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Hillary or Trump or Jeb or Bernie or the Stay Puft Marshmallow man, I don't care. The point isn't who is there as the token figure head. That person is reviled regardless. It's the puppet masters behind the scenes that matter.
originally posted by: seasonal
Wrong, it does matter.
If Hillary the faint was elected, they could get into into all sorts of battles and pissing matches.
Now, they are just flat footed and exposed. No plan, no leadership (other than TPTB) and no way to get anything done. The real leaders do not want a affordable usable plan for Americans. And they will do ANYTHING to stop it.
originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Arnie123
"strangers" stop caring when it is $5,000 for chemo (in the US) one time, plus administering it.
Our system is going to collapse if the clowns we elect do mot get this done.
originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Ineilio
Do you think success is something that is the goal?
Hillary would have fit the repubs (lazy assed approach). THEY HAVE NO PLAN. And they could have had the pleasant banter with Hillary. The repubs could have claimed "she is a leftist" and Hillary could say "they are pro life conservatives". It would have worked out so well, the charade would have been so easy.
The Repubs lost a bluff, they wanted the chance to repeal and they aint got the gonads.
originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: ketsuko
They will not fix it because they are being paid not to. Being "good" or "bad" does not enter into the equation. The lobbying is what matters. And don't forget the jobs on the boards of huge corps after the congressmen "serve".
From the snap shot I see today, the only way this changes is when it crashes. The fact that the repubs can't even repeal the ACA is telling.
originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: dragonridr
Obama also had 59 senators. Reps only have 52.
You couldn't be more wrong...Obamacare belongs to the Democrats...This is their baby...They knew it would fail...They wanted it to fail...They figured a Democrat would be the current President and they could slide right into 'single payer' due to the failure...
originally posted by: carewemust
July 18, 2017
I'm a big fan of President Trump, but he is WRONG when he said today:
""And I think we're probably in that position where we'll let Obamacare fail. We're not going to own it. I'm not going to own it," Trump said. "I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it. We'll let Obamacare fail and then the Democrats are going to come to us.""
Full Story: nation.foxnews.com...
The unAffordable Care Act may have President Obama's name attached to it, but the Captain of U.S.S. ObamaCare right now is President Trump.. and the Republican Majority in Congress are his Navigators.
U.S.S. ObamaCare is beyond "listing" in the ocean. It is now starting to SINK. The first to die will be the really sick people who will lose their health insurance on 12/31/2017.
Democrats and the Liberal Media will place the human carnage squarely on the backs of the Trump administration, and the Republican-led Congress. AND THEY WILL BE RIGHT...unfortunately. I think President Trump knows this. He shouldn't play a high-stakes game of "chicken" with Democrats, when American lives are at stake.
-CareWeMust
And that's every single one of the Democrats in Congress...Every one of the Democrats wants to leave Obamacare alone...Why are they not thanking the President for his plan to do just that???
originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: carewemust
They tried to repeal and replace it. Did they not? That puts it squarely on the shoulders of those who don't want to repeal it.
That's really nutso...The Democrats healthcare plan is collapsing...Yet they will not support the President in changing it to try to make it work...They want the President to support THEM and another failure of a plan instead...No, this belongs to the Democrats...
originally posted by: dragonridr
Yet Obama could get it passed. He owns it as president he should be able to get his bill through. If he can't he doesn't deserve the office. You can argue they are against him but they were against Obama as well. What did he do he organized enough people in Congress to pass the bill. What has Trump done no lobbying effort other than to say he'd sign a bill.
He's been paying lip service to healthcare. Yes Obama care will fail it's all ready starting leaving millions without medical insurance and risking the health of many. Republicans had 7 yrs to plan and to say they don't own this is stupid.
originally posted by: Iscool
You couldn't be more wrong...Obamacare belongs to the Democrats...This is their baby...They knew it would fail...They wanted it to fail...They figured a Democrat would be the current President and they could slide right into 'single payer' due to the failure...
originally posted by: carewemust
July 18, 2017
I'm a big fan of President Trump, but he is WRONG when he said today:
""And I think we're probably in that position where we'll let Obamacare fail. We're not going to own it. I'm not going to own it," Trump said. "I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it. We'll let Obamacare fail and then the Democrats are going to come to us.""
Full Story: nation.foxnews.com...
The unAffordable Care Act may have President Obama's name attached to it, but the Captain of U.S.S. ObamaCare right now is President Trump.. and the Republican Majority in Congress are his Navigators.
U.S.S. ObamaCare is beyond "listing" in the ocean. It is now starting to SINK. The first to die will be the really sick people who will lose their health insurance on 12/31/2017.
Democrats and the Liberal Media will place the human carnage squarely on the backs of the Trump administration, and the Republican-led Congress. AND THEY WILL BE RIGHT...unfortunately. I think President Trump knows this. He shouldn't play a high-stakes game of "chicken" with Democrats, when American lives are at stake.
-CareWeMust
Thankfully there will be no single payer this time around...And you can blame Trump all you want for Obama and the Democrat's failure but it won't fly...This is their baby...
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: carewemust
The republicans are cowards.
They are afraid of allowing people to have a choice.
originally posted by: Willtell
It’s just an ugly thing when human beings just want to make others suffer.
This is just about helping people cope with this suffering inducing life.
This is not nuclear physics or anything apocalyptic—just basic decency and common sense the US should have got beyond just as the Europeans have done.
There is just a very downright evil patch of people in this country who don’t understand simple moral principles
Its kindergarten morality