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Proving Spontaneity of Post-Impact WTC Towers Collapse

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posted on Dec, 19 2017 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: samkent




That just goes to show that over 50% have IQ's just above cucumbers. 
So when they claim 911 was an inside job just put them in the pickle jar with the rest. 
Just because the majority believe in something it doesn't mean they are correct.


Wow, opinion overload, and a bad one at that.

Never stated they were correct.

Clever post though, lol.




posted on Dec, 19 2017 @ 10:08 PM
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idk....

they're heavy into fakery....



posted on Dec, 19 2017 @ 10:38 PM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: MrBig2430


Yeah, sometimes I’ll attempt to bring some facts to light, if it seems as if the other person is woefully misinformed. 

But like I’ve said, the facts have been out there to be discovered for quite a while now. And if you’re well adjusted and intelligent enough, then you can’t have these 9/11 was an inside job thoughts. That’s just how I see it


Son, I have been watching 9/11 threads on this board for more than 15years. Nothing I ask for is found in your cue cards.


How do you know that whatever it is that you’re asking for is of any relevance?





Show me a computer generated visual dramatization of the towers collapsing. It was a popular event. Surely a hobbiest or college student must have put something together by now.

I'll wait.


So why haven’t you in 15 years, if it’s so important to you?

Are you that lazy?



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 03:40 AM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: MALBOSIA

The individual is lonely because they choose to occasionally fight ignorance? If the individual was lonely, they would repeate the false conspiracy narratives to get hollow accolades from fellow conspiracists.

I think you were after a cheap shot with no foundation in reality.

And like to state a credible theory conspiracists have to supersede impact / fire related inward bowing and buckling for the towers collapse?

Like to provide actual quotes to create an actual case?


A case for what?

What are you on about.

Did you just peddle the site modo to defend you swallowing every word of the OS as truth?

That works on people?

You should just ignore me.


You actually going to cite facts and evidence? Or you just another intellectual dishonesty poster, and for personal attacks.

You are the one making cheap comments with no credible proof.



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 03:41 AM
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originally posted by: GBP/JPY
idk....

they're heavy into fakery....


How big of a crater should a 12 diameter fuselage make? By a jet going fast enough to be torn apart on impact?
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posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 03:54 AM
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a reply to: Antipathy17

I thought the reason this took place, was determined?

War is good business, and business is good, as per say, the never ending motto goes?

Wars = Power, Money & Control over large populations. Perchance, i'm incorrect, but i doubt that. England ruled the world at one time, they still own much of it.

People in power value their Iron Fist over Currency, because Power = everything. No Power, No Currency. So, Power is the current monetary system of choice.

What i'm getting at is, everything we think is created by some kind of terrorist rebellion, was concocted. But we all know this, so, the only true Conspiracy left to ponder is, Why are we letting them and why are we continuing to believe their lies?
edit on 20-12-2017 by Sapphire because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 04:13 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

Where have I ever defended the government or all the official narrative.

More false arguments by you.

I have weighed the actual video evidence, physical evidenced, debunker comments, conspiracists comments, watched debunker vs truth movement debates, and studied as much as I can.

The truth movement leadership only offers false arguments and narratives, while they seek personal gain by exploiting 9/11. I will not enable that!

The most fitting and only plausible explanation for the inward bowing and buckling of the outer vertical columns of the towers which initiated collapse is impact damage/ fire / thermal stress.

Can you explain in terms of conspiracy theories what occurred in the video to this linked to thread?
the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/
www.metabunk.org...

It’s only video evidence of the initiation of WTC 2 collapse.

The only thing the truth movement has to offer is?

Steven Jones and thermite, based on a fraudulent paper. Experiments that individuals could not reproduce Jone’s results. Thermite applied as paint or ceiling tiles?

Richard Gage and AE 9/11 Truth? Mythical fizzle no flash explosives that some how caused lateral ejection? Lateral ejection explained by simple collisions. By a group that claimed the towers fell in their own footprints? Based on false claims the towers fell at the rate of free fall. Through the steel columns that in fact actually remained standing whole seconds after the complete collapse of the floor systems.

