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The Vertical Plane by Ken Webster - Is this proof of Time manipulation and travel or just a story?

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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: Bmused7

That is so funny you mention it like that. If I didn't know any better I would think you are teasing or playing with me


I hope you are trying my meditation directions. I truly think you will get some results, and I am not just trying to make you feel good.

Do you understand what I am trying to say? I think there is a reason they are like lightening strikes, because they are resonating with something you don't even know exists inside of you. I want nothing more than to show you this magic, and I am trying my hardest.

I was quite slow to pick up on all of the subtle and even not so subtle directions as well. Like everything in life, the result is so much more rewarding when we come to the conclusions or reach the goal on our own.

Seriously though, are you playing with me? I know you wouldn't tell me if you were anyway. I like to play too so take every opportunity I can to do just that.




posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 10:02 PM
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Lol, no I am not playing with you. As I checked in to see your latest post, there happened to be a spectacular lightening show on the western horizon. It seemed to fit the mood I was in.....much of the time you are alluding to something without ever saying it, so I fill in the blanks on my own....electrifyingly so. This IS a highly charged subject....okay, now I was playing a reply to: sputniksteve



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:32 PM
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a reply to: Bmused7

Haha! In all seriousness, you ignore that particular sign at your own peril. I highly suggest you heed it though, as who ever directed that glorious display is probably not something to trifle with. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. For Zeus sake we should all be so lucky to have one that is so blatant!

Careful next time you aren't just hit directly on the head for your lack of attention! This is precisely the magic I am trying to tell you about, and you are getting to experience it first hand! No one ever said you would be cutting assistants in half or pulling rabbits out of a hat!

I am not joking at all dude, even if you feel silly doing it, acknowledge the event. You don't actually have to do anything else. Just go to a quite place by yourself and acknowledge it out loud. Then just relax and keep your eyes open for the next one.

Unless you don't actually want to participate, in that case I would still acknowledge it but just say no thank you this is not for me.

In case you think I am pulling your leg, lightening struck the tree in my front yard, 20 feet from where I sleep a little over a week ago. Brought the entire tree down and we had to have the stump removed and everything.


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posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: CromCruachh
a reply to: dingdongdoodah

What a coincidence, I was reading Brave New World before this thread popped up, and can't finish it now lol.
If your in England, there are loads of libraries with The Vertical Plane, you can do a search online and it will tell you which ones. In the country i'm in, Australia, has not one single library in the ENTIRE COUNTRY with a copy!


guess what it doesn't exist in any library's in my area neither



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 09:10 AM
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I'm late to re read all the new bits and bats been locked out of my ATS but I'm back in action, still not found this book I'm at a point where I'm debating paying £250 for it lol!



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: dingdongdoodah

Sorry to hear that. The good news is that it isn't nearly as necessary as we thought. The book itself is entertaining as all get out, and fantastic for bringing together people of a like mind that have the same "feeling" but no inherent or profound knowledge can be gained that can't be gained from my Database.

I suspect still that it happened precisely like it claims although I am not so sure of that even anymore, but that isn't the important part. Of all the crazy things I have said in this thread, this may be the craziest. I am not entirely sure that Ken Webster and Deb actually exist. They don't have much of if barely any footprint online at all, which in itself isn't impossible considering their age. I certainly haven't spoken to them, nor got any replies to any of my requests. I haven't even heard back from the publisher yet. I reproduced almost half of his book and posted it online for everyone in the world to view, and not a single word has been said to me by anyone. It would be impossible for them to not be aware at this point.

This is pure speculation by me, and I have no inside knowledge to go on (I take that back I do actually) but I have been trying to convey that this is so much weirder than any of us thought, it puts everything that we assumed to be factual in question.

Even having said that, the book is real in the sense that it matters. Very real.

If you decide to pay the $250 for it, do it only as an investment and make certain you can actually get it in your hands first. It will be worth quite a bit more than that eventually. I liken it to holding a lottery ticket to be honest. Don't pay that just for the entertainment value or because you think it will answer all of your questions, it will not.
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posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 09:47 AM
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I think your theory may be true , I have done a lot of research and couldn't bring up much in the ways of them two . maybe they are sat with Lukas if they was able to communicate and pass objects through what we call time which is just energy they could well be anywhere on this time line or another as they could of created a new timeline while communications was happening . (multiverse theory) but if they did figure it out I wouldn't be in this era neither would choose the 80's maybe . maybe they had to leave so they didn't create a butterfly effect in Lukas' timeline but he would have to cease to exist too but then the book wouldn't be here .... I am scrambling my brain just pondering its great to be back anyhoo! and have you addd much to the data base I was up to date last time I looked



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: dingdongdoodah

I love how you are using your mind and the what for. However I think you will continue to confuse yourself and misunderstand if you keep thinking about time lines and time travel. That isn't at all what happened as far as I can tell. There may well have been messages on a computer, and Deb may well have gone places in her sleep (if she is real), and objects may well have disappeared and reappeared, but I don't believe there were any other time lines or travel taking place.

