London underground tube staff aren't allowed to say 'Ladies and Gentleman' anymore

There are only 2 genders, so "Ladies and Gentlemen" should suffice.

Not surprised to see this in London, though.. almost as big a Sh**hole as New York or LA.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: kaylaluv

Which avoids the argument of whether ladies and gentlemen is offensive. Hint, it's not.

Neither is passengers

And I would not care if they used the term. It's not the term, it's WHY they changed that matters.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: 0racle
Ah, who cares... maybe they're right... ladies and gentlemen is a bit old fashioned...

I agree and not every woman is a lady and not every man is a gentleman. How about "Attention passengers - you are being taken for a ride"?

Or ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you scum.

Or "People" Get ready for here it comes...the next station?

I am fine with that .. or they can do ladies and gentlemen. The problem is not that "people" is bad, it's that ladies and gentlemen isn't bad.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: 0racle
Ah, who cares... maybe they're right... ladies and gentlemen is a bit old fashioned...

I agree and not every woman is a lady and not every man is a gentleman. How about "Attention passengers - you are being taken for a ride"?

Or ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you scum.

Or "People" Get ready for here it comes...the next station?

I am fine with that .. or they can do ladies and gentlemen. The problem is not that "people" is bad, it's that ladies and gentlemen isn't bad.

After reading the book "The Women's Room" by Marilyn French, it made me take a second look at this type of outdated reference and other gender references, so I think we should not blindly accept questionable old-fashioned social norms.

originally posted by: ototheb85
a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

This has made me so mad, Pandering to snowflakes!

what about the majority like me who this offends? don't I get a say?

which part offends you? is it just change in general , or is it a change to a gender neutral phrase , I dont get how changing one phrase to another offends you.

Is acceptance of different people that offends you ?

I cant see why you are offended by changing a phrase to a gender neutral phrase , how can that possibly offend someone

originally posted by: sapien82
which part offends you? is it just change in general , or is it a change to a gender neutral phrase , I dont get how changing one phrase to another offends you.
Is acceptance of different people that offends you ?
I cant see why you are offended by changing a phrase to a gender neutral phrase , how can that possibly offend someone

Fortunately I am not easily offended.

However as I am not gender neutral I feel I am not being catered for.

therefor others are being catered for at my expense ....

So I am asking for fairness rather than equality .....


Is that wrong of me

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: 0racle
Ah, who cares... maybe they're right... ladies and gentlemen is a bit old fashioned...

I agree and not every woman is a lady and not every man is a gentleman. How about "Attention passengers - you are being taken for a ride"?

Or ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you scum.

Or "People" Get ready for here it comes...the next station?

I am fine with that .. or they can do ladies and gentlemen. The problem is not that "people" is bad, it's that ladies and gentlemen isn't bad.

After reading the book "The Women's Room" by Marilyn French, it made me take a second look at this type of outdated reference and other gender references, so I think we should not blindly accept questionable old-fashioned social norms.

No one is blindly doing anything except the people saying ladies and gentlemen are outdated terms that need to be abandoned.

originally posted by: sapien82

originally posted by: ototheb85
a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

This has made me so mad, Pandering to snowflakes!

what about the majority like me who this offends? don't I get a say?

which part offends you? is it just change in general , or is it a change to a gender neutral phrase , I dont get how changing one phrase to another offends you.

Is acceptance of different people that offends you ?

I cant see why you are offended by changing a phrase to a gender neutral phrase , how can that possibly offend someone

And what about the people who WANT to be called a lady or a gentleman? Why does the small minority need acceptance and to be catered to only? Is acceptance of people different from them so offensive to them?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: kaylaluv

Which avoids the argument of whether ladies and gentlemen is offensive. Hint, it's not.

Neither is passengers

And I would not care if they used the term. It's not the term, it's WHY they changed that matters.

What, are you the thought police?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: 0racle
Ah, who cares... maybe they're right... ladies and gentlemen is a bit old fashioned...

I agree and not every woman is a lady and not every man is a gentleman. How about "Attention passengers - you are being taken for a ride"?

Or ladies, gentlemen, and the rest of you scum.

Or "People" Get ready for here it comes...the next station?

I am fine with that .. or they can do ladies and gentlemen. The problem is not that "people" is bad, it's that ladies and gentlemen isn't bad.

After reading the book "The Women's Room" by Marilyn French, it made me take a second look at this type of outdated reference and other gender references, so I think we should not blindly accept questionable old-fashioned social norms.

No one is blindly doing anything except the people saying ladies and gentlemen are outdated terms that need to be abandoned.

The company is in the business of selling a product (subway rides) to a diverse range of people, so they have to be inclusive in their terminology and keep their eyes open to future changes and change as is appropriate. Individuals do not have to change if they don't want to, they can cling on to outdated references and use them at will, but don't expect businesses to cater to the few, they will always cater to the many.

"...“Good evening, ladies and germs,” Berle would announce."

www.psychologytoday.com...

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: kaylaluv

Which avoids the argument of whether ladies and gentlemen is offensive. Hint, it's not.

Neither is passengers

And I would not care if they used the term. It's not the term, it's WHY they changed that matters.

What, are you the thought police?

No, apparently that would be the London Underground.

a reply to: InTheLight

Last I checked there are still only 2 biological sexes. Last I checked a huge part of the LGBT fight was to call a TS man by their chosen gender, to call them a lady, and now doing so is outdated. Claiming something is outdated does not make it so.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yes, there are two biological sexes - men and women. Using the ladies and gentlemen terminology puts labels and or expected behaviours on people that may or may not be present - usually not present.

Well I self-identify as a 65-year old. I plan to start collecting social security now.

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yes, there are two biological sexes - men and women. Using the ladies and gentlemen terminology puts labels and or expected behaviours on people that may or may not be present - usually not present.

Sorry, that's PC bullcrap. There is no expectation put on anyone when someone says that.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yes, there are two biological sexes - men and women. Using the ladies and gentlemen terminology puts labels and or expected behaviours on people that may or may not be present - usually not present.

Sorry, that's PC bullcrap. There is no expectation put on anyone when someone says that.

Yes, there are always expectations (realized or imagined) put out there. Whether or not one realizes it is another issue.

originally posted by: AnonymousCitizen
Well I self-identify as a 65-year old. I plan to start collecting social security now.

Wish I could identify as that.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: kaylaluv

Which avoids the argument of whether ladies and gentlemen is offensive. Hint, it's not.

Neither is passengers

And I would not care if they used the term. It's not the term, it's WHY they changed that matters.

What, are you the thought police?

No, apparently that would be the London Underground.

Thinking, yes...police, no...it's just business.

a reply to: InTheLight

That seems like that is your problem, why are you putting expectations on people?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: InTheLight

That seems like that is your problem, why are you putting expectations on people?

It's not whether or not it is a problem, it is whether or not one accepts this as a fact of life and social interaction.