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The Vertical Plane by Ken Webster - Is this proof of Time manipulation and travel or just a story?

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posted on Sep, 26 2017 @ 11:47 PM
Loving the thread........ This is ATS..

I wonder if 2019 is CERN a couple years from now?

That's all I got.....

Back to lurking I go

What the heck I read up to page 7 before I realized it is 2109 rather then 2019....

edit on 27-9-2017 by GoShredAK because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 06:48 AM
a reply to: GoShredAK

Glad you are enjoying it Shred. It's my current opinion that 2109 doesn't denote a year or place in time at all, but rather it has another significance. I think it is the same as calling them self 3, but in a coded way. This would make sense considering we also have an actor calling them self "One"

Ok I will go ahead and buy the book. I do have prime but it seems to complicated to link our accounts and what not.

posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 08:58 AM
a reply to: sputniksteve

I don't know how complicated it is to do that, I've never actually done it. My wife tried to lend me a book one time and I was never able to see it. So maybe it's not as straightforward as it seems it should be.

posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 06:14 PM

originally posted by: wtbengineer
a reply to: sputniksteve

I don't know how complicated it is to do that, I've never actually done it. My wife tried to lend me a book one time and I was never able to see it. So maybe it's not as straightforward as it seems it should be.

I have done it with my aunt and father before, and pretty sure it requires us to link our accounts. While I have a toooon of great books I don't know that you necessarily want to waste your link to me just for this one book. If you let me know what kind of stuff you like to read for fun I can let you know if you may be interested in what I have to offer. Regardless of whether or not a purchase Chronicles even.

I have tons of really good Sci Fi, Lots of detective novels, many of the Lee Child "Jack Reacher" books, really so many and such a broad range I can't even list them all here. In any case I greatly appreciate the offer but don't mind just buying it myself. I really want to get the other 2 from the suggested reading a couple pages back. An Experiment with time and A sideways look at time, neither of which I was able to find at Half Price Books. I am not even sure if Kindle has them for offer yet.

Off topic, how great is Amazon Unlimited?! I don't currently have a sub for it, only Prime, but if you aren't familiar with Unlimited it is worth far more than the cost to subscribe to it. I have discovered so many great authors and books that I normally wouldn't have bothered to read. Reading is hands down my favorite and cherished past time. I don't know what I would do with my life if I couldn't read. Where the Red Fern grows is what started my obsession at 14 years old. My 3 month old nephew had just passed away from S.I.D.S. and I was lost and hurting bad, when someone gave me that book. I had never bothered to read for pleasure before that book but it changed my life. I have read it a million times since, and while I can barely make it through the first chapter without breaking down in tears it will forever be one of if not my favorites.

posted on Sep, 27 2017 @ 07:37 PM
a reply to: sputniksteve

Sounds like you do have a lot of books. I have more books to read than time to read them myself. I've always loved to read too, but since I went back to college to get my engineering degree 10 years ago all that forced reading made me kind of loath it. I still like to read stuff that catches my interest, but sometimes it's really hard to focus. Work has only made it worse. I have to read rule books all the time and Orders and other publications that we put out. It's really boring stuff written mostly by lawyers and it makes me hate reading sometimes. At least I feel like I need a break.

For me it was a paperback book I got in elementary school at a book fair or something called Runaway Robot. I think it was written in the '60s. That was the first thing I ever read that just sucked me in and caused me to really experience what was written on the pages. My wife found that book for me and bought it after I told her about it. Sweet thing to do I thought, though I'll never read that book again.

posted on Sep, 28 2017 @ 07:53 AM
Good morning y'all. I woke up from a repeating dream Indisnt understand this morning with a thought. I think we can all agree and basically understand that that there is a lot of data and information whether it be sensory or not, that we are processing and collecting that we aren't aware of.

What if dreams are a way of parsing or presenting this irreconcilable information to ourselves? I don't just mean our subconscious talking to our conscious, but the brain itself trying to make sense of stuff it doesn't know how to process. Presenting that information in metaphor or analogy.

Wow, I never considered the actual meaning of the phrase "make sense". I always assumed it meant make "rational" but it seems more likely it means to turn information into something that our senses can use.

posted on Sep, 28 2017 @ 09:50 AM
a reply to: sputniksteve

I would very mucH like to know Gary Rowe's opinion on ufos?
Come on, I don't think he wood mind. ask him about the MIBs he encountered, when they were trying to take the metal off him, from that (crash).
i am only so curious because the 21o9 groupe seemed almost impressed of him didnt they?

posted on Sep, 28 2017 @ 07:08 PM
a reply to: LukasWainman

I'm not in a position to speculate what he thinks, neither would I even consider breaking his confidents if I was in a position. He has been a UFOLOGISTS since the 70's at least by his own account so we can all assume he has an interest at least.

I am not at all familiar with a crash he was involved in, metal, or an encounter with MIBs, sorry Lukas.

