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So wat if Trump colluded with Russia to win?

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posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

The emails admit he was heading to a meeting with a Russian agent specifically to collude to swing the election, because of Russia's support for trump..

So even if a set up, or Putin was playing him.. he was down and lied about it the ENTIRE time.

That said I don't think the leaks are done. I think they are letting them lie every step of the way.


Im not sure I would call going to a meeting to potentially get evidence of wrong doing colluding.

Given the circumstances and what the Russian said would it not have been more irresponsible to not attend and see what she had to say?




posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

From a representative of the Russian government, to show their support for the trump campaign..

Don't leave out the most important part..

It very well could be "legal" if it were colluding with other Americans.



posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 08:40 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
So *wat if Trump colluded with Russia to win?


Because it's illegal.
edit on 17-7-2017 by CryHavoc because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

From a representative of the Russian government, to show their support for the trump campaign..

Don't leave out the most important part..

It very well could be "legal" if it were colluding with other Americans.


So just to clarify, your advocating for politicians to ignore people with info on corruption or wrong doing if they are not American citizens?

Okey dokie



posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

When they are claiming to be the representatives of a foreign adversary nation ABSOLUTELY!!!

Espeacially sneaking through back channels rather than in the light of day..



posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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a reply to: CryHavoc

Appearently not.. as flipping insane as that sounds..



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:30 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

So what? In a word: "Treason", that's what.

But you are intelligent person and I am certain you know that.

Why anyone would support their political affiliation over their country troubles me greatly. Killary and the Dems are a train wreck, but that has nothing to do with how dishonest and incompetent this administration is.

To accept the continuing lies from someone a person votes for is irresponsible. Hold your elected officials to account. Dont accept their poor behavior because other's poor behavior.

Call out all lies, all corruption and all incompetence in elected officials wherever you find it.

It's your democracy, defend it.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:36 AM
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originally posted by: Leonidas
a reply to: allsee4eye

It's your democracy, defend it.



It's pretty simple really. What Trump represented throughout the campaign is what would be best for America. If you go against him now, it essentially invalidates the ideas that he represented. It gives power back over to the other side, whose ideas would hurt America. I think that's why so many still support Trump, not because they like him (or worship him as crazy leftists proclaim), but because if conservative/libertarian ideas are invalidated, the country will be handed back over to the socialists/communists. We're between a rock and a hard place.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: TruMcCarthy

The lies are unacceptable and you know that. Care more about your country than your vote.

The Dems aren't in power, this group is. This is the government we are dealing with. Honesty and credibility are inseparable.
edit on 18-7-2017 by Leonidas because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:42 AM
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originally posted by: Leonidas
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

The lies are unacceptable and you know that. Care more about your country than your vote.


I do care more about the country, which is why I don't want it handed back over to the leftist globalists. Even if Trump colluded with Russia, which certainly hasn't been proven, he is still far better for the country than the other side would be.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:50 AM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Leonidas
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

The lies are unacceptable and you know that. Care more about your country than your vote.


I do care more about the country, which is why I don't want it handed back over to the leftist globalists. Even if Trump colluded with Russia, which certainly hasn't been proven, he is still far better for the country than the other side would be.


By definition you care more about your vote than your country. Or do you believe the Constitution is a nothing more than a list of helpful suggestions?

Not wanting the Dems in power DOES NOT EXCLUDE demanding the Reps respect and follow the Constitution.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 12:56 AM
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originally posted by: Leonidas

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Leonidas
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

The lies are unacceptable and you know that. Care more about your country than your vote.


I do care more about the country, which is why I don't want it handed back over to the leftist globalists. Even if Trump colluded with Russia, which certainly hasn't been proven, he is still far better for the country than the other side would be.


By definition you care more about your vote than your country. Or do you believe the Constitution is a nothing more than a list of helpful suggestions?

Not wanting the Dems in power DOES NOT EXCLUDE demanding the Reps respect and follow the Constitution.


