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posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

There are some studies. Just Google it. The real science sites, not the religious right-wing blogs.


See what we mean about your bias ? The real science sites ... that may very well do a180 flip on their " findings" at some point, like they have in the past.

I'm interested in the stories of regret and why, which is why this thread was started.




posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Where was her concern for the poster who revealed how hard the teen years were for someone with gender dysphoria? It was like "big deal, you weren't the only one who suffered". That was just cold. Nope, the OP just played her hand there. She doesn't really care about people with gender dysphoria.

Do people start threads just so everyone will post their agreement? Do people start threads and expect anyone who disagrees to keep quiet? Who is "removing views"? Unless, you are trying to remove our views...





My thoughts exactly. And then this random nonsense about saying we're all in some posse? Doesn't make sense AT ALL. You don't see anyone else saying that those backing OP are a part of OP's posse. We could all agree to disagree. But this is a forum. If everyone agreed to disagree there'd be no threads or discussions.

And no one is arguing that having a differing opinion is wrong. Though when 'opinions' are being put forth as assertions and facts without any evidence, then of course people are going to rightfully refute it. People are entitled to opinions, but when assertions and facts are being argued, there's no room for those that continue to ship a narrative that not only does not have evidence to support it, but has evidence to refute it.

And completely agree. No one is ganging up on anyone. It's debating, When other's are sticking up for Sheye because of some supposed 'empathy' or 'compassion' she is trying to show...or she is 'opening her heart', i have yet to see a concrete method by which she has shown this. She has the pity act down one minute by saying how she feels bad for them, but the very next she describes their 'demons', calls them 'repulsive' says they just need to 'grow up' when it comes to their depression and suicidal tendencies...and furthermore, the moment someone provides their heart-wrenching, firsthand account, she replies with "You're not the only one who suffered". What a grand gesture and way to show compassion by telling someone to suck it up.


I see .... it's apparent now its the LGBTQ community that requires coddling.

Should I feel pity for the child who spent his life in a miserable childhood because he couldn't have a rich family like some kids from the other side of town ?

If a kid has vagina or penis envy , it has to do with deeper psychological issues in my opinion, and they deserve no more coddling than the the Christian kid who is called homophobic and beat up daily because he doesn't want to engage in anal sex with the classroom bullies. Tired of trans telling their childhood sob stories when there are plenty of childhood sob stories that have nothing to do with gender dysphoria.


Wow.

" the Christian kid who is called homophobic and beat up daily because he doesn't want to engage in anal sex with the classroom bullies."


Show me an instance of a child being beat up daily because he was called 'homophobic'.

And...really?

because he doesn't want to engage in anal sex with the classroom bullies

Strawman. Where on earth has this legitimately been an issue? A christian in a classroom full of homosexual bullies? And being gay and being trans are not the same thing. You continue to show you do not understand this fact. And no, members of the LGBTQ community do not need to be coddled. Opting to now treat someone like garbage..or like they're "repulsive' or like they have 'demons' is not coddling.

More made up problems you continue to pull out your read end.

Btw, where are those peer reviewed scientific studies you were talking about? You said you have them. You have yet to post them. Ignoring this still?



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Who said I wasn't open to your views? Where have I ever disagreed with the pro crowd? I've acknowledged many many times that dysphoria is real, so in that sense I don't even agree entirely with the OP.

My issue isn't whether dysphoria is real or not. I'm simply just trying to understand all the how's and why's, by looking at ALL of the dynamics objectively.

ETA: and progress can simply mean being open to an opposing view and discussing it objectively, instead of ridiculing it and refusing to discuss it objectively? Which has been the case. I don't think there was ever a moment you looked at my concerns objectively and gave it a real thought to it being a real possibility.

edit on 20-7-2017 by knowledgehunter0986 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth

Well to be fair to sheye, she has been pushed to her limit. I've been reading along and she has for the most part tried to keep her cool. We're only humans after all.

Also it's possible to agree to disagree, and still be able to have a civil discussion. In fact, that's probably the way we should be doing it when it comes to a sensitive subject such as this.

Present your opinions or facts, and let the people discern on their own. When you try to force opinions in such an aggressive manner, it is actually counter productive.

