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The Vertical Plane by Ken Webster - Is this proof of Time manipulation and travel or just a story?

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posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 05:35 AM
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Hi everyone, I just joined so I could post in this thread. I read the book last year, and I read the whole thread last summer. I find the story fascinating, and I am also very interested in some of the concepts that have been discussed in this thread such as the nature of consciousness. Something made me think of the story again, so I came back to it. I'm glad to see that there has been more discussion recently.

I just wanted to point out something that I noticed in the book. It's probably just a typo and not relevant at all, but on the off chance I thought I would mention it anyway. On page 144 it says that "On Saturday 27th May the sheriff wrote describing how Lukas behaved in court during the trial". That date stood out to me because the year is 1985, and I know that the 27th of May was a Monday.
I thought I would point it out just in case. I haven't checked any other dates, that one just stood out to me.




posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 07:14 PM
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Welcome to the conversation! That is an interesting point to make and I am not sure what to make of that.

Ok now I reread I think I understand. That statement is one being made from Tomas time rather than in 1985. It would be interesting to try and see a calender from 15xx and see if it would match up.
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posted on Feb, 28 2019 @ 11:27 PM
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What if everthing that will ever happen has not only already happened, but already happened for an infinite amount of times. The entire birth and death of the universe over and over again for so long that it gives eternity anxiety. Every iteration and combination and creation of every event to exist. Over and over again like a heart beat, like moving through a strobe light. Each and every pulse an eternity in itself, until some crescendo of magnificence.

What a wild ride we are all on. It is getting so intense. I feel like we need to slow down. Maybe I need it to slow down.



posted on Mar, 4 2019 @ 05:29 AM
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I didn't read it as being from Tomas' time, it reads to me as being one of a sequence of dates from Ken's time. On page 136 he speaks of 2109 offering 'advice' on the 17th of May, p144 he get's a message from the sheriff on Sat 27th May, and then on page 145 it is the 28th May and Ken is driving on the M6.
It may be of no relevance at all, but then there are other seemingly deliberate errors such as the mislabeling of chapter 23 as Chapter 7.

I once read a modified version of the many worlds theory that stated that every possible outcome of every possible situation exists, but in a state of superposition. The many worlds theory proposes that new universes are created whenever multiple outcomes are possible - a new universe for each outcome, which could mean infinite numbers of universes. But the modified theory stated that all of these outcomes exist simultaneously, but in a state of superposition. Time doesn't exist so all the possible outcomes in every situation exist simultaneously and always have. The conscious mind navigates it's way through these possibilities, subconsciously choosing outcomes. Once the outcome has been observed then it ceases to be in a state of superposition and becomes our perceived reality. Time is merely a construct.

I really like that theory, and it makes me wonder how differently each individual experiences reality. Are the other people that I meet in my life experiencing the same outcomes that I observe them to experience in my perceived reality? Do we even exist as individuals or is the self an illusion? Are we all the same conciousness exploring reality repeatedly in different ways?



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 08:24 PM
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Is there anybody out there

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posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 08:15 AM
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Howdy! I am most certainly still here. Hows it going?



posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 07:16 PM
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All is well my friend. This thread sucked me in like a good book and my $14 copy of The Vertical Plane just came in today. I'm really excited to start reading it. I obviously have not read the book yet so please correct me if i get something wrong.

Im a big MU fan and was recently catching up on older episodes and heard TVP show. The story really grabbed me and i ended here where i spent 4 days catching up. Sorry my questions and thoughts are so shortly written. Im alittle pressed for time right now.

Being 30 plus years removed from the events i wonder how Gary Rowe feels about it all now. How it happened, why it happened. Things of that nature. Also, does he feel the book Thomas supposedly wrote is real and if so does he think it will be found in his lifetime? Having talked to him do you have any insight into this?

What happened with the library you contacted? At one point i wondered if 2109 might be a reference to a catalogue number or something similar. Without going into the story of why ive also wondered if John Dee may have had possession of Thomas' book at some point. He had a very large library and ive been doing some research into it.

Something I find important to note is that it all started with the remodling of the cottage. Im sure you know thats a pretty common thing with paranormal activity. I dont know what the connection is to the story but i do feel its important.

Theres a hundred more things i wanted to say, none of which i can remember right now so i think thats it for the time being. Great thread and great story. How come everyone just dropped off?

PS. Please excuse my fat fingers on a little phone








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posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 05:57 AM
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Ive had a bunch of research tabs open on my phone. This morning i searched for thomas fowleshurst on i think the oxford library site and got this. Unfortunately we need to have an account to look at it. Ill try and see if there is a way around this. I was surprised to find this so im posting without before going as far as i can with it.

solo.bodleian.ox.ac.uk...,contains,Thomas%20fowleshurst&tab=local&search_scope=LSCOP_ALL&vid=SOLO&offset=0



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 06:07 AM
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My first thought is what can his relatives tell us about him. Maybe one of them has his diary if he had one or know of a family story about the leems box. Where is gary in all this? Hes in a position to do things we cant being in england(if thats where he is) like go to these librarys or meet with potential leads. IDK. Just my thoughts. I cant figure how to out a pic in? Wanted to show the screen shot of the search results. Maybe its just my phone
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posted on Nov, 14 2019 @ 02:32 PM
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Good evening good people. I too joined this site purely because this book has fired me up to such a degree and it's comforting to know that other people feel likewise about it. I had never heard of it until it was mentioned in a random text a year or so ago, from a friend I haven't seen for 30 years. Since all things paranormal are my greatest interest I bought a copy of the book last year and just could not put it down. I've recently found a blog on another site (Google Ghost in the Machine- Mercurius Politicus) that's been going on and on for years now. I love the fact that new people keep discovering this book and get sucked in by it, just like us. Anyhow, this blog I just mentioned has some pretty interesting contributors, including Gary Rowe who researched the events described in TVP. Suffice to say, I need to finish reading that whole blog, read all of the thread on this site, then read the book again (paying particular attention to chapter 7, as per Mr Rowe's advice), then get back on here and pick everyone's brains about it. So, the thread of TVP is far from dead!!! Can I just ask, are most of you lovely people not in the UK?




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