Or Dr Wood that wrote a book debunking all other conspiracy theories for the twin towers, but then goes to push Dustification.

The truth movement has a serious credibility issued, and most reasonable people see them for the con artists that they are.



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 06:13 AM
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a reply to: MALBOSIA

Behind Purdue's computing simulation on the 2001 World Trade Center attack
www.zdnet.com...



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 06:28 AM
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a reply to: MrBig2430


Yes, the debate is over. The debate was over when Kean and Hamilton pronounced that the Commission was set up to fail.

By that statement it was "proved" that the Commission was a farce, rather like the Warren Commission before it.

After the final report came out in August 2003, Senator Mark Dayton further proved how false the narrative and conclusion was when he stated in public that NORAD had lied. He simply compared the time lines for various events as stated by NORAD.

Yes, the debate was over a long time ago. The only thing proved regarding 911 is that the official narrative is utterly false. That has been proved many times over, in many different ways.



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 07:46 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Behind Purdue's computing simulation on the 2001 World Trade Center attack
www.zdnet.com...



Is there a YouTube link For this? The site you linked is asking me to download.



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 07:47 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: MALBOSIA

The individual is lonely because they choose to occasionally fight ignorance? If the individual was lonely, they would repeate the false conspiracy narratives to get hollow accolades from fellow conspiracists.

I think you were after a cheap shot with no foundation in reality.

And like to state a credible theory conspiracists have to supersede impact / fire related inward bowing and buckling for the towers collapse?

Like to provide actual quotes to create an actual case?


A case for what?

What are you on about.

Did you just peddle the site modo to defend you swallowing every word of the OS as truth?

That works on people?

You should just ignore me.


You actually going to cite facts and evidence? Or you just another intellectual dishonesty poster, and for personal attacks.

You are the one making cheap comments with no credible proof.


Evidence of what?

I have made no claims.



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: MrBig2430


Yeah, sometimes I’ll attempt to bring some facts to light, if it seems as if the other person is woefully misinformed. 

But like I’ve said, the facts have been out there to be discovered for quite a while now. And if you’re well adjusted and intelligent enough, then you can’t have these 9/11 was an inside job thoughts. That’s just how I see it


Son, I have been watching 9/11 threads on this board for more than 15years. Nothing I ask for is found in your cue cards.


How do you know that whatever it is that you’re asking for is of any relevance?





Show me a computer generated visual dramatization of the towers collapsing. It was a popular event. Surely a hobbiest or college student must have put something together by now.

I'll wait.


So why haven’t you in 15 years, if it’s so important to you?

Are you that lazy?


If there is evidence, I hope it never comes to light. That would be disastrous for the entire world.

I want to see the video for entertainment purposes.



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: MrBig2430


Yes, the debate is over. The debate was over when Kean and Hamilton pronounced that the Commission was set up to fail.

By that statement it was "proved" that the Commission was a farce, rather like the Warren Commission before it.

After the final report came out in August 2003, Senator Mark Dayton further proved how false the narrative and conclusion was when he stated in public that NORAD had lied. He simply compared the time lines for various events as stated by NORAD.

Yes, the debate was over a long time ago. The only thing proved regarding 911 is that the official narrative is utterly false. That has been proved many times over, in many different ways.


I’ve publicly stated that the com report was a political cover up. So you’ll get no argument from me on that point.

However, that still doesn’t leave any room for making a case, in any way, shape, or form, that 9/11 was an inside job.

Nor do any perceived failings in that report affect anything in any of the NIST reports, nor private reports that all agree with the general narrative of the events that goofballs call the OS.



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 07:57 AM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: MrBig2430


Yeah, sometimes I’ll attempt to bring some facts to light, if it seems as if the other person is woefully misinformed. 