Like I said, in the past week or so alone, there has been well over 100 pages on this subject, and the discussion imo hasn't even moved a foot. We're just going in circles, and at the pace we are going now, will only go in circles for another 100.


I'm not forcing opinions. I am open minded to reading other actual peer-reviewed scientific reports and studies. I have presented actual reports and evidence pertaining to assertions that are contrary to the biased post of OP. It's not aggressive. If anything, I've been reduced to having to be repetitive, like many other posters on here because Sheye continued to ignore legitimate questions and requests for information.

And I'm not a part of a 'posse'. I'm here on my own, of my own volition. So to insinuate as such is incorrect on your end and was purely contrived to further your perspective. And yes we're only human, but I have not called names or attacked anyone, nor have I gone out of my way to admit I'm purposefully ignoring certain posters because they provide evidence that is contrary to my narrative. Nor have I made claims that I have information but when asked for said information, I outright ignore the request or pull excuses out of thin air like "You wouldn't read them anyway".



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

True that 99% won't change their views based on anything said here. No matter how polite we are, no matter how factual we are, no matter how many links we post. But sometimes one person changes their view. I won't say his name, but there is a long time conservative member who admitted they felt negatively about trans people until he read posts by one of the trans posters I was talking about earlier. They got to discussing it, and he started to understand her situation, and therefore the whole trans issue became clearer to him. He no longer feels the same as before.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Where was her concern for the poster who revealed how hard the teen years were for someone with gender dysphoria? It was like "big deal, you weren't the only one who suffered". That was just cold. Nope, the OP just played her hand there. She doesn't really care about people with gender dysphoria.

Do people start threads just so everyone will post their agreement? Do people start threads and expect anyone who disagrees to keep quiet? Who is "removing views"? Unless, you are trying to remove our views...





My thoughts exactly. And then this random nonsense about saying we're all in some posse? Doesn't make sense AT ALL. You don't see anyone else saying that those backing OP are a part of OP's posse. We could all agree to disagree. But this is a forum. If everyone agreed to disagree there'd be no threads or discussions.

And no one is arguing that having a differing opinion is wrong. Though when 'opinions' are being put forth as assertions and facts without any evidence, then of course people are going to rightfully refute it. People are entitled to opinions, but when assertions and facts are being argued, there's no room for those that continue to ship a narrative that not only does not have evidence to support it, but has evidence to refute it.

And completely agree. No one is ganging up on anyone. It's debating, When other's are sticking up for Sheye because of some supposed 'empathy' or 'compassion' she is trying to show...or she is 'opening her heart', i have yet to see a concrete method by which she has shown this. She has the pity act down one minute by saying how she feels bad for them, but the very next she describes their 'demons', calls them 'repulsive' says they just need to 'grow up' when it comes to their depression and suicidal tendencies...and furthermore, the moment someone provides their heart-wrenching, firsthand account, she replies with "You're not the only one who suffered". What a grand gesture and way to show compassion by telling someone to suck it up.


I see .... it's apparent now its the LGBTQ community that requires coddling. Tired of trans telling their childhood sob stories when there are plenty of childhood sob stories that have nothing to do with gender dysphoria.


Soooo much concern from the heart there.

At least you have finally admitted your lack of concern, which proved your whole OP is a lie.


The title calling transgender a 'con' should have been a red flag.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 11:51 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Please read my edit in my previous.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Boadicea
Our words will stand on their own merit, and folks will judge according to their own.


Let's talk about that statement.

I remember some of your story. I remember being heartbroken over what your family is going through with the medical system and have the greatest empathy for you as a mother.


Thank you for that. I appreciate it.


I remember wishing I had better answers for you and when you began attacking a central core of my being (validity of gender dysphoria)...


I'm not sure what I said that would have attacked the validity of gender dysphoria -- not saying I didn't, but my thoughts on gender dysphoria is that is a very real thing with very different roots/causes that encompass the physical, mental, emotional and perhaps even spiritual. And it's because of the hell we've gone through that I do have compassion and I do understand it's not as simple as XX and XY. So I apologize profusely for making you feel attacked, but I still have very real problems with how the issues are being approached and treated. There is no one-size-fits-all bandage.


