North Korea's racist ideology and how it connects to Imperial Japan

a reply to: starwarsisreal
I think eventually both North and South will have to unite. No idea how or when. Hopefully the healing can begin.

Hey starwars, you just did an excellent job putting this together and the thread looks great

Thanks for doing all that careful research and compiling an interesting post!

A lot of thought put into this thread my friend, we shadow readers and drive by commenters would like to thank you it's members like you that make the site what it is.

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: Raggedyman

Here's the thing, no other leader in history managed to have people worship them while starving them at the same time. Most of the time people are held by fear like the Soviets under Stalin. They never saw him as divine.

Have the Kims did not implement their system of governance, they would have been overthrown long ago especially after the fall of Communism in 1989.

Look at Romania under Nicolae Ceausescu for example.

Stalin, Mao
Don't you know history
Stalinism, national socialism, they were all cults of personality.
Mao and Hitlers and Stalin all had pictures of themselves, statues, names that were to be honored and if disrespected then the persons who did the disrespecting were punished


Your theory is just crap

It's Darwinism, evolution, it's not Japan, they did what Darwinism taught the.
Inferior is irrelevant, to be destroyed or used

Tell me do you believe in evolution, if you do, then people are animals, if they are animals, why is what these people done wrong

What right do you have to moralise

a reply to: Raggedyman

You didn't even let the OP post his thread before you started taking potshots. You decided that his theory was crap before he'd even finished it.

You seem very emotionally invested in this, May I ask why?

Great post. You should have gone and had it published somewhere instead of wasting it on this site though.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: Raggedyman

You didn't even let the OP post his thread before you started taking potshots. You decided that his theory was crap before he'd even finished it.

You seem very emotionally invested in this, May I ask why?

Really, did you notice that as well
So you need time to process all the information, me, not super smart, I can process other ludicrous lies and comment without needing to process it all

Japanese ideology was based on the same ideology as Nazi Germany, Stalinism, most communist countries, it was based on Darwins evolution

Emotionally invested, yes I am, I can't stand blatantly ignorant theory when basic common sense shows its evolution and Darwinism

Care to argue

Starwars: this was great reading so thanks for posting.

Raggedyman: You have to admit the work is good as far as the content goes. Why you're so adamantly against the post I don't understand. The post doesn't conclude that there isn't a bit of Darwanism in all of this.

The image of Dennis Rodman and 'lil Kim is ironic. If you wanted to reinforce the idea with your people that Americans are scary, who better to parade around than Dennis!

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
Starwars: this was great reading so thanks for posting.

Raggedyman: You have to admit the work is good as far as the content goes. Why you're so adamantly against the post I don't understand. The post doesn't conclude that there isn't a bit of Darwanism in all of this.

The image of Dennis Rodman and 'lil Kim is ironic. If you wanted to reinforce the idea with your people that Americans are scary, who better to parade around than Dennis!

I don't think it's accurate at all, I don't think it's good
I think it's an anti Japanese, a fabrication justifying the stupidity of Norh Korea and ignoring the horrific impact of theory equating humans with animals, and the impact that theory has had on so many millions of lives
Atheism repackaged as a science, based on belief that has caused more deaths than any and probably all religions, evolution

No doubt the post offers morsels of Darwinism, unfortunately the whole story is Darwinism and it's teaching that...
Humans are just animals
The Japanese believed that because they had less body hair, sweated less, they were more evolved
Darwinism, the root cause

Remember NK is an atheist state

a reply to: Raggedyman

a reply to: Raggedyman

Is NK a atheist state if they view their leader as being divine?

You keep using Darwinism to describe the views of racial superiority held by NK, which is a poor use of the word as darwinism is a theory of evolution through natural selection not a cultural view of superiority. There are better words to use to describe this such as Ethnocentrism or Supremacism.

In your attempt to blame Darwinism as the root cause you fail to grasp that the theory itself came about long after the idea of using racial superiority to justify war and oppression throughout history. I can only assume that your fanatical religious ideology is that of a creationist seeking to blame Darwin's theory of evolution itself rather then see it as an idea that was weaponized. Darwinism was a key point used to promote eugenics in the US and the Nazi regime but it is by no means the only tool used to legitimize oppression from a historical viewpoint.

Why would you use a post detailing the post war history of NK and how its lead to the current state of affairs to illustrate your point?

Do you understand how pointing to darwinism and evolution as the primary tool for these political ideologies fails when viewed from a historical context?

