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President Trump and Republicans are Now in Charge of ObamaCare....THEY OWN IT.

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posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

The Republicans were against Obama, but at the time it was put through, the Democrats owned a filibuster proof majority in both houses of Congress. Then they passed it on reconciliation rules in the Senate to bypass any holdouts ... from their own party!

Say what you will about Democrats, but they *never* have defectors unlike the Republicans who are miserable with them. Collins, Murkowski and Capito-Moore might as well tell the world they're switching parties except Democrats much prefer them as Republicans.

No, I place the blame for this on Congressional Republicans. For 8 years, they said they needed the House to do it. Then they said they needed the Senate. Then they said they needed the presidency too in order to do it. During that time, they passed several repeal bills through the House and Senate to send to Obama. All that time they looked at us, lied to us about how they were going to replace Obamacare as soon as we gave them that control ...

And now it appears they never, ever intended to make good on that promise, and that's why I have been saying what I have. They have been using it for votes and want to keep doing it. They're treating us like Democrats treat certain segments of their own base .... promise, promise, promise and never, ever make good.
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posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: diggindirt




I disagree with your "kindergarten morality." Kindergartners don't generally care about money. They would make everything free....that's because they have no concept of economic reality. Apparently, the Dems are indeed using a kindergarten mentality.... This whole issue is about money. It's about handing money over to bureaucrats, piles of them, to determine how we are to be provided health care. That puts about half a dozen people between a doctor and their patient. That is immoral.


You already hand stack of $$$ to privatized socialism that determines courses of treatment, when and where you are treated and by who. And yes these are bureaucrats too, but private ones. So they are better?

What is your point?

Other countries seem to have somewhat solved this problem.

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posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

I do think that allowing the states to negotiate with the medical community(including pharma) on prices needs to be done.I think the states would do a better job than the government.


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posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: buckwhizzle

Heck, at this rate, the crazy homeless dude on the corner would do a better job than Congress.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:09 PM
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Trump LOL. How does he "OWN" it when he directed the IRS not to enforce the mandate?

If anything Trump went it alone and took out the extortion aspect the best he could.

Personally I am glad Bailout 2.0 did not pass. Democrats voted this in and hung themselves with it. Biden was right .... it was a big Effin deal! So big it buried the entire party to the point of irrelevance.

will it get fixed... doubtful. Not until every corrupt politician has their piece of the cake and its a very large demographic. Then we will have a new scam put into its place. I think the republicans will let it implode and push it to another election in an attempt to remove Trump and get single payer put in its place by the next president from the left.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: buckwhizzle

The states are govt.

And I think the states are the perfect place to test new systems. But at the same time we already have a govt medical system that should be expanded to everyone.

Medical savings accounts are a joke.
ACA is a joke.

If I look around the world there are solutions.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Do you honestly believe that people were dropping dead 8 years ago because they had no insurance? Obama care was snuck through in the middle of the night... a new tax for Americans, a government bailout. Why the hell would our government need a bailout? Wasteful spending? Just shaking my head



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:14 PM
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a reply to: Damiel


Damiel, ObamaCare could be simple if it wasn't +20,000 pages worth of rules and regulations. The basic concept is sound, but millions of words were not needed to accomplish something so basic. Nor would it would have necessary to FORCE people to buy ObamaCare, if it was a good program. The architects knew that it was horrible..they designed it that way so it would implode and lead to "single-payer".

I can tell you horror stories, but it would take the rest of the night.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:17 PM
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originally posted by: DanteGaland
a reply to: Arnie123

And the GOP amended the ACA over 150 times.

Why are they BITCHING so much? Their hands are ALL OVER the ACA.


I don't believe it. Link(s)/proof/documentation please?



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

True but republicans had to try. There really isnt any question now that both parties are basically out to do in the american populace. Most on the left should know by know but they have such a childish outlook on the world they think it would have worked in their favor if they would have been allowed to put a communist in as president LOL. Republicans basically said the hell with the party we are putting in a non politician. Still doesnt work. All it shows is that our government and those in the shadows controlling it have gone so far off the rails that we are the closest we have ever been to the end game.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed


I remember seeing local liberal news articles about all the little babies who would starve and die horrible deaths when the newly elected Governor of Wisconsin (Governor Scott Walker) pushed to cut benefits to moms having babies for dollars.

