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“There are no atheists in hospice nursing.”

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posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: BigBangWasAnEcho

originally posted by: Annee
I am atheist.

Atheist simply means "Lack of believe in a God".

It does not mean anything else. Like not believing there is more going on then we can see.



Wrong, you are a denial laden theist. If you believe that conciousness creates, youre a theist. You just hate Christians because of the Churchian personification of God as a human being figure. Which there's no evidence of that in their scriptures, despite their or your efforts to twist the concept of a God into a mandaddy sitting in the clouds. Thats a Greco-Roman ideology, not a Christian one.

Stop hating God just because youre surroundings are idiot humans. God's not just a giant idiot human. He's not a person. But you can have a personal relationship with 'him'. Unless youre caucasian then it's a little more complicated. You'll need an intermediate, or an escort in the situation of death.


Oh Gawd, the Christian persecution complex again.

Can't hate something I do not believe exists.

ENERGY consciousness. ENERGY evolved to have consciousness. NOT a God.

Unless we are all our own God.




posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: Cutepants


did anyone read the full article? The abstract doesn't say what they mean with DBC, I'm assuming it can't be just any communication taking place on the death bed, but it's unclear how they define it.

I think someone has to be a logged in member of the service(either paid for by employer or self) in order to download it. But the second article does give a definition for DBV (death bed visions)

Less familiar, but known to most social workers in hospice and other end of life settings, is that NDEs are part of a constellation of unexplained phenomena often reported around the time of death. Sometimes referred to as deathbed phenomena or transpersonal end-of-life experiences, these include deathbed visions (DBVs) in which a dying person reports that they are being visited by deceased loved ones or other beings invisible to those around the bedside, and after-death communication (DBC) in which an individual has the sensation or perception of having been visited by a deceased loved one.
Deathbed Phenomena in Hospice Care: The Social Work Response

I think what the first article refers to as DBC(communications) is the same phenomenon as ABV(vision) in the second article.

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As for my little detraction to living people as visitor or communicator: There is this:

As with NDEs, Curtis notes that DBVs often bring a sense of comfort to patients and families and may help reduce anxiety about death. The few empirical studies that exist suggest that patients typically report, or appear to exhibit signs of, peace, love, joy, death acceptance, or a renewed connection with the departed. Another common feature evident in existing research is that these 'visitors' often convey the message that they have arrived to accompany the patient on a journey, or into another mode of existence

I have stories wherein the benefits of peace, joy, and death acceptance are achieved by human visitation and communication. That's what I meant.
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And look at the last sentence. The patient may assume that the human visitor is the Psychopomp(guide to afterlife). And that was what I had in mind when I wrote the poem. Then I lied about the reason I wrote it just in order to segue to the video. Even poets lie. Sorry.
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posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: pthena
Oh, I wasn't accusing you of anything, sorry if I came across strangely. I just wondered if the article might have meant just any sort of comforting communication, but I do think they meant more unusual stuff. I just think you brought up a good point.

I'm open to these kind of phenomena. I personally think things are more complicated and weirder than in a lot popular stories about meeting your dead relatives and so on, but death is a real mystery, I don't pretend to know. In modern culture we've distanced ourselves from death and hidden it away, real death that is, not action movies and such. I spent a night once with a person who died very soon after, to keep him company. I was really young, the whole experience feels unreal when I look back at it.



posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 12:27 PM
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I have been around old folk when they pass away and a couple of times the person did talk to their dead family members before passing away.
While spooky I think it may have to do with the pineal gland in the brain releasing '___' into the brain at the time of death.



posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
I am atheist.

Atheist simply means "Lack of believe in a God".

It does not mean anything else. Like not believing there is more going on then we can see.

I believe consciousness is energy. That the energy consciousness continues after physical death.

If I saw a past relative/friend at my death time - - I would still be atheist.





I was always under the impression that Athiest do not believe in anything...not even an afterlife. I always considered myself to be agnostic bc of that...I did not believe in a Christian "god" but I did believe there was something higher than us that we did not know much of and certainly that there is an afterlife.

So do you believe the afterlife is scientific in nature and that is why you can be both Athiest and believer of the afterlife?



posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: Cutepants


Oh, I wasn't accusing you of anything, sorry if I came across strangely

LOL! Just my guilty conscience. I rechecked the poem page, the segue wasn't as bad as I thought.


In modern culture we've distanced ourselves from death and hidden it away, real death that is,

In modern culture there are priests and pastors and even chaplains who perform last rights and such. Not everyone is hooked in with the worldviews represented by such vocations and avocations. What they offer may not be what is needed by the patient, peace, joy, and death acceptance.