I don't want to intimate that I understand or know all of the fine details, because I most certainly do not. I am not sure anyone actually does to be honest.

However I do believe I have a pretty good working outline of the story as a whole. That is always subject to change with the addition of new or more information but that is always a good thing, and I don't believe it will get too far off this mark in any case.

This story is about the mind, and the power the mind has. Or the potential for the power of the mind. (I am going to make things up now for the sake of explanation, this isn't subtle hint dropping).

Imagine if an individual through practice of mindful and meditative states was able to travel outside of the "universe" and extension "reality" into the Energy at rest state, otherwise known as Infinite, otherwise known as the Collective Conscious or "God Conscious". We already know it is possible to tap into this, I do it multiple times a day. But I am talking about more than tapping into it, imagine if someone could exist there willfully. They would be existing outside of all time and space, very similar to how 2109 explains the Tachyon Universe. Imagine if they would be capable of using their conscious mind while there, in effect "thinking" while existing in the Infinite.

Now imagine they deigned to make a big deal about this experience. They are proud of what they have achieved, and wish to remind themselves when they return to their Conscious body and existence for the purpose of explaining it to others. What if they did all of this with the intention of proving that something exists outside of what we call Life and Reality, or prove that there is more to it than Athiests or even Thiests think exist. They understand fully though that it is a very daunting challenge, but they are capable of thought on a level we can't possibly comprehend sitting here at our computers. Being that they are outside of space and time, they can think about this problem for an entire eternity if they like. They can consult the entire known universe and everything and everyone that ever has or ever will exist in it if they wish. They can run every scenario and build every world they desire to test out different theories and hypothesis in order to choose one that will allow them to pass this information on to themselves in a way they might understand.

The problem is that when they return to their conscious waking existence they will remember none of this experience, at all. They may have a nagging feeling that something happened every once in a while but they won't have any idea what that is. They would already have known this when they were in the "other" state and would have planned for that contingency. They would have devised a way that they could remind themselves through subtle clues and symbols that may start to unlock memories and feelings. They may then start paying attention to other things around them and reading different books and stories relating to the thing they feel they are searching for.

And then maybe they read a particular book that starts screaming these things at them instead of just whispering. They start getting overwhelmed with these events and these screams so they decide to pay even more attention. Then all of a sudden something inside of them clicks and they start to remember things they couldn't possibly remember, because they couldn't possibly happen. But they did.

That would be a pretty cool book, wouldn't it?

SputnikSteve

No you do not have permission to use this idea for your story or screen play or movie. I know you like it. Yes I will sue the pants off of you. This is a general disclaimer, certainly not directed at my friend Dingdong or anyone specifically in this thread.
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posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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I truly hope all of this starts to sink in, and the implications are realized instead of ignored. It is kind of a big deal.

"The eyes are open yet nothing do you see. The grey retarding mass is your convict. Quietly, alone he sits in the dark waiting for sentence to be passed and demanding through the eyes of the blind of unspoken questions to answers of ethereal kind. The soul he is the traveller. Chain nor bar can hold him to frail flesh. Here is the ruler of time and space. Here is your God" -Someone, who knows




"True are the nightmares of those that fear. What you fear wil be your reality if you let it, believe in yourselves. Safe are the bodies of the silent world. As long as your kind cannot penetrate our world we are safe. Turn pretty flower turn towards the sun, for you shall grow and sow but the flower reaches too high and withers in the burning light. Knowledge will be your progress but your kind are coming close to getting their fingers burnt...indirectly, you may prevent this! Get out your bricks. Get ready to build (write the book!). Pussy cat, Pussy cat went to London to Seek fame and fortune. The cat went to visit the queen, but instead frightened a little mouse under the chair, ultimately, London will be a significant place, stick to your main aims, it doesn’t matter how hard they seem to get, do not be distracted by that tiny mouse that has a deceiving charm. Faith must not be lost….! You all rely on each others faith. There is another person to come, they will be the help we need. You will know them when they come. Thomas did eventually write his book and soon died, shortley after, he placed it in a secure place, it shouldn’t take too many years to find it, though he wrote it in Latin with the help of a friend that he met in Oxford, the inscription reads “me wryts this in the hope that myne felaws will one day find this boke, then may ower lands be not soe distant”. We will finnish now you have alot of work to do!!"- Someone, who knows