Five years later, he's now hailed as a strong, fiscally responsible leader who is improving the state budget and avoiding income tax increases.

The single-parent families adjusted, or moved out of state.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:32 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

If the ACA was not put into effect, we would still be up chip crick with out a paddle.


Our system is destined to inflate, bubble and pop.

The US system of capitalism and affordable care cannot exist in the same market.



Because every state had different health insurance laws before ObamaCare, people in some states had more or fewer choices than in others.

Here in Illinois, the sickest people enrolled in the Federal/State subsidized Blue Cross high-risk pool. The poorest people enrolled in Medicaid. 87% of state citizens who didn't have health insurance through the job, purchased reasonably priced good quality health insurance. (Reasonable by TODAY's standards. i.e. 30 Year old = $175 a month.)



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:37 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: diggindirt




I disagree with your "kindergarten morality." Kindergartners don't generally care about money. They would make everything free....that's because they have no concept of economic reality. Apparently, the Dems are indeed using a kindergarten mentality.... This whole issue is about money. It's about handing money over to bureaucrats, piles of them, to determine how we are to be provided health care. That puts about half a dozen people between a doctor and their patient. That is immoral.




You already hand stack of $$$ to privatized socialism that determines courses of treatment, when and where you are treated and by who. And yes these are bureaucrats too, but private ones. So they are better?

What is your point?

Other countries seem to have somewhat solved this problem.


No, I don't hand stacks of $$$ to anyone except my doc and the laboratories he uses. I don't have health care insurance and I pay the fine each year. Private insurance companies want me to pay them a few bucks shy of $10k/yr. to insure me. This---despite the fact that I am a healthy, sterile female. In the 30 or so years that I did have health insurance, I met their deductible only 4 times; childbirth, hysterectomy and cataract surgery. Before Obamacare I had a high deductible, catastrophic coverage policy that was less expensive because there was no chance of their having to pay out maternity benefits. Those policies don't exist anymore so I'm put in a box with all the unhealthy, uncaring people of my age bracket (60-65) which means that my yearly insurance premium would be far higher than the money I actually expend on health care in a single year. My actual health care costs/yr. don't add up to even half of what the insurance companies wanted me to pay. And when my doc and I make health care decisions, we are the only ones making those decisions. He doesn't have to check with anyone before giving me treatment or ordering tests. And he doesn't have to wait 60-90 days to get paid for his services.
The sad thing is that he's seriously considering retiring from his medical practice. He's a lifelong Democrat but finally admitted to me last week that the Obamacare/Medicare/Medicaid fiasco is going to drive a lot of good physicians out of the business. It has already driven out the independent physicians for the most part.
I don't know about you but I'm not really comfortable with a doc who sees upwards of 40 patients a day by contract.
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posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:46 PM
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originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: DanteGaland




Try LISTENING to her entire speech. The ACA was available for public review at the time her words were taken out of context. Deny partisan ignorance bro.


Okay. To deny partisan what about Obama's remark? Was it just a lie, or did he just not know?


A chief ACA/ObamaCare Architect, Jonathan Gruber, met with President Obama 21 times while the bill was being drafted.

For those who don't know, here is a sample of just 3 proudly-delivered statements that were recorded during his speeches to groups after the PPACA passed...

""Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. "And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.""

"""If CBO scored the [individual] mandate as taxes, the bill dies," Gruber said. 

"If you had a law that made it explicit that healthy people are going to pay in and sick people are going to get subsidies, it would not have passed," he added.""

Source: thehill.com...
(The liberal media started faulting ObamaCare when it was beginning to implode, early 2014.)

I'm sure Gruber, Obama, and a host of others are quietly laughing at the suckers who, even now, are fighting to keep this genius of a Ponzi-scheme alive!



