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posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: continuousThunder

originally posted by: Sheye
. a child would not persist .


word to the wise, my parents thought they knew what was best too. they made their attitude - similar to yours - well known, to the point that when i figured out what i am, i simply didn't tell them. i pretended to be 'normal' and i had a horrific abysmal excuse for a childhood, a decade of pure agony, as a result.
eventually, i ran away and transitioned anyway.
now i am a happy, healthy woman.
all my parents achieved with their archaic attitudes and abuses was to completely ruin years and years of my life and ultimately get themselves cut out of my life for good.


Shey, is this the mother you want to be?


I don't believe that story ... and I would be the mother who tried to pull everything out of my child. They wouldn't try to hide to much.
If a child of mine did transgender and decided to hold it against me .. for not supporting transition as a child , so be it... he loses a loving parent. They could very well turn against you for allowing transitioning at an age when they are not prepared emotionally , mentally, or psychologically to make such irreversible choices.

They may just call you a child abuser for allowing a child to make such an important decision.


so you believe she is making it up? Look up Leelah Alcorn's story...how about that mother? Would you want to be that mother who pushed her child to suicide?

Leelah Alcorn's story is so sad.



edit on 7/18/2017 by Deaf Alien because: (no reason given)




posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: veracity

Stupid questions? It was a hypothetical question that I presented in a way where external Influence was impossible.

If you can't answer it, just say you can't, instead of telling me to use my brain.

My brain never shuts off.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: Sheye

This is why surgeons should never do this to children under 16, let alone anyone else. how do the parents of these children feel once this operation is complete?

poor children being totally brainwashed, manipulated and groomed from an early age.

This has to stop.


Can you cite any examples of minors having gender reassignment surgery? At least in the U.S. I can't find any doctors willing to do so and the typical treatment for minors under 16 is hormone blockers to delay onset of puberty and then hormone therapy after 16. But no surgeries prior to 18 that I can find. I would agree that any parent allowing surgery on a minor is making a terrible choice. But I can't find any examples. If you can't support that statement, then you're building a strawman to support a logical fallacy that exists only in your mind (and in the mind of the OP).


Well... same thing applies. They shouldn't be giving pills to under 16's either to stop them growing how they should. How stupid are you and others to alow this to go on?



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: continuousThunder

originally posted by: Sheye
. a child would not persist .


word to the wise, my parents thought they knew what was best too. they made their attitude - similar to yours - well known, to the point that when i figured out what i am, i simply didn't tell them. i pretended to be 'normal' and i had a horrific abysmal excuse for a childhood, a decade of pure agony, as a result.
eventually, i ran away and transitioned anyway.
now i am a happy, healthy woman.
all my parents achieved with their archaic attitudes and abuses was to completely ruin years and years of my life and ultimately get themselves cut out of my life for good.


Shey, is this the mother you want to be?


I don't believe that story ... and I would be the mother who tried to pull everything out of my child. They wouldn't try to hide to much.
If a child of mine did transgender and decided to hold it against me .. for not supporting transition as a child , so be it... he loses a loving parent. They could very well turn against you for allowing transitioning at an age when they are not prepared emotionally , mentally, or psychologically to make such irreversible choices.

They may just call you a child abuser for allowing a child to make such an important decision.


so you believe she is making it up? Look up Leelah Alcorn's story...how about that mother? Would you want to be that mother who pushed her child to suicide?


Would you want to be the mother of a transgendered child who later goes on to commit suicide because of regret ?

The odds of that happening far outweigh the other.


umm, lofl, not true but believe what you want to cushion your agenda. Also, if i ever find out you have a trans-child im calling the trans police to your house.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

you are not giving children enough credit. They see the pretty women with their long hair and painted nails on tv, commercials, at the mall, the manniquins. Children are like little sponges. They see their pretty mom brushing her long hair, they know they want that too, but unfortunatly too young to let anyone know and obvious signs of depression happen.

I agree they are not inherently "girl things" which is just one more reason why a mother should allow her son to be happy and partake in them.

Isn't this a perfect example of external influences?

Here's a hypothetical scenario.

Take a child that has never been exposed to a female before, he has never even left his house, he doesn't even know that female's exists. What could be exhibit to show he's suffering from dysphoria?


Please just use your brain, im sick of these stupid questions, if you keep a child walled up inside it is also a form of abuse.


They are actually brilliant questions posed by someone that sincerely seems to want to understand how dysphoria diagnosis is achieved.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

I would wage that the children would still exhibit "masculine" or "feminine" behavior without external influence. Parents always notice this as Annee has stated.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

first of all, i cant get past the child being f-ed up bc it is walled in a house all day all night with no outside influence. Besides that, the child can still feel more feminine or masculine inside and want what he/she wants no matter what.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

This has been addressed before. First, there are some behaviors that are mostly male or mostly female that we consistently see in infants. For example, male babies and toddlers tend to be more physically active, females tend to be less active. Male toddlers tend to climb and explore more, female toddlers don't tend to do as much of that.

While there are social constructs for male and female, there is believed to be something in the brain that automatically identifies with one of those constructs more than the other. Yes, you might have played with dolls as a boy, but you identified with the boy construct much more.