I am not entirely sure they were impressed, but they certainly did show interest and seem to depend on him to some degree from what we gather from the book. I do have much further insight but I am not at liberty. I take pretty serious the agreement Inhave made with the people I discuss things with in private, if for no other reason than to continue to learn more from them.

posted on Oct, 1 2017 @ 02:01 PM
There are days when my desire to know the answers to all of these questions is overwhelming. Today is one of those days.

posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 06:45 AM
a reply to: sputniksteve

Hey Steve, been meaning to get back here to discuss. I am just not going to be able to get through that book. I give up. I've moved on to another one that holds more interest for me. For me, that book is fiction. If you or anyone else finds meaning in it then I am happy for you but I just can't get past the hangups I already talked about.

What I really want is to read is The Vertical Plane but I guess that'll never happen. If I could just find an e-copy somewhere I'd like to discuss that with you - although I guess you've moved past that one now haven't you? I don't know, I just have my own ideas about these kinds of things that I'd like to be able to contemplate side by side with his story and kind of mentally compare notes with it.

Hope you have a great day!

posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 05:09 PM
a reply to: wtbengineer

Who knows man, I wouldn't ever say never though. I haven't moved past it necessarily, I just don't believe I can gain anything from it at this very moment. It seems much of it is metaphor as far as the knowledge to be gained. Beyond that I don't believe there is any certain key waiting to be unlocked or found from its text, but I could certainly be wrong.

I loaned my copy to a family member but once it is returned to me I would be willing to send it to you if you would assure me of its return. We can talk privately about it once I get it back in my possession. I'm not sure it will be as satisfying as you suspect though, but I totally get your desire to read it anyway.

posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 06:35 PM
I have been fascinated with Cortez and Montezuma for a couple years now. I haven't ever really looked too deeply into what Montezuma was doing in Mexico until very recently, but the discovery that he was supposedly communicating with a demonic humming bird while using copious amounts of psychedelic mushrooms originally really piqued my interest in the topic. The human sacrifice on an industrial scale was disturbing but fascinating to me when taken into account of a psychedelic trip. I will spare you all the boring and unnecessary details of some of my own experiences with substances and why I gave it any thought at all, but something had been nagging me that what Montezuma was doing had a more profound effect than just getting high and killing people.

Even if we ignore the psychedelic aspect of the human sacrifice, it's mind boggling to imagine the raw psychic and emotional torment and torture that individuals were put under during these blood lettings. I have read descriptions of sacrificial temples with lines of people in all 4 directions extending for miles, all in a procession to have a priest cut their heart out while alive. I don't know if those types of events can happen in a vacuum or not, but my guess is NO.

I don't bring any of this up in order to depress anyone or try and connect it to TVP or the events that have proceeded but I find it very interesting that Cortez went to war with Montezuma in Thomas's lifetime, 1519. I personally have a hard time picturing Thomas's world, but this helps me put it in perspective a little bit.

Hope everyone had a good weekend, and has a better upcoming week. If you are looking for something new to listen to, Graham Hankocks appearances on Joe Rogan Experience podcast are pretty fun to listen to, his earliest ones especially. Even if you aren't into alternative history or psychedelic drugs at all the conversations are really entertaining and can be quite enlightening.

For the record I haven't used any psychedelic drugs in quite a long time, and don't suggest that anyone does irresponsibly. I don't want anyone (lets be real no one is really reading anymore) to think I am being coy and suggesting they do.

posted on Oct, 8 2017 @ 10:42 PM
a reply to: sputniksteve

I guess I would expect the reading of The Vertical Plane to be somewhat of a letdown for me if it were to actually happen. At any rate I don't want you to lend it to me, I will wait and see if it becomes available again. The post you made below the one I am replying to right now has really piqued my interest, especially the part about psychedelic mushrooms and Montezuma. I never really delved into that history enough to know about that connection but I might have to now.

I'm still reading anything and everything that's posted in this thread, you can count on that. Sorry I haven't posted much myself, I've been soaking it all in and letting it ferment. I'm going to send you a PM though, some things I'd like to discuss with you in private.

I like Joe Rogan, thanks for the suggestion about the Graham Hancock interviews I'll have to go back and listen to some of them.

posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 05:31 PM
If we know that time exists like a Vertical Plane, or rather all moments stacked on top of each other; might they still be differentiated by a "then, now, and when"?

Obviously this is true for consciousness because that is precisely how we view time. Is it possible this happens on a more fundamental and objective level as well?

I don't know precisely what I am trying to say or suggest, I feel like it's on the tip of my tongue.

posted on Oct, 21 2017 @ 08:43 PM
Part way through reading this thread, so don't know if anyone before has suggested this.

It sounds like someone from somewhere stumbled upon a machine that can communicate between worlds. They may not be knowledgeable on how the machine works. For instance 2109 might be a dial setting.

There was work done in England in the 1950's on a camera that could photograph some wierd things.

Ruth Drown and George Delaware are two names that explored this.

Here is a starter link:. Radionics

I used to own Delaware originals, and build some of these "black boxes" for myself. They are tricky to use yet easy to build.

Radionics is probably still being researched and used in private engineering hands. It's that sorta thing.

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