But like I’ve said, the facts have been out there to be discovered for quite a while now. And if you’re well adjusted and intelligent enough, then you can’t have these 9/11 was an inside job thoughts. That’s just how I see it


Son, I have been watching 9/11 threads on this board for more than 15years. Nothing I ask for is found in your cue cards.


How do you know that whatever it is that you’re asking for is of any relevance?





Show me a computer generated visual dramatization of the towers collapsing. It was a popular event. Surely a hobbiest or college student must have put something together by now.

I'll wait.


So why haven’t you in 15 years, if it’s so important to you?

Are you that lazy?


If there is evidence, I hope it never comes to light. That would be disastrous for the entire world.

I want to see the video for entertainment purposes.


So then make it yourself.

But that isn’t gonna happen for that’s a truther hallmark. Laziness



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 08:18 AM
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originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: MrBig2430


Yeah, sometimes I’ll attempt to bring some facts to light, if it seems as if the other person is woefully misinformed. 

But like I’ve said, the facts have been out there to be discovered for quite a while now. And if you’re well adjusted and intelligent enough, then you can’t have these 9/11 was an inside job thoughts. That’s just how I see it


Son, I have been watching 9/11 threads on this board for more than 15years. Nothing I ask for is found in your cue cards.


How do you know that whatever it is that you’re asking for is of any relevance?





Show me a computer generated visual dramatization of the towers collapsing. It was a popular event. Surely a hobbiest or college student must have put something together by now.

I'll wait.


So why haven’t you in 15 years, if it’s so important to you?

Are you that lazy?


If there is evidence, I hope it never comes to light. That would be disastrous for the entire world.

I want to see the video for entertainment purposes.


So then make it yourself.

But that isn’t gonna happen for that’s a truther hallmark. Laziness


That s not going to happen because I don't have the qualifications to make one. I'm a project manager. Give me a support staff, a budget and a deadline and I'll make you the best damn video you have ever seen.

Laziness is spending as much time as you do belittling people on the internet because nothing else you can do is of any value.

Good day.



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: MrBig2430


Yeah, sometimes I’ll attempt to bring some facts to light, if it seems as if the other person is woefully misinformed. 

But like I’ve said, the facts have been out there to be discovered for quite a while now. And if you’re well adjusted and intelligent enough, then you can’t have these 9/11 was an inside job thoughts. That’s just how I see it


Son, I have been watching 9/11 threads on this board for more than 15years. Nothing I ask for is found in your cue cards.


How do you know that whatever it is that you’re asking for is of any relevance?





Show me a computer generated visual dramatization of the towers collapsing. It was a popular event. Surely a hobbiest or college student must have put something together by now.

I'll wait.


So why haven’t you in 15 years, if it’s so important to you?

Are you that lazy?


If there is evidence, I hope it never comes to light. That would be disastrous for the entire world.

I want to see the video for entertainment purposes.


So then make it yourself.

But that isn’t gonna happen for that’s a truther hallmark. Laziness


That s not going to happen because I don't have the qualifications to make one. I'm a project manager. Give me a support staff, a budget and a deadline and I'll make you the best damn video you have ever seen.

Laziness is spending as much time as you do belittling people on the internet because nothing else you can do is of any value.

Good day.


AE911 turns over around half a million a year. See if they'll give you funding



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: MrBig2430


Yeah, sometimes I’ll attempt to bring some facts to light, if it seems as if the other person is woefully misinformed. 

But like I’ve said, the facts have been out there to be discovered for quite a while now. And if you’re well adjusted and intelligent enough, then you can’t have these 9/11 was an inside job thoughts. That’s just how I see it


Son, I have been watching 9/11 threads on this board for more than 15years. Nothing I ask for is found in your cue cards.


How do you know that whatever it is that you’re asking for is of any relevance?





Show me a computer generated visual dramatization of the towers collapsing. It was a popular event. Surely a hobbiest or college student must have put something together by now.

I'll wait.


So why haven’t you in 15 years, if it’s so important to you?

Are you that lazy?


If there is evidence, I hope it never comes to light. That would be disastrous for the entire world.

I want to see the video for entertainment purposes.