I actually don't care about my vote, I realize my vote counts for bumpkins. Trump won my state by 500,000 votes, my vote made no difference whatsoever. I care about the country, which is why I don't want leftists in charge. Your opinion might be valid, but it's not realistic. If one side does less damage than the other, even if not perfectly pure, it's still better than the alternative.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 01:01 AM
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a reply to: TruMcCarthy

You can vote for a politician AND demand they act in a honest and competent manner, those are not mutually exclusive.

It's up to you if you continue to excuse the poor behavior the government. It seems clear where you stand.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 01:09 AM
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originally posted by: Leonidas
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

You can vote for a politician AND demand they act in a honest and competent manner, those are not mutually exclusive.

It's up to you if you continue to excuse the poor behavior the government. It seems clear where you stand.


It is clear where I stand, I support the lesser of two evils, for the betterment of my country. I love your idealism, I just deal in realism. I think Trump has done many great things for the country already, far more than democrats would do. If I have to overlook some shortcomings, than so be it, that is the reality of the situation.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Let me make this even easier to understand. The Dems lost. We control the House, the Senate and POTUS.

It is the Government in power that you need to concern yourself with, not what the loser may have hypothetically been doing right now.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 02:37 AM
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a reply to: Leonidas

I've been telling them for months..

The conspiracy crowd ALWAYS turns against the party in power. You cans have big broad sweeping conspiracies, when your guys are running things..


Any conspiracy you come up with after that means your guy is in on it..or why isn't he stopping it??

Hillaroes guilty ?? If there is evidence Then why is trump covering up for her??



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 02:57 AM
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a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Except trump said everything during the campaign..

"I'll provide everyone with health care AND repel obama care.."

I'll lower taxes AND INCREASE services..

He literally pandered to both polar opposite issues on everything but immigration..


He never once laid out anything resembling a plan..

Just vague assertions that sound good, but mean nothing..

Aka make America great again..

Sounds good, means nothing.. that is not a policy plan lol..

That is propaganda meant for those who don't look very closely.



posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: CryHavoc
Appearently not.. as flipping insane as that sounds..


Federal Law, Section 30121 of Title 52, makes it a crime for any foreigner to contribute or donate money or some “other thing of value” in connection with an American election, or for anyone to solicit a foreigner to do so.

Chapter I, Article 2, paragraph 7 of the United Nations Charter states that nothing in the Charter authorizes the signatories “to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state.”[4] The only exception to this non-intervention principle is found in Chapter VII, which authorizes the United Nations to intervene against “the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression.”
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posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 09:02 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Healthcare isn't a free service. How would everyone be provided with healthcare? That would require the rich be taxed at more the 40% of their income to provide healthcare to every poor person who can't afford it.



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 09:55 AM
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I think Trump has done many great things for the country already, far more than democrats would do. If I have to overlook some shortcomings, than so be it, that is the reality of the situation.


No one should overlook treason, it's kind of a big deal. Not saying there was treason.. Trump, Trump Jr. etc. might just have been politically stupid about the whole thing, which I wouldn't put past them at all.

Also I'm curious about what "great things" Trump has done so far. Exactly what policies do you think are great? I think he has been ok on jobs.. poor on foreign policy.. pathetic on ISIS, whom he swore to have a plan in place in 30 days to stamp out. His wall is thankfully a joke still, I personally don't think allowing mines to dump waste into streams and rivers is "ok," maybe your thoughts differ. His inability to deal with politics has forced him to sign more executive orders than any President in I don't know how many decades.. something he derided Obama about.

Improving the environment and not making it worse is hardly a "left" thing, it's globally the smart thing to do. Trump is the polar opposite of good environmental policies.

So far, he just seems intent on dismantling everything Obama did, just for the sake of it, whether it makes sense or not. That's not a plan - that is an unhealthy obsession. I don't care how much you may not have liked Obama, there is no way you can honestly state there was literally nothing good that came from that administration in 8 years. Trump does not care however.. he will dismantle it all.

He has cut Medicare and jobs helping our less fortunate, while increasing the military budget, even when the Pentagon has over 6 trillion it can't account for. You can say he has done "great things," but I think that's very subjective. Before he took office, I said Trump would probably help the economy, but diplomatically, Presidential-wise and politcal-wise, would be a wreck, and I hoped our administration could keep him out of the worst trouble. So far, is proving right imo.



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