Especially when viewed from the perspective of Imperialist Japan, born out of the Meiji restoration that marked the end of the Tokugawa shogunate. This was a direct response to the military inferiority of Japan in the modern era caused by 2 centuries of the shogunates seclusion policy. The policy gave rise to Japanese xenophobia and was reinforced thru generations of shogunate rule. The rapid industrialization and militarization of the country gave rise to military force that utilized this xenophobia into a weapon to drive expansion. Prior to the Meiji era the common view was primarily based on intellectual and spiritual superiority. The Idea of evolutionary superiority only came with the end of the seclusion policy.

Its been a few years since I was in school so any points needing revision feel free to contribute.

a reply to: kobalt7

Do me a favor
Quote the full name of Darwins book in your next reply
That will save me explaining the obvious and challenging your failed reply

Was Darwins book the only tool, of course not silly, but it was science...

a reply to: Raggedyman
Being Sunday, I had real-life things to do today so just now getting back to my laptop.

I would certainly agree that "Humans are just animals" and we're still evolving. You don't have to look beyond the left-right nonsense on ATS to see the pack mentality that exists among us all. The NK's are a pack as are the Japanese, the Chinese, westerners, African Americans, etc. Heck, I even see it in business.

I see the OP as a case study of the Kim ruling family and what makes them tick. That kind of analysis, if accurate, should be read by the the US military before making a move. Understanding your enemy's thinking is as important as counting the number of missiles they have.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

So what does it matter to you if a few animals die, what's the fuss about
No value at all
Human resources, just a resource.
Eugenics is acceptable, useless eaters et al

a reply to: Raggedyman

To make your point clearer so it can be intelligently discussed, could you quote the parts you disagree with and why?

There is a great deal to absorb in the OP?

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

So what does it matter to you if a few animals die, what's the fuss about
No value at all
Human resources, just a resource.
Eugenics is acceptable, useless eaters et al

I'm really not sure what you mean. Eugenics is just an attempt to rush what nature does over millenniums. In the meantime, we have to live with our condition and our tribal and warring ways. It's going to take many more generations before we reach another level.

Speaking of other levels, I have less hair on my arms, chest and back than a lot of other men. Does that mean I'm a link up the chain?

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Raggedyman

To make your point clearer so it can be intelligently discussed, could you quote the parts you disagree with and why?

There is a great deal to absorb in the OP?

I disagree with the premise that the fault is laid at the feet of Japan when the actual issue is with Darwinism
or
"On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"
Thats Darwins book title, see the "Favoured Races" Japan took that favoured races part on literately, the Japanese considered themselves a favoured race.
Dont just blame the Japanese, blame also where their ideology came from
Darwinism and Edward Morse



"On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"
This influenced the Japanese to treat other races as inferior, sub human

www.amazon.de...

ir.library.oregonstate.edu...;jsessionid=8C66D7C173D6C5C2CCB12A334A9BB2BD?s equence=1

wiki.samurai-archives.com...

www.japantimes.co.jp...


So its not parts, its the whole premise
As much as Japan was at fault, it was Darwinism and his favoured races

originally posted by: Raggedyman
"On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"
This influenced the Japanese to treat other races as inferior, sub human

I've no idea why you keep wittering on about Darwin. Not that it's really relevant to the discussion, but the "races" in the title is not being used in the modern sense:

Here and elsewhere in the book, Darwin used the biological term "races" interchangeably with "varieties",[73] meaning varieties within a species,[74] in a broad sense covering competing individuals or groups, whether of the same "race" or of different "races".[75] Thus, he discussed "the several races, for instance, of the cabbage" and "the hereditary varieties or races of our domestic animals and plants".[76]

Humans are barely discussed in the book. Darwin's views on race have been much debated and analysed, and they were, of course, influenced by the 19th century culture he lived in. However he was always passionate in his opposition to slavery and any form of brutality to fellow man. Not something that can be said about many "god fearing" Christians during that period (and after).

Anyway, Darwins' views on race are of historical interest, not scientific. Modern evolutionary biology doesn't even recognise "race" as a concept, let alone say anything that would justify shovelling innocent people into ovens or raping and killing your way across another country.

So its not parts, its the whole premise
As much as Japan was at fault, it was Darwinism and his favoured races

The excellent OP doesn't just say "it was Japan's fault" - it just lists this particular aspect as highly influential in informing NK's ideas on race.