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originally posted by: dalero
a reply to: sputniksteve
I first heard about this story when Carol Vorderman introduced it as one of a series of mysteries she was producing for the BBC. It has fascinated me ever since. But it is quite capable of a rational explanation that vindicates those involved from any deception.
Lukas claims he is living in the reign of Henry VIII, and that Ken Webster and Debbie are living in his cottage, it being then 1987. This can be explained by Lukas having died in the first half of the sixteenth-century, and having had an O.B.E. without realizing that this was a precursor to his death. In short, he died without realizing it, because his conscious mind survived his bodily death.
For instance, Lukas admits to knowing nothing of the monarchs that reigned after Henry VIII. Therefore, Lukas’s memory ceased at the time of his death. Why should it not cease, since he no longer had a body, and therefore no further part to play in the world? Lukas’s conscious mind had entered the timelessness of eternity. He had not earned heaven, but had avoided hell. Instead, he existed in death’s timeless realm. In this state, he was limited to past memories, and could only wander around his house, as he remembered it. But, with no new memories to add to those he died with, he existed in this situation for more than four centuries, believing all this time that he was still as much alive as he had been at the time before his death.
Then, along came nineteen-year-old Debbie, (young women seem to feature as the source of energy that allows poltergeist activity to commence). Suddenly, Lukas became aware of ghost-like figures inside his home, in the form of Ken, Debbie and their friends. Did he see them through the eyes of Debbie, or was it some form of telepathy? It is impossible to say. At the same time, he experienced the ability and the energy to interfere in their lives with poltergeist activity. This ability broadened when he discovered that by concentrating upon each letter on the computer keyboard, it appeared lit up on the screen above. Since Lukas was educated at Oxford University, he had no problem in spelling and writing in Tudor English. This ability was later checked against the Oxford English Dictionary by an expert at Ken’s school, and found to be an accurate use of words from that period of history. And so began the strange communication between the twentieth-century cottage dwellers and Lukas, who continued to believe he was living in the reign of Henry VIII, and that Ken and company were ‘demons’ from the future.
Basically, this lays the foundation for what happened. If it is true, and I have reason to believe it is true, since I once had an O.B.E. myself, but fortunately it was not terminal, then the moral of the story is: do not end your life as Lukas did.
originally posted by: shambles84
Ok hate using the Ats cliche phrase "Ocam Razor" but was doing some thinking last night and well here goes :
Not done my research on this and I don't know if this could even be done in 1984/6
Is it possible this was maybe some government experiment , using radio waves or similar like microwave technology to send messages to the BBC computer.
Israel has technology like this they use it to sython data from other countries , I'm just wondering if the BBC computer was ever analysed to see if there had been a receiver placed in the computer.
I'm not very techie so maybe someone with more knowledge could look into it.
But I'm guessing it probably was possible to send and receive messages to this device using some form of coding where they squash the ones and zeros into radio wave? I think it is and send it to the targeted computer.
originally posted by: sputniksteve
a reply to: studio500
Great posts this morning. Glad to hear you are recovering well, I didn't think you just lost interest so figured you must be in trouble. Its quite a relief to hear you are OK.
On an unrelated note I had such a strange dream last night. My family was living in Thailand and my son was having seizures in his sleep. For some reason we had taken him outside to cool down and another family brought out a little girl for the same reason as she too was having seizures. I was worried sick about what to do. After getting up this morning and going about normal business I was in the bathroom while he was peeing and suddenly remembered my dream. For a couple seconds I couldn't rmemeber if he had a seizure before or not. I just needed to put this down so I can stop thinking about it.
Big plans today with Soccer games and play but hope some others will check in. May be about time to get the band back together.
Studio have you seen any posts from the ATS user Whatsthisthen ? Not directly related to TVP but kind of parallels and may be offering some serious insight. I am interested in what you think, as it is far beyond my knowledge.
There is another case from UK I learned about a couple weeks ago I wanted to see if you were familiar with so will go back and find the links as I can't remember the names for reference at the moment. Will hopefully update this evening.
Maggie and Jules Harsch-Fischbach spoke to me for the first time when we met on 19 August 1987 in South Wales where they were on holiday.
They knew very little of the events at the cottage apart from what was included in the Chester Observer article (24 December 1985), but to my surprise they offered further information relevant to our experience. At least three sections of a recent exchange (15 August) between Jules and Maggie and a contact they call The Technician are worth quoting:
(The Fishbach messages)
Q: Could we explain the communication between Ken Webster and Tomas Harden as an overlap of time between separate dimensions because Tomas Harden is in the 16th century and Ken Webster is here today?
A: Yes exactly. This is an overlap of time of both dimensions
Q: Could you explain it also as an insight into the Akashic record in which all that has been and all is to come are found?
A: You could call it something like that yes.
There should appear in this region other documents from that time to show the people, these unexplained experiences with this ‘light box’ have happened and what could be seen on the screen. Q: Will Ken Webster find these documents? A: Other people will find these documents …
HE WROTE IT IN LATIN WITH THE HELP OF A FREIND THAT HE MET IN OXFORD, THE INSCRIPTION READS “ME WRYTS THIS IN THE HOPE THAT MYNE FELAWS WILL ONE DAY FIND THIS BOKE, THEN MAY OWER LANDS BE NOT SOE DISTANT”.
originally posted by: Bekkalek
I joined ATS after reading this entire thread. My attention was drawn to TVP by the MU podcast, which I just so happened to listen to at work one day and it really peaked my interest. I HAD to know more. Looked for the book online with little luck, until I was telling my dad and sister about this book, and happened across a completely different forum that linked to amazon where I was able to purchase a copy for about $25 (it has yet to arrive though, so this forum has been inexplicably helpful!) It was after telling them about the book on Wednesday I found this forum, and have been reading it every spare second I can find.
I have things I wish to say to everyone who has contributed this much this far, but I honestly need to go back and revisit all the links and check out the recommended reading. But I do believe this is all connected and related.
Is anybody in this thread familiar with Cicada 3301? I heard of it a couple weeks before I heard of TVP and just had a thought this evening while making dinner that perhaps Cicada 3301 is orchestrated by 2109 or somebody of a similar means. I haven’t put nearly as much research into that line as I probably should have before suggesting it, but with the numbers meaning so much and the clues referencing arts from all sorts of places and times...it would just make sense to me if this all fit together.