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originally posted by: agenda51
a reply to: TacSite18
so do you think insurance should be mandated by the federal government?
originally posted by: agenda51
a reply to: TacSite18
so after all the shenanigans that the government has conducted in to basically rip off the taxpayer to pay for this hidden single payer system you believe that they will just do the right thing and provide more care for less and not mandate everyone.
I am not trying to set you up here I am just having a little trouble with this blind faith you seem to have. We know our government is corrupt. We know corporations are greedy. W e know they are in cahoots to basically extort the typical tax payer. So where is the justification to give them more power to do so? I dont get it. You're practically endorsing extortion of the american populace.
originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: agenda51
You are getting ripped off now. We who have single payer healthcare pay less and get better healthcare then you in the states.
originally posted by: agenda51
a reply to: TacSite18
No straw man or cross examination here.... just trying to understand your way of thinking.
I dont know what the solution is either other than taking the government out of healthcare as much as possible and having more competition in the free market to make your own choices. If the government were on our side they would be busting up corporations that get so big and so powerful they can basically buy political parties. Problem is as it stands both the right and the left basically work for these corporations.
this is why trump was elected. We basically needed someone who was not right or left and was on the side of the American populace.
originally posted by: BlueAjah
originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: agenda51
You are getting ripped off now. We who have single payer healthcare pay less and get better healthcare then you in the states.
Do you mean this kind of health care?
Charlie Gard's life support will be removed after his parents lose their final appeal
Sorry, but that does not cut it either. Under most US insurance plans today, a company would quit paying for anything but basic life support when the doc said no hope of recovery. Yes, the child would live for a few years, but eventually shrivel up and die. Before ACA, most policies had lifetime caps that would have pulled the plug on payment long ago, leaving the choice up to the parents to foot the whole bill for even basic life support, for what is regrettably a baby with no hope of regaining and thoughts, sight, or conscious life.
No thank you.
originally posted by: agenda51
a reply to: TacSite18
biggest problem is your centralizing all of the power reguarding health care to one place... and that place being the US government at that. I wont go through the long list of incidences where the Federal government has abused its power over the populace but I am sure you get where I am coming from. Personally i think they are the last ones who should have that kind of power.
My belief is the more decentralized, the more options, the more approaches to health care the better. Co-ops, health savings, catastopic plans etc. etc. Lots of options...lots of competition. One centralized broad application will never succeed because there are just too many variables.
Besides that i see zero evidence that corruption has done nothing but grow bigger and gotten even bolder as governmnet control has increased through the years. You may trust a paticular program under a peticular administration but the next administration could bring you to your knees and through out some BS like "elections have consequences". which is code words for screw you populace I won and its my turn to rape you.
originally posted by: agenda51
a reply to: amazing
seems fair that you want something for your money put in but its not reality. That money is gone and was stolen from the american populace. Follow the money if you want to know where it all went. Thinking universal health care will somehow give you back what you put in is not going to do anything but throw future generations into more debt than we/they already have.
Its like giving crack to a drug addict so they will go straight and get their lives together.
You can draw all kinds of paralells to things like social security, NAFTA etc. etc. all which have been disasters and only ended up leaving the american populace with the short end of the stick while being told by the mafia how great everything is. Meanwhile we are around 20trillion in debt with a very horendous future ahead for both us and future generations of Americans.
this again his the entire point why we put Trump in Office and why he will stay there.
originally posted by: agenda51
a reply to: TacSite18
all that and yet you still want to let them take more control?
originally posted by: agenda51
a reply to: TacSite18
all that and yet you still want to let them take more control?