...I remember wishing I was able to maintain a more conciliatory tone with you, given what you were going through.

I mean all of that. I wish I had done better in the face of having to defend myself against your views so long ago. And I'm sorry.


I believe you and I appreciate your sincerity. For what it's worth, I have no negative feelings towards you. I don't ever recall you being hostile or rude to me. So you probably succeeded better than you realize.


But, as right as you are to challenge and question so many things about your family's situation, you are extrapolating from your experience targets to blame that are not your enemy and you are wrong about them.


I'm sorry... I'm not sure I'm understanding.. my "enemy" as in the medical and/or political establishment? I have admitted that is my confirmation bias, and I have to stand by that. I do not trust the medical industry and system as a whole any farther than I can throw them. And I certainly hope you don't mean trans persons as my "enemy"... rather, as weird as this may sound to you, I'm more inclined to look at trans persons as victims of the same enemy as myself and my family. Kind of "us against them."


And for that, I feel sorry about you and your situation. Misguided disdain is something I can have sympathy for when people are hurting like you.

But you are not correct on many of your conclusions.


Well, that's probably fair enough. I see the end results, I see how and what led us to this point, and it absolutely infuriates me because it didn't have to happen!!! So, yeah, I find the faults and flaws I recognize, but I probably don't see the entire picture. Instead I think "Dammit! We know better and we should damn well do better!" For what it's worth, the more I have researched, the more I learn... and I have recognized some of my wrong conclusions. I'm a work in progress. We all are.


I am not sorry for stating that once again.


Don't ever be sorry for stating your truths -- especially here and especially when you do it so kindly. That's what we're here for. If I can't take it, then I can walk away. And I have, many times, when I felt a discussion had reached a point where absolutely no good could come of it and I just didn't know how to handle it.

But I honestly don't see that happening with you. I like your style -- and I could probably learn a helluvalot from you. I'll be the one trying to tone down my own -- what? Passion? Zeal? I don't know.

Thank you for being a class act. And, again, my apologies for anything I said that made you feel attacked. I really do not want to do that. I will try to do better.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Where was her concern for the poster who revealed how hard the teen years were for someone with gender dysphoria? It was like "big deal, you weren't the only one who suffered". That was just cold. Nope, the OP just played her hand there. She doesn't really care about people with gender dysphoria.

Do people start threads just so everyone will post their agreement? Do people start threads and expect anyone who disagrees to keep quiet? Who is "removing views"? Unless, you are trying to remove our views...





My thoughts exactly. And then this random nonsense about saying we're all in some posse? Doesn't make sense AT ALL. You don't see anyone else saying that those backing OP are a part of OP's posse. We could all agree to disagree. But this is a forum. If everyone agreed to disagree there'd be no threads or discussions.

And no one is arguing that having a differing opinion is wrong. Though when 'opinions' are being put forth as assertions and facts without any evidence, then of course people are going to rightfully refute it. People are entitled to opinions, but when assertions and facts are being argued, there's no room for those that continue to ship a narrative that not only does not have evidence to support it, but has evidence to refute it.

And completely agree. No one is ganging up on anyone. It's debating, When other's are sticking up for Sheye because of some supposed 'empathy' or 'compassion' she is trying to show...or she is 'opening her heart', i have yet to see a concrete method by which she has shown this. She has the pity act down one minute by saying how she feels bad for them, but the very next she describes their 'demons', calls them 'repulsive' says they just need to 'grow up' when it comes to their depression and suicidal tendencies...and furthermore, the moment someone provides their heart-wrenching, firsthand account, she replies with "You're not the only one who suffered". What a grand gesture and way to show compassion by telling someone to suck it up.


I see .... it's apparent now its the LGBTQ community that requires coddling. Tired of trans telling their childhood sob stories when there are plenty of childhood sob stories that have nothing to do with gender dysphoria.


Soooo much concern from the heart there.

At least you have finally admitted your lack of concern, which proved your whole OP is a lie.


I have much concern for the regretful transgendered who have had irreversible surgery, which is what this thread is about.