So then make it yourself.

But that isn’t gonna happen for that’s a truther hallmark. Laziness


That s not going to happen because I don't have the qualifications to make one. I'm a project manager. Give me a support staff, a budget and a deadline and I'll make you the best damn video you have ever seen.

Laziness is spending as much time as you do belittling people on the internet because nothing else you can do is of any value.

Good day.


AE911 turns over around half a million a year. See if they'll give you funding


It would be better if NIST did it. Mind you they were only given a finite budget of a few million. Nobody that matters wants to see it.

Beside I prefer projects where buildings go up, not come down.



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Behind Purdue's computing simulation on the 2001 World Trade Center attack
www.zdnet.com...



Is there a YouTube link For this? The site you linked is asking me to download.


Your first problem, the first place you seek knowledge is on YouTube? You know there is a whole word of academics that you either have to have journal subscriptions, or go to a college library to study the material.

Your second problem, actually do real research. Stop being spoon feed by conspiracy sites that seek likes and hits by sensationalizing innuendo.

Mechanics of the WTC collapse
link.springer.com...






How did the WTC towers collapse: a new theory

www.sciencedirect.com...


Abstract
This paper uses a finite-element model to investigate the stability of the Twin-Towers of the World Trade Center, New York for a number of different fire scenarios. This investigation does not take into account the structural damage caused by the terrorist attack. However, the fire scenarios included are based upon the likely fires that could have occurred as a result of the attack. A number of different explanations of how and why the Towers collapsed have appeared since the event. None of these however have adequately focused on the most important issue, namely ‘what structural mechanisms led to the state which triggered the collapse’....


The analysis results show a simple but unmistakable collapse mechanism that owes as much (or more) to the geometric thermal expansion effects as it does to the material effects of loss of strength and stiffness. The collapse mechanism discovered is a simple stability failure directly related to the effect of heating (fire). Additionally, the mechanism is not dependent upon failure of structural connections.


edit on 20-12-2017 by neutronflux because: Added and dixed

edit on 20-12-2017 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: MrBig2430


Yeah, sometimes I’ll attempt to bring some facts to light, if it seems as if the other person is woefully misinformed. 

But like I’ve said, the facts have been out there to be discovered for quite a while now. And if you’re well adjusted and intelligent enough, then you can’t have these 9/11 was an inside job thoughts. That’s just how I see it


Son, I have been watching 9/11 threads on this board for more than 15years. Nothing I ask for is found in your cue cards.


How do you know that whatever it is that you’re asking for is of any relevance?





Show me a computer generated visual dramatization of the towers collapsing. It was a popular event. Surely a hobbiest or college student must have put something together by now.

I'll wait.


So why haven’t you in 15 years, if it’s so important to you?

Are you that lazy?


If there is evidence, I hope it never comes to light. That would be disastrous for the entire world.

I want to see the video for entertainment purposes.



But that isn’t gonna happen for that’s a truther hallmark. Laziness


Yep, not going to happen



posted on Dec, 20 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: MALBOSIA

Can you at least post the WTC 7 research submitted under deposition for a lawsuit?

What’s AE answer to the cause of destruction at the WTC? Mythical fizzle no flash explosives? Can you cite a specific models by AE way the towers or WTC 7 collapsed?




By: benthamitemetric
www.metabunk.org...
www.metabunk.org...

ae911-truths-wtc7-evaluation-computer-modelling-project.t5627/page-31
www.metabunk.org...
www.metabunk.org...

Each of the the NIST, Arup, and WAI studies were conducted by multiple PhDs with expertise in forensic engineering, tall building engineering or fire science, and the NIST WTC7 report was also independently peer reviewed by the Journal of Structural Engineering (whose editors and peer reviewers have similar levels of expertise), while not a single expert on forensic engineering, tall building engineering or fire science

There is only a single study (Hulsey's) that purports to reach a conclusion contrary to what the other studies have concluded re the vulnerability of WTC7 to progressive collapse from reasonable fire scenarios.



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