do. What will be the reward for those who do believe and exercise faith in Jesus?


Source: What God Has Done for You

John 3:16,36 (New World Translation)

16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
36 The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.

In the quotations below "RS" stands for Revised Standard Version, "NW" is the New World Translation (2012 edition).

Once a person is saved, is he always saved?
Is anything more than faith needed in order to gain salvation?

Eph. 2:8, 9, RS: “By grace [“undeserved kindness,” NW] you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God—not because of works, lest any man should boast.” (The entire provision for salvation is an expression of God’s undeserved kindness. There is no way that a descendant of Adam can gain salvation on his own, no matter how noble his works are. Salvation is a gift from God given to those who put faith in the sin-atoning value of the sacrifice of his Son.)

Heb. 5:9, RS: “He [Jesus] became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.” (Italics added.) (Does this conflict with the statement that Christians are “saved through faith”? Not at all. Obedience simply demonstrates that their faith is genuine.)

Jas. 2:14, 26, RS: “What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.” (A person does not earn salvation by his works. But anyone who has genuine faith will have works to go with it—works of obedience to the commands of God and Christ, works that demonstrate his faith and love. Without such works, his faith is dead.)

Acts 16:30, 31, RS: “‘Men, what must I do to be saved?’ And they [Paul and Silas] said, ‘Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.’” (If that man and his household truly believed, would they not act in harmony with their belief? Certainly.)

Source: Salvation: Reasoning
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posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 08:27 AM
No one needs to be saved. You were made in the image and likeness of God. Does God need to be saved? No.

Sin leads to death,
But righteousness leads to life everlasting.

Stop hating people and learn to love and understand.

No one needs to be saved, only to remember The Truth and Love .

posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 11:08 AM
a reply to: lightofgratitude

Except, I can't sin against The Law of Moses since it was never given to me, only The Jews ("Children of Israel"), so I don't need a get out of hell free card since I was not in a part of the deal (Jewish covenant).

That is not how the system works. The very instant that you are aware that something is a sin then that something is a sin. That is how the system works with God. When the flood was gone and Noah's family began a new life, they were given seven laws to govern the new world.

1. Do not deny God.
2. Do not blaspheme God.
3. Do not murder.
4. Do not engage in illicit sexual relations.
5. Do not steal.
6. Do not eat from a live animal.
7. Establish courts/legal system to ensure obedience to said laws.

These laws were included in the ten commands of God to the Hebrews along with the Laws of Moses. Moses was given the power to make his civil laws to control his people. Most people are not aware that there were two groups of laws. One was the commands of God and the other the ordinances of Moses.

1 I am the Lord thy God.
2 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
3 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4 Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy.
5 Honor thy Father and Mother.
6 Thou shalt not murder.
7 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8 Thou shalt not steal.
9 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10 Thou shalt not covet.

The ten commands of the Hebrew covenant does not supersede the seven commands given to Noah nor do the seven commands effect the ten commands. Remember that the Hebrews had the seven commands when they then accepted the ten commands. The ordinances of Moses were called the Mosaic laws but were only in effect as they were needed. They could and were changed as the cultures changed. In fact as the cultures became more civilized the ordinances became less restrictive. Jesus ushered in the gift of forgiveness where as Moses had no forgiveness of the same sin. Actually Jesus did not change the commands of His Father but did change the ordinances of some of the punishments of the laws of Moses. The commandments never change even though forgiveness is possible. There is also a limit in forgiveness.

Actually the seven commands given to Noah were not a covenant. They were a command to the human race as to how to behave. The ten commands were an agreement between the Hebrew tribes and God. It was a contract or covenant and within that contract was the fact that Moses would act as a god to the people. In other words Moses was a mediator between God and man.

It all boils down to one thing. If you choose the seven laws then you are bound by those commands given to the human race and if you choose the ten laws then you are bound by the ten commands plus the ordinances of that covenant. If you do not accept either then you are not a candidate for the kingdom of heaven. There is no political correctness or wiggling out of making a choice.

posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 11:17 AM
a reply to: Seede

The wicked Noahide Laws. They want to put these everywhere and get rid of homosexuals and True Christians who follow Jesus Christ and know that we are God's (John 10:34).

Their God has caused them to blasphemy and harm Christ.

"Thou shalt not murder", unless it's a homosexual or a follower of Christ.

posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 11:24 AM
Proverbs 4:13
13 Hold on to discipline; do not let it go.
Safeguard it, for it means your life.

Hebrews 12:11
11 True, no discipline seems for the present to be joyous, but it is painful;* [Or “grievous.”] yet afterward, it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

James 3:14, 15
14 But if you have bitter jealousy and contentiousness* [Or possibly, “selfish ambition.”] in your hearts, do not be bragging and lying against the truth. 15 This is not the wisdom that comes down from above; it is earthly, animalistic, demonic.

Proverbs 27:5,6
5 Open reproof is better than concealed love.
6 The wounds inflicted by a friend are faithful,
But an enemy’s kisses are plentiful.

Proverbs 26:22-25
The words of a slanderer are like tasty morsels;
They are gulped right down into the stomach.
23 Like a silver glazing over a piece of earthenware
Are affectionate words from an evil heart.
24 The one who hates others disguises it with his lips,
But inside he harbors deceit.
25 Although he speaks graciously, do not trust him,
For there are seven detestable things in his heart.* [Or “For his heart is completely detestable.”]

Romans 16:17
17 Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them.

Proverbs 3:30
30 Do not quarrel with a man for no reason
If he has done nothing bad to you.

Proverbs 16:27,28
27 A worthless man digs up what is bad;
His speech is like a scorching fire.
28 A troublemaker* causes dissension, [Or “A schemer.”]
And a slanderer separates close friends.

Proverbs 17:14-16
14 Beginning a fight is like opening a floodgate;
Before the quarrel breaks out, take your leave.
15 Anyone who acquits the wicked one and anyone who condemns the righteous one
—Both of them are detestable to Jehovah.
16 What good is it that the stupid one has the means to acquire wisdom
When he has no heart for acquiring it?* [Or “When he is lacking good sense?”]

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