I don't have as much compassion for those who cry about a miserable childhood because they weren't allowed to dress in mommys clothes and make up on a continuing basis. I do have concerns for their psychological health , but I won't play the pity party for all , unless we look at all the ways children have suffered terrible child abuse .



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth

Well I apologize to you, because my post wasn't necessarily directed at you. I was just speaking the the whole thread in general.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Where was her concern for the poster who revealed how hard the teen years were for someone with gender dysphoria? It was like "big deal, you weren't the only one who suffered". That was just cold. Nope, the OP just played her hand there. She doesn't really care about people with gender dysphoria.

Do people start threads just so everyone will post their agreement? Do people start threads and expect anyone who disagrees to keep quiet? Who is "removing views"? Unless, you are trying to remove our views...





My thoughts exactly. And then this random nonsense about saying we're all in some posse? Doesn't make sense AT ALL. You don't see anyone else saying that those backing OP are a part of OP's posse. We could all agree to disagree. But this is a forum. If everyone agreed to disagree there'd be no threads or discussions.

And no one is arguing that having a differing opinion is wrong. Though when 'opinions' are being put forth as assertions and facts without any evidence, then of course people are going to rightfully refute it. People are entitled to opinions, but when assertions and facts are being argued, there's no room for those that continue to ship a narrative that not only does not have evidence to support it, but has evidence to refute it.

And completely agree. No one is ganging up on anyone. It's debating, When other's are sticking up for Sheye because of some supposed 'empathy' or 'compassion' she is trying to show...or she is 'opening her heart', i have yet to see a concrete method by which she has shown this. She has the pity act down one minute by saying how she feels bad for them, but the very next she describes their 'demons', calls them 'repulsive' says they just need to 'grow up' when it comes to their depression and suicidal tendencies...and furthermore, the moment someone provides their heart-wrenching, firsthand account, she replies with "You're not the only one who suffered". What a grand gesture and way to show compassion by telling someone to suck it up.


I see .... it's apparent now its the LGBTQ community that requires coddling. Tired of trans telling their childhood sob stories when there are plenty of childhood sob stories that have nothing to do with gender dysphoria.


Soooo much concern from the heart there.

At least you have finally admitted your lack of concern, which proved your whole OP is a lie.


I have much concern for the regretful transgendered who have had irreversible surgery, which is what this thread is about.

I don't have as much compassion for those who cry about a miserable childhood because they weren't allowed to dress in mommys clothes and make up on a continuing basis. I do have concerns for their psychological health , but I won't play the pity party for all , unless we look at all the ways children have suffered terrible child abuse .


Thank you for confirming that you have neither the desire nor the wish to understand the issues involved. That has to be one of the most stunningly insensitive posts I've ever seen. You might as well have written that you don't give a rat's ass about the thoughts and feelings of those you obviously scorn, distrust and hate.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth

Well I apologize to you, because my post wasn't necessarily directed at you. I was just speaking the the whole thread in general.


Thank you, I do appreciate your apology.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Boadicea

I know you're lying now, because no one is "forced" to get SRS - as a matter of fact, the majority of trans people don't get the surgery.


Who's lying??? Allow me to quote myself (since you didn't and chose to put your own words in my mouth):

But, instead, those folks are also allowed to suffer -- or, even worse, told the only thing they can do is surgically and/or chemically castrate their bodies and give up the life they've built for themselves and alienate the people they love.

I didn't use the word "forced." Nor did I only refer to surgery.


Gender dysphoria and autogynephilia are two completely different conditions, with different treatments.


Well, at least you're not denying it these days... However, it still has a long way to go before it is medically accepted and treated.


A good therapist will tell the difference.


Probably. But the operative word is "good." And that's a giant leap of faith. Garbage in and garbage out. Unless and until it is properly researched, properly diagnosed, and proper treatments developed -- and that has not happened -- therapists cannot and will not do so.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 12:05 PM
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Here is the bottom line. If you have a bad therapist, you might get taken down the wrong path, which might lead to some regrets. If you have a good therapist, one who takes the time to explore your past, your inner thoughts, and who counsels you on what to expect realistically as a transgender person, then you won't have any regrets.