Here's an anecdote:

I was doing rounds when a woman came out of a room and asked me to talk with her dying husband. She told me that he was rather agitated about something. I don't pretend to know anything about the other side. Therefore:

I said to him, "Picture in your mind your favorite spot in the woods."
He started crying and said, "I wanted to be in the Forest Service, but there weren't enough openings, so I joined the Park Service."

His wife nodded and said "His whole working career. He retired from the Park Service."

So I told him, "That's okay. The missions aren't exactly the same, the Forest Service is about use and sustainability and the Park Service is about preservation for use. Not much difference. In fact the use of parks is for recreation and experiencing nature. So it's really okay."

Then his tears were of joy and peace and acceptance. And then he was relaxed rather than agitated.
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My theory is that some of the fear of death has to do with the notion that one's life is futile or has been lived in vain. Sometimes what's needed is to hear that "you done good".



posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 02:41 PM
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Dreams of teeth falling out as a stress indicator are also universal, across the world. In context, seeing loved ones or anyone expected to be on 'the other side' doesn't seem that mystical or abnormal.
My $0.02
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posted on Jul, 17 2017 @ 06:52 PM
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My best friend died of breast cancer at a fairly young age. She was a vibrant, beautiful woman--full of life and energy.

Many of the people who loved her were at her house the night she died. While she was going through the intense process of dying she was mostly unconscious or in a different state than the wake state.

She was having a very intense conversation with someone we couldn't see for at least an hour. She was nodding and talking and answering someone. I felt it was more than one "person." And it was a really intense conversation that went on and on. She could hear this person people in her head because she'd stop and actively listen and nod and be eager to answer. When she did answer sometimes I could pick out words---and once heard my name in a sentence. But this was a private conversation she was having and while we were witnessing it, we couldn't be a part of it. We could only watch.

It was the most fascinating thing I've ever seen.

And my friend was present when her grandmother died. Her grandmother was yelling..."no, I don't want to come with you!" And was also having a conversation with someone---much louder than my friend.

After a time she repeated this plea...that she didn't want to go with them and then a bit later said defeatedly... "okayyyy...."and died.

My brother, who is a successful businessman, and hates that he can see ghosts but sees them anyway.... has all sorts of stories. He doesn't see them daily but occassionally, the poor guy!
He's not even the least bit religious!

When our cousin died at only 36, my brother was away on business at a hotel and he awoke to find her standing by his bed---confused..not sure she was really dead...is how he described it. And he could hear but not see our dad behind her trying to get her to come with hm. Our dad passed fairly young six years before.

I have been alive long enough and seen enough in life to say that somethmg mysterious happens when we die.

What it is... I do not know...
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posted on Jul, 18 2017 @ 09:56 PM
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People will say, hey I believe in consciousness living on and in life after death, I believe in an afterlife, but God? Like some sort of self-consciously aware infinite intelligence and spirit of the universe - no way, that's out of the question!



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 03:59 AM
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originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: mrperplexed

Yes...even with war, famine, innocents and the suffering all over the world.

I dont profess to understand the reasoning of God (or to argue if there is One)....it may be only to convey something....to learn. To grow. To understand. Why? I dont know. But, there is something to learn from all living, life and death...

It will take me all of this one and perhaps more lifetimes....to understand and make my own contributions....IMO


The Christian concept of Free Will, and the ripple effect of sin explain this quite well imo. People are allowed to make whatever decisions they want; God wants people to make sincere, and not forced decisions. Otherwise you would not truly have free will, and the "goodness" in people would not be authentic. You can also utilize free will through prayer seeking God's intervention in a situation (or at least I've often pondered that point, and in my view that would be the logical extension of free will).



posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

The definition of God has been tainted since forever,

God = All That Is.

Everything is made of God cause there is nothing else to make anything else from.

That also means that We are made of God! We are god experiencing itself from different points of view.
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posted on Jul, 19 2017 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Annee
I am atheist.

Atheist simply means "Lack of believe in a God".

It does not mean anything else. Like not believing there is more going on then we can see.

I believe consciousness is energy. That the energy consciousness continues after physical death.

If I saw a past relative/friend at my death time - - I would still be atheist.





I was always under the impression that Athiest do not believe in anything...not even an afterlife. I always considered myself to be agnostic bc of that...I did not believe in a Christian "god" but I did believe there was something higher than us that we did not know much of and certainly that there is an afterlife.

So do you believe the afterlife is scientific in nature and that is why you can be both Athiest and believer of the afterlife?