I understand it is a lot to take in, don't be in any hurry. I hope you all have your best day ever.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 11:09 AM
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We can penetrate their world, and they aren't safe. In fact someone has been doing it, and taking from it without knowing what they were doing. They are very lucky that they weren't punished to the degree they could have been. They are also quite sorry about it, and will do their best to make up for it.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 11:55 AM
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omg you just surmised a theory I have been bashing about we are our universe we create our being as time and matter are things made by someone whom said think this way. I am able to meditate and take my brain to all sorts of crazy . I figured along time ago how to project through meditation I may want to add I learnt how to meditate through doing dmt many a year ago and me and my friend shared a trip we watched each other slowly sink through the floor till neither one was visible we was in the room but not in the room.

debs dreams she visited lukas was she experiencing how the trycyons experience ''being'' I use this as a generalised term .as my explanation of how this could occur ? build up of high volumes of energy causing the time slip we will call it that for now. where time and the laws of physics need not apply .

we are all capable of doing this I think its a matter of freeing up your mind.

when we dream we are using energy to dream ,our thoughts are going somewhere we are projecting . one does not simply switch off. the brain is still doing lots just running on a different frequency to been conscious.

I don't know why but I see a great explanation butt I feel this theory is similar to the ones who exist in and out are similar to the observers in fringe. if you have ever seen that.

also great summary I could not of worded any better myself



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: dingdongdoodah

Of course you understand, that's why you came here to begin with. That's exactly how we all ended up here. And the why.

Did you listen to my play list yet? Like really listen? Not with your ears.

I'm glad you are comfortable enough to start sharing. If I would have known the game and how to play it 17 pages ago we could have saved a lot of time, but I didn't know then what I know now. I only suspected.

Now if we can get the rest of the freak flags flying we can see who all has a seat at this particular table for the appetizer before we all sit at the adult table together.

This isn't a one man show. It's not a duet either. This is a band, and it's time to get back together. We have been hired to play a party.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 12:11 PM
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just a quick add sorry I'm on one! it would make sense why the CIA was using hemi sync experiments , it was mentioned somewhere earlier on in this post . they want to know how to access the other planes. I have often thought about our universe as is in the Stephen king novel the dead zone . the creepy behind the scenes , the freaky ants maybe not so much but still.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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and play list ? do share I think I missed that bit I have used hemi sync music in the past and I always fall asleep strangely enough (normally I do not sleep while meditating) I can never remember and I always remember also I was going to try again at some point as its real riveting stuff . I did however after trying the day after realise when I was asleep and had full control of my dream without meditating . great fun!



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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we have a shared conscious we all are one its by ways and means of understanding how to tune into said show, we are at a point where as a unity we are ready to be woken up I would say . and people don't like to be told when something has been staring them right in the face the whole time . which is where I reckon the naysayers will stop a lot of people waking up don't listen to them they are crazy etc , what I want to know is why we are kept in the dark?

if we all knew how I cant understand directly how we would damage their world/plane at this point not sure what to call it they do say about the damage we could do somewhere in the book 2109 says it.

what I want to know what threat they pose to us.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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www.youtube.com...

I listen to it constantly for the last 6 months to a year basically. One song in particular, 001.

I suggest you add it into a meditation routine, I think it will have the best chance of having the intended effect. I am not talking about any brain tricks or binural beats. This is just music, but with a soul. You will see, even if it isn't right away. It may take a bit to really sink in.

Just be careful, depending on what you are doing and your state it can drain your energy, very fast. It can also super charge you, which can be just as iffy.

To your last post, I know it is going to be hard, but Breath and relax. It is all good love. I promise you. If you need to talk on the phone I can do that for you, I know that was a tremendous help to me. We are all due a freak out when it hits, like really hits. You get some time to pull your metaphorical sh1t together but you gotta start cleaning house and getting righteous because you are going to be called up to perform.



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posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 12:53 PM
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ooh I pulled said metaphorical # together a while ago, I was wild in my teens and I am a very well centred adult I learnt the calm is much nicer . and I do get excited when I post as its great that someone is on the same page as me. not many people understand when I explain certain experiences to them as most 28 year olds don't think like me.


I have been told many a time I am wise beyond my years. I will slow down a wee dram tho hehe



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: dingdongdoodah

Don't let me stem your excitement, by any means. This is exciting stuff! I was just trying to reassure you in case you were like me and hyperventilating and crying. That may come still who knows, maybe females really are stronger. I most certainly didn't have mine together even though I thought I did, and I project a lot so I apologize.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 01:28 PM
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I'm just excited I feel like ive been waiting my whole life for this!



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: dingdongdoodah

Haha, you have love! We all have! Probably even longer than that. The hard work is done, now we get to enjoy it I hope. Fingers and toes crossed.



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