That's really what it all boils down to. A good therapist can tell you if you actually have gender dysphoria, or if you have some other issue. A good therapist will help lead you down the path that's right for you.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Where was her concern for the poster who revealed how hard the teen years were for someone with gender dysphoria? It was like "big deal, you weren't the only one who suffered". That was just cold. Nope, the OP just played her hand there. She doesn't really care about people with gender dysphoria.

Do people start threads just so everyone will post their agreement? Do people start threads and expect anyone who disagrees to keep quiet? Who is "removing views"? Unless, you are trying to remove our views...





My thoughts exactly. And then this random nonsense about saying we're all in some posse? Doesn't make sense AT ALL. You don't see anyone else saying that those backing OP are a part of OP's posse. We could all agree to disagree. But this is a forum. If everyone agreed to disagree there'd be no threads or discussions.

And no one is arguing that having a differing opinion is wrong. Though when 'opinions' are being put forth as assertions and facts without any evidence, then of course people are going to rightfully refute it. People are entitled to opinions, but when assertions and facts are being argued, there's no room for those that continue to ship a narrative that not only does not have evidence to support it, but has evidence to refute it.

And completely agree. No one is ganging up on anyone. It's debating, When other's are sticking up for Sheye because of some supposed 'empathy' or 'compassion' she is trying to show...or she is 'opening her heart', i have yet to see a concrete method by which she has shown this. She has the pity act down one minute by saying how she feels bad for them, but the very next she describes their 'demons', calls them 'repulsive' says they just need to 'grow up' when it comes to their depression and suicidal tendencies...and furthermore, the moment someone provides their heart-wrenching, firsthand account, she replies with "You're not the only one who suffered". What a grand gesture and way to show compassion by telling someone to suck it up.


I see .... it's apparent now its the LGBTQ community that requires coddling. Tired of trans telling their childhood sob stories when there are plenty of childhood sob stories that have nothing to do with gender dysphoria.


Soooo much concern from the heart there.

At least you have finally admitted your lack of concern, which proved your whole OP is a lie.


I have much concern for the regretful transgendered who have had irreversible surgery, which is what this thread is about.

I don't have as much compassion for those who cry about a miserable childhood because they weren't allowed to dress in mommys clothes and make up on a continuing basis. I do have concerns for their psychological health , but I won't play the pity party for all , unless we look at all the ways children have suffered terrible child abuse .


Sheye, what you're failing to understand (and I'm not attacking you by saying this) is that being trans and 'wanting to dress up in mommy's clothing' are two differing things. Those that are trans are not arguing about wanting to wear the other gender's clothes. The two have nothing to do with one another.

And the post in which Kayla mentioned, wherein you didn't show compassion, for that poster's firsthand account...the firsthand account didn't say anything about being upset that they couldn't wear mommy's makeup and clothes.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: Sheye

To be honest i imagine any Man that chooses to have his tackle mutilated beyond repair is going to have regrets.

That being said, each to there own i suppose, just remember fellows that they don't grow back.
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posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Where was her concern for the poster who revealed how hard the teen years were for someone with gender dysphoria? It was like "big deal, you weren't the only one who suffered". That was just cold. Nope, the OP just played her hand there. She doesn't really care about people with gender dysphoria.

Do people start threads just so everyone will post their agreement? Do people start threads and expect anyone who disagrees to keep quiet? Who is "removing views"? Unless, you are trying to remove our views...





My thoughts exactly. And then this random nonsense about saying we're all in some posse? Doesn't make sense AT ALL. You don't see anyone else saying that those backing OP are a part of OP's posse. We could all agree to disagree. But this is a forum. If everyone agreed to disagree there'd be no threads or discussions.

And no one is arguing that having a differing opinion is wrong. Though when 'opinions' are being put forth as assertions and facts without any evidence, then of course people are going to rightfully refute it. People are entitled to opinions, but when assertions and facts are being argued, there's no room for those that continue to ship a narrative that not only does not have evidence to support it, but has evidence to refute it.