Nope. Atheist means "Lack of belief in a god/deity". That is all it means.

I'd claim everyone is agnostic, because God can not be proven or dis-proven.

Agnostic atheist - - - just means I lean toward there being no god.

Agnostic Christian - - - just means one who leans toward there being a god.

Neither can be proven or dis-proven.

Atheists are tied together by one thing and one thing only. "Lack of believe in a god/deity".

Beyond that they are individuals who can believe or not - - - anything they want. And they do.



posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: cyberjedi
a reply to: AnkhMorpork

The definition of God has been tainted since forever,

God = All That Is.

Everything is made of God cause there is nothing else to make anything else from.

That also means that We are made of God! We are god experiencing itself from different points of view.


I suppose I'm referring to God as a transcendent supreme being, yes of which we are a part, while not trying to reduce God in any way.

We live in a creation born of an original intent and conception. Talk about power and fine point control over space and time!



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 04:52 PM
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You will likely be horrified to know that negative beings feed off your positive worship of your selected deity. It doesn't matter how loving your intentions are. When you drop to your knees, clasp your hands and look up for the answers, you are giving your power away to evil beings. Read the words of Jesus and those before him. They all tell you the kingdom of heaven is within you. God is within you. You are god. We all are.

The "loved ones" most see are actually demons luring them into a false sense of security so they may lead them down their endless reencarnative path. Living essentially the same life over and over again. Experiencing little progress or true conscious evolution. We live in a trap.

If you find yourself at deaths door and are standing before the tunnel of light, go in any other direction. No matter how tempting or how many loved ones you see coaxing you towards it. It is like a bug lamp. Only instead of zapping you out of existence it bounces you right back to square one and forces you to relive a life you have lived many times, over and over in different forms. Repeating the same dull cycles.

They go by many names. Some call them the Archons. Some believe they are Reptilians. There's not really any way for us to tell. All you need to know is they are evil and they will do everything in their power to manipulate you and lead you from your true power which lies within.



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 05:32 PM
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My sister-in-law was a nurse in a nursing home for over a decade. She didn't end up quitting because of weird stuff, she just got burned out (low pay, s#ty treatment by families, groping you can't do anything about by residents, etc) It wasn't a hospice, but people sure treated it like one, moving the elderly relative in & waiting for the inevitable over the years.

For a time, we expected spooky ToD (time of death) stories eventually, she tended to many patients who died quite literally with her actively tending to them at their bedsides.

There were never any oogity boogity death stories to tell. She said sometimes people would hallucinate right before they died if they were awake, but usually not. The old folks typically went very quietly, most often in their sleep. 10+ years of that 8-10 hours a day, and the death hallucinations weren't as common as people desperately want to believe.

Furthermore, when my own grandmother died from a cancer she didn't bother telling anyone about, my husband morphed into her long-dead first husband and stayed that way despite repeated corrections & her dismissing them, for the entire month it she had left from hospital admittance to death in the hospice.
This doesn't convince me that there is a god or even an afterlife at all. It backs up my own view that our bodies are like a crumbling, malfunctioning machine near death and cease working right until final shut-down.

In my grandmother's case, maybe she was strongly excited at the prospect of potentially seeing that beloved first husband, and conjured the image up & plastered it on my husband's form due to a strong desire for familiarity or comfort (likely comfort) This makes much more sense to me than any paranormal explanation does.
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posted on Jul, 30 2017 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: NthOther
Notice how all the Atheists feel the need to come in here and educate everyone on what atheism "really is"?

Because, after all, Atheists are much smarter than the lot of you and they want you to know it.

How that helps anyone or anything other than the Atheist's ego, I have no idea.

Anything to keep the conversation sidetracked.



At the same time, the atheist posts on here have been pretty open minded though. In fact, they said they could see these experiences being real.

All they pointed out is that seeing dead people or ghosts does not mean that God in our western sense exists. The two do not equal each other. For example, there could be energetic continuation of our consciousness beyond death, but not a creator or ruler of the universe that controls everything.

I'm not taking a side here, but it is an important point. T

I've also seen not infrequently other logical fallacies along these lines. I will hear people say that they had some kind of strange experience or even had what they felt was a supernatural experience. Then often they make the mistake of assuming that therefore there is a God, or that the religion of their culture is true 100%, rather than just opening their mind a bit or realizing maybe there is some kind of spiritual or deeper reality. There are so many possibilities on the scale of spirituality or metaphysics. Similarly, let's say someone has an answered prayer. If you are in western culture, that doesn't mean that Christianity is true. It could be that Islam is true, or Hinduism...
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