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



The first to die will be the really sick people who will lose their health insurance


Newsflash- our insanely expensive, criminal health care system was killing thousands of people a year before Obamacare and Republicans didn't give a damn. What makes you think they will care now?


What? America's healthcare system wasn't killing thousands of people. Wealthier people and royalty were coming TO AMERICA for the best treatment the world had to offer!



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
No, I place the blame for this on Congressional Republicans. For 8 years, they said they needed the House to do it. Then they said they needed the Senate. Then they said they needed the presidency too in order to do it.

I hear ya, but ...

There are people wearing the (R) behind their names who should be wearing (I)s, at best, or (D)s. We all know it. We refer to them as RINOs.

This is what it feels like to be held hostage. LOL



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: Iscool

originally posted by: carewemust
July 18, 2017

I'm a big fan of President Trump, but he is WRONG when he said today:

""And I think we're probably in that position where we'll let Obamacare fail. We're not going to own it. I'm not going to own it," Trump said. "I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it. We'll let Obamacare fail and then the Democrats are going to come to us.""

Full Story: nation.foxnews.com...


The unAffordable Care Act may have President Obama's name attached to it, but the Captain of U.S.S. ObamaCare right now is President Trump.. and the Republican Majority in Congress are his Navigators.

U.S.S. ObamaCare is beyond "listing" in the ocean. It is now starting to SINK. The first to die will be the really sick people who will lose their health insurance on 12/31/2017.

Democrats and the Liberal Media will place the human carnage squarely on the backs of the Trump administration, and the Republican-led Congress. AND THEY WILL BE RIGHT...unfortunately. I think President Trump knows this. He shouldn't play a high-stakes game of "chicken" with Democrats, when American lives are at stake.

-CareWeMust


You couldn't be more wrong...Obamacare belongs to the Democrats...This is their baby...They knew it would fail...They wanted it to fail...They figured a Democrat would be the current President and they could slide right into 'single payer' due to the failure...

Thankfully there will be no single payer this time around...And you can blame Trump all you want for Obama and the Democrat's failure but it won't fly...This is their baby...


We disagree on where the ultimate 2017-2018 responsibility for success or failure will fall.

But I did read last week that President Obama NOW wishes that his name wasn't attached to this trillion dollar Ponzi scheme. The Republicans could do him a favor and put ObamaCare out of its misery, if they had the integrity to follow-through on their #1 campaign promise.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: buckwhizzle
Hannity ripped the Republicans in his opening monologue tonight.He did a good job.Anyways,he showed a clip from a previous night with a dr. Josh Umbehr who operated a co-op where patients were paying $50 a month directly to them for coverage.So I looked him up and here is what he says:

www.theobjectivestandard.com...

I am still reading it,but I figured I might as well throw it against the wall and,well you know.


I've heard Sean Hannity praising Josh Umbehr and his Co-op system for months now. Depending on the top dollar limit for medical care under his system, the flat $51 @ month premium for the medical care, and prescription the discounts, could be worthwhile.

Here is his website: atlas.md...


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posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 11:11 PM
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a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o




The best solution, is to either make them take the healthcare they arrange for us, or let us have the same healthcare that they get.


Personally I would vote for anyone that was
calling for this. You notice how this and term limits
and how much they get paid never seems to come
up when they are campaigning. Our government is
a joke and we are fools to believe they have
americas best interest at heart.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 11:29 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: dragonridr

The Republicans were against Obama, but at the time it was put through, the Democrats owned a filibuster proof majority in both houses of Congress. Then they passed it on reconciliation rules in the Senate to bypass any holdouts ... from their own party!



This is a valuable history lesson! I didn't know that the Democrats held a Filibuster-proof majority in the House and Senate. Nor did I know that concern over last minute traitors/defectors (like Repubs are seeing now!) is WHY Democrats used "reconciliation" rules to pass the PPACA.

If I recall, Democrats passed as much as they legally could, using reconciliation. That's why the original bill was "only" 2,700 pages. Most of the Public, Congress, and Justices still wouldn't read it, according to:
www.washingtonexaminer.com...

HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius continually added rules, and even rules to further define prior rules, to swell the bill up to over 20,000 freakin pages!




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