And completely agree. No one is ganging up on anyone. It's debating, When other's are sticking up for Sheye because of some supposed 'empathy' or 'compassion' she is trying to show...or she is 'opening her heart', i have yet to see a concrete method by which she has shown this. She has the pity act down one minute by saying how she feels bad for them, but the very next she describes their 'demons', calls them 'repulsive' says they just need to 'grow up' when it comes to their depression and suicidal tendencies...and furthermore, the moment someone provides their heart-wrenching, firsthand account, she replies with "You're not the only one who suffered". What a grand gesture and way to show compassion by telling someone to suck it up.




I see .... it's apparent now its the LGBTQ community that requires coddling. Tired of trans telling their childhood sob stories when there are plenty of childhood sob stories that have nothing to do with gender dysphoria.


Soooo much concern from the heart there.

At least you have finally admitted your lack of concern, which proved your whole OP is a lie.


I have much concern for the regretful transgendered who have had irreversible surgery, which is what this thread is about.

I don't have as much compassion for those who cry about a miserable childhood because they weren't allowed to dress in mommys clothes and make up on a continuing basis. I do have concerns for their psychological health , but I won't play the pity party for all , unless we look at all the ways children have suffered terrible child abuse .


Thank you for confirming that you have neither the desire nor the wish to understand the issues involved. That has to be one of the most stunningly insensitive posts I've ever seen. You might as well have written that you don't give a rat's ass about the thoughts and feelings of those you obviously scorn, distrust and hate.


I get told to basically suck it up all the time when my opinions are argued against.
My feelings don't matter , correct ?

I'm just a hate spewing Christian with archaic views who hides behind the bible according to some.

My compassion is there to a degree , but some transgendered simply want to be coddled in todays society because they are different, yet never give the same freedom of being different to others.
edit on 20-7-2017 by Sheye because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Where was her concern for the poster who revealed how hard the teen years were for someone with gender dysphoria? It was like "big deal, you weren't the only one who suffered". That was just cold. Nope, the OP just played her hand there. She doesn't really care about people with gender dysphoria.

Do people start threads just so everyone will post their agreement? Do people start threads and expect anyone who disagrees to keep quiet? Who is "removing views"? Unless, you are trying to remove our views...





My thoughts exactly. And then this random nonsense about saying we're all in some posse? Doesn't make sense AT ALL. You don't see anyone else saying that those backing OP are a part of OP's posse. We could all agree to disagree. But this is a forum. If everyone agreed to disagree there'd be no threads or discussions.

And no one is arguing that having a differing opinion is wrong. Though when 'opinions' are being put forth as assertions and facts without any evidence, then of course people are going to rightfully refute it. People are entitled to opinions, but when assertions and facts are being argued, there's no room for those that continue to ship a narrative that not only does not have evidence to support it, but has evidence to refute it.

And completely agree. No one is ganging up on anyone. It's debating, When other's are sticking up for Sheye because of some supposed 'empathy' or 'compassion' she is trying to show...or she is 'opening her heart', i have yet to see a concrete method by which she has shown this. She has the pity act down one minute by saying how she feels bad for them, but the very next she describes their 'demons', calls them 'repulsive' says they just need to 'grow up' when it comes to their depression and suicidal tendencies...and furthermore, the moment someone provides their heart-wrenching, firsthand account, she replies with "You're not the only one who suffered". What a grand gesture and way to show compassion by telling someone to suck it up.


I see .... it's apparent now its the LGBTQ community that requires coddling. Tired of trans telling their childhood sob stories when there are plenty of childhood sob stories that have nothing to do with gender dysphoria.


Soooo much concern from the heart there.

At least you have finally admitted your lack of concern, which proved your whole OP is a lie.


I have much concern for the regretful transgendered who have had irreversible surgery, which is what this thread is about.

I don't have as much compassion for those who cry about a miserable childhood because they weren't allowed to dress in mommys clothes and make up on a continuing basis. I do have concerns for their psychological health , but I won't play the pity party for all , unless we look at all the ways children have suffered terrible child abuse .


Thank you for confirming that you have neither the desire nor the wish to understand the issues involved. That has to be one of the most stunningly insensitive posts I've ever seen. You might as well have written that you don't give a rat's ass about the thoughts and feelings of those you obviously scorn, distrust and hate.