The thing that has also been addressed time and time again, which you keep ignoring, is that you don't diagnose a baby/toddler with gender dysphoria. It is too soon. It takes years of consistent, persistent insistence before gender dysphoria can be diagnosed.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:28 PM
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i can't believe i'm baring my soul, sharing deep from my painful past for this ungrateful witch who won't even address me directly to say she thinks i'm a liar.
i'm gonna go find something better to do with my time.

veracity, kayla, deaf, you're lovely thank you cya's round 💝


edit on 18-7-2017 by continuousThunder because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: veracity

Would it make you feel better if he wasn't jailed at home, but instead by chance, has never seen another female before?

It's hypothetical for a reason, the whole point was to eliminate all Influences. And you're telling me to use my brain? How about you drop your emotions and understand I'm asking an honest question trying to get an honest answer?

But apparently you can't, so you you resort to childish tactics and name calling.

How mature of you.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: continuousThunder

originally posted by: Sheye
. a child would not persist .


word to the wise, my parents thought they knew what was best too. they made their attitude - similar to yours - well known, to the point that when i figured out what i am, i simply didn't tell them. i pretended to be 'normal' and i had a horrific abysmal excuse for a childhood, a decade of pure agony, as a result.
eventually, i ran away and transitioned anyway.
now i am a happy, healthy woman.
all my parents achieved with their archaic attitudes and abuses was to completely ruin years and years of my life and ultimately get themselves cut out of my life for good.


Shey, is this the mother you want to be?


I don't believe that story ... and I would be the mother who tried to pull everything out of my child. They wouldn't try to hide to much.
If a child of mine did transgender and decided to hold it against me .. for not supporting transition as a child , so be it... he loses a loving parent. They could very well turn against you for allowing transitioning at an age when they are not prepared emotionally , mentally, or psychologically to make such irreversible choices.

They may just call you a child abuser for allowing a child to make such an important decision.


so you believe she is making it up? Look up Leelah Alcorn's story...how about that mother? Would you want to be that mother who pushed her child to suicide?


Would you want to be the mother of a transgendered child who later goes on to commit suicide because of regret ?

The odds of that happening far outweigh the other.


That's not true at all.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:30 PM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

sorry for calling your questions stupid. I just knew you were not asking me bc you were concerned and wanted to know more about dysorphia, you were trying to find a fallacy in my reasoning.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: veracity

My children are adults and have no issues with gender, but if I did have a child that was confused about his/ her gender orientation , there isn't a chance in hell they would get away with taking my child. There would be lawyers and lawsuits and all sorts of really bad publicity for your kind . Don' t go there veracity, you'll end up pissing off alot of really good parents.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

sorry for calling your questions stupid. I just knew you were not asking me bc you were concerned and wanted to know more about dysorphia, you were trying to find a fallacy in my reasoning.


We don't all operate like you .



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: veracity

My children are adults and have no issues with gender, but if I did have a child that was confused about his/ her gender orientation , there isn't a chance in hell they would get away with taking my child. There would be lawyers and lawsuits and all sorts of really bad publicity for your kind . Don' t go there veracity, you'll end up pissing off alot of really good parents.





Oh i will go there and yes, there will be LOTS of lawyers against you. You will also have scores of people in the community and probably all over the United States AGAINST you.
edit on 18-7-2017 by veracity because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: Sheye

Sighs. Why can't you actually read the bill?



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:33 PM
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and how old is jenner...60 something....spent a lifetime unhappy and finally transitioned....but some on here INSIST it is a WHIM......jenner blows this lie out of the water



originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: violet

Children aren't given hormones at 11.

Caitlyn Jenner said she was always unhappy as a man, so good luck with the whole "regret" thing.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: continuousThunder

originally posted by: Sheye
. a child would not persist .


word to the wise, my parents thought they knew what was best too. they made their attitude - similar to yours - well known, to the point that when i figured out what i am, i simply didn't tell them. i pretended to be 'normal' and i had a horrific abysmal excuse for a childhood, a decade of pure agony, as a result.
eventually, i ran away and transitioned anyway.
now i am a happy, healthy woman.
all my parents achieved with their archaic attitudes and abuses was to completely ruin years and years of my life and ultimately get themselves cut out of my life for good.


Shey, is this the mother you want to be?


I don't believe that story ... and I would be the mother who tried to pull everything out of my child. They wouldn't try to hide to much.
If a child of mine did transgender and decided to hold it against me .. for not supporting transition as a child , so be it... he loses a loving parent. They could very well turn against you for allowing transitioning at an age when they are not prepared emotionally , mentally, or psychologically to make such irreversible choices.

They may just call you a child abuser for allowing a child to make such an important decision.


so you believe she is making it up? Look up Leelah Alcorn's story...how about that mother? Would you want to be that mother who pushed her child to suicide?


Would you want to be the mother of a transgendered child who later goes on to commit suicide because of regret ?

The odds of that happening far outweigh the other.


That's not true at all.


Yes it is true !!!!



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

I'm not ignoring that, I'm trying to figure out how much external Influences can affect a child.

Look, I've said many times that I'm not doubting people are born into the wrong bodies. I've acknowledged that fact many times already, my only issue is when it comes to very young children being unnecessarily exposed to these things.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: research100
and how old is jenner...60 something....spent a lifetime unhappy and finally transitioned....but some on here INSIST it is a WHIM......jenner blows this lie out of the water



originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: violet

Children aren't given hormones at 11.

Caitlyn Jenner said she was always unhappy as a man, so good luck with the whole "regret" thing.


And he still isn't truly happy . Maybe he was just a malcontent for many reasons. Give Jenner another 10 years as a woman... than lets have a very honest chat with him. He's already admitted the transition wasn't as great as he expected.



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