Nobody denies that the issue exist, I'm sure sheye acknowledges it. But we can all drop the teenage melodrama in acting like it's an actual condition without backing it up objectively.

The 'science' sites I keep getting referred to by transgender supported offer limited data sets, and as such the conclusion can be spun any which way.

The purpose of the thread is to understand the issue more, not to bash transgenders, it might not even be their fault that they feel the way they do.

Let's stop this misunderstanding now, as it will just lead to scornful remarks, and judging of others based on the life experiences.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
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Where was her concern for the poster who revealed how hard the teen years were for someone with gender dysphoria? It was like "big deal, you weren't the only one who suffered". That was just cold. Nope, the OP just played her hand there. She doesn't really care about people with gender dysphoria.

Do people start threads just so everyone will post their agreement? Do people start threads and expect anyone who disagrees to keep quiet? Who is "removing views"? Unless, you are trying to remove our views...





My thoughts exactly. And then this random nonsense about saying we're all in some posse? Doesn't make sense AT ALL. You don't see anyone else saying that those backing OP are a part of OP's posse. We could all agree to disagree. But this is a forum. If everyone agreed to disagree there'd be no threads or discussions.

And no one is arguing that having a differing opinion is wrong. Though when 'opinions' are being put forth as assertions and facts without any evidence, then of course people are going to rightfully refute it. People are entitled to opinions, but when assertions and facts are being argued, there's no room for those that continue to ship a narrative that not only does not have evidence to support it, but has evidence to refute it.

And completely agree. No one is ganging up on anyone. It's debating, When other's are sticking up for Sheye because of some supposed 'empathy' or 'compassion' she is trying to show...or she is 'opening her heart', i have yet to see a concrete method by which she has shown this. She has the pity act down one minute by saying how she feels bad for them, but the very next she describes their 'demons', calls them 'repulsive' says they just need to 'grow up' when it comes to their depression and suicidal tendencies...and furthermore, the moment someone provides their heart-wrenching, firsthand account, she replies with "You're not the only one who suffered". What a grand gesture and way to show compassion by telling someone to suck it up.




I see .... it's apparent now its the LGBTQ community that requires coddling. Tired of trans telling their childhood sob stories when there are plenty of childhood sob stories that have nothing to do with gender dysphoria.


Soooo much concern from the heart there.

At least you have finally admitted your lack of concern, which proved your whole OP is a lie.


I have much concern for the regretful transgendered who have had irreversible surgery, which is what this thread is about.

I don't have as much compassion for those who cry about a miserable childhood because they weren't allowed to dress in mommys clothes and make up on a continuing basis. I do have concerns for their psychological health , but I won't play the pity party for all , unless we look at all the ways children have suffered terrible child abuse .


Thank you for confirming that you have neither the desire nor the wish to understand the issues involved. That has to be one of the most stunningly insensitive posts I've ever seen. You might as well have written that you don't give a rat's ass about the thoughts and feelings of those you obviously scorn, distrust and hate.


I get told to basically suck it up all the time when my opinions are argued against.
My feelings don't matter , correct ?

I'm just a hate spewing Christian with archaic views who hides behind the bible according to some.

My compassion is there to a degree , but some transgendered simply want to be coddled in todays society because they are different, yet never give the same freedom of being different to others.


That is certainly the tone and attitude of some in this thread, and on ATS in general, but then that's true for the LGBT community supporters as well. But going back to your OP you established a recourse for understanding this topic objectively, and we haven't been given any conclusive or objective data that it's a real condition. I just keep hearing how transgenders are happy, and moving on with life, and getting round all the elephants in the room by fiddling around with human nature.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: violet
This is why I disagree with children being allowed to start the transition with the hormone meds at ages as early as 11.


It's becoming such a fad.

Although some people might really need the change, not all really know what they're in for .

Bruce Jenner has no regrets. Let's see how he feels in 5 years. He won't admit it though. Would be great if he would become an advocate for regret though. Need somebody famous to do that so that can catch on instead


They don't transition with hormone meds at 11, they usually give blockers to delay puberty to give them more time to decide. Big difference...



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