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Proof of Trump Putin collusion? Trump tries his best to block Congress sanction bill.

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posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 06:57 AM
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Senate voted 97 to 2 to pass bill codifying Russia sanctions into law. Only Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders opposed it. If it becomes law, sanctions on Russia will be permanent, since president's executive orders are weaker than laws.

Maybe, in the 2016 election, Trump and Putin made a deal. Putin give Trump the dirt on Democrats, and in exchange Trump lift sanctions on Russia.

What do you think?


The White House is scrambling to kill a bill it thinks would limit its ability to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin due to new congressional sanctions. Axios reported Sunday the White House doesn't want to have its hand tied in negotiations with Putin by the bill, which was passed 97-2 by the Senate. According to the report, White House officials are making the case behind closed doors that more waivers need to be written into the bill. Marc Short, White House legislative liaison, said the bill, as written, is too flawed. "We support the sanctions on Iran and Russia; however, this bill is so poorly written that neither Republican nor Democratic administrations would be comfortable with the current draft because it greatly hampers the executive branch's diplomatic efforts," Short told Axios. Ethanol credits drive up the cost of doing business Watch Full Screen However, the report states the bill could represent a major political defeat for Trump. If the House passes the bill, it would place Trump in the position of considering a veto of new sanctions on Russia as his first veto in office.


www.washingtonexaminer.com...



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posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 07:10 AM
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Trump is the most inconsistent politician I've ever seen.

Except when it comes to Russia.
There he is as consistent as a nun in vespers.
Don't hurt them don't anger Putin. Don't say bad stuff. Praise Putin every chance he gets.
While he slanders his own security people and his own intelligence people and the American free press.

It's really quite amazing.

I'm sure Robert Mueller is just soaking this all in .



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 07:42 AM
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I think after all this time, the Russian people deserve diplomacy, not sanctions. And I believe they have the right to choose any leader the feel is fit, which they did, as did the Crimea, before you go there.


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posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 07:47 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

i think the whole Trump Russia collusion is now well known that it is Bull. CNN even admitted to it being a false story, how much more does it take to understand its a targeted attack on trump with bull sizzle stories with a view to impeach him.

no collusion here, but cant wait for the next bull story to discredit him from the media.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye


Maybe, in the 2016 election, Trump and Putin made a deal. Putin give Trump the dirt on Democrats, and in exchange Trump lift sanctions on Russia.


What 'dirt' did Vlad give Trump? - it's important as it binds the rest of your theory together and given what the left has to has about Trumps egotistical personality, why has no such dodgy-DNC-dirt been tweeted for public consumption?

IMO - The US needs a strong relationship with Russia right now - The US Ambassador to the UN said it best - "we don't trust Russia, we never will" - this is a good approach when forming the relationship with Russia - to let them know you're onto them but the world will be safer if they work together to fight an even greater enemy - Radical Islamic Terrorism.

Both countries' citizens (in fact the vast majority of the planet) agree that this filth needs to be wiped off the face of the earth and relegated to the history books of what used-to-be....just like the cold war should have been by now - it just keeps getting resurrected by the left.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 08:03 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
Senate voted 97 to 2 to pass bill codifying Russia sanctions into law. Only Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders opposed it. If it becomes law, sanctions on Russia will be permanent, since president's executive orders are weaker than laws.

Maybe, in the 2016 election, Trump and Putin made a deal. Putin give Trump the dirt on Democrats, and in exchange Trump lift sanctions on Russia.

What do you think?


The White House is scrambling to kill a bill it thinks would limit its ability to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin due to new congressional sanctions. Axios reported Sunday the White House doesn't want to have its hand tied in negotiations with Putin by the bill, which was passed 97-2 by the Senate. According to the report, White House officials are making the case behind closed doors that more waivers need to be written into the bill. Marc Short, White House legislative liaison, said the bill, as written, is too flawed. "We support the sanctions on Iran and Russia; however, this bill is so poorly written that neither Republican nor Democratic administrations would be comfortable with the current draft because it greatly hampers the executive branch's diplomatic efforts," Short told Axios. Ethanol credits drive up the cost of doing business Watch Full Screen However, the report states the bill could represent a major political defeat for Trump. If the House passes the bill, it would place Trump in the position of considering a veto of new sanctions on Russia as his first veto in office.


www.washingtonexaminer.com...


Why are we putting sanctions on Russia? Can someone please tell me why we're poking the bear instead of working the the bear.

What infk could Russia have on Clinton and if they did why didn't they release it through wikileaks since Russia own them.... Right?

And why wouldn't anyone not wanna know the dirt behind Clinton?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

I wonder what happens if the White House can't stop these sanctions becoming permanent? Does Putin turn on him if they are indeed colluding? Putin wouldn't be that stupid....



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
Trump is the most inconsistent politician I've ever seen........
While he slanders his own security people and his own intelligence people and the American free press.


Speaking of incoherently inconsistent and mad as a cut snake - Here's Mad Max - clean up your own back yard before criticizing the state of your neighbours..



I bet you cannot give one logical reason why the US should continue its imposition on Russia.

Both have hinted at corroboration to defeat ISIS - a greater threat to both countries than the countries are to each other.

Why shouldn't they work together?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

Would it have been cool if Russia had helped Hillary get elected then too?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft



The US Ambassador to the UN said it best - "we don't trust Russia, we never will" - this is a good approach when forming the relationship with Russia - to let them know you're onto them but the world will be safer if they work together to fight an even greater enemy - Radical Islamic Terrorism.


Why would you try to work with someone you don't trust? And this is if you believe ISIS is a legitimate (non-globalist) funded terror organization. I don't believe it is, I believe it's a "globalist" cause hiding under the guise of a certain religion.

Trump: "I'm a nationalist and a globalist"

Trump supporters claim to be against globalism and globalists yet they are supporting one as we speak, he's admitted it himself.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye


So based on your logic, the Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul are also colluding with the Russians?

Sorry, but when proof is presented, then Congress should act. Until such a time-please hold your breath- I garnered far more hope with Trump and Putin actually communicating rather than some vested interests stirring the pot between the two nations.

TPTB would have a much more difficult time bending both nations to their agenda if both were aligned instead of the unending enemy meme.

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posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 08:34 AM
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originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Would it have been cool if Russia had helped Hillary get elected then too?


Based on that bolded little golden nugget there, enlighten me as to how, exactly, Vlad caused Trump to win the election since that word means that is what you are inferring?

You'll need to include 3 key things into your epiphany in order for it to have any degree of validity:

1. The mindset of 65+ million yanks.

2. The EC process.

3. Hillarys 2016 campaign conduct.

Take your time, I'm going to go get popcorn.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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What is the positions Paul and Sanders take on this?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 08:48 AM
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By this logic Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders are colluding with Russia as well? I guess McCain isn't the only one who thinks Russians are putting grenades in his coffee.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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So, how convenient is that? The first bill that would need a veto from Trump would be to benefit Russia. It would be a field day for the MSM.

Trump is also not trying his best to block a bill so that headline is no better than CNN.

BTW- still waiting on my check from mother Russia for my vote...




posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 08:59 AM
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originally posted by: lSkrewloosel
a reply to: allsee4eye

i think the whole Trump Russia collusion is now well known that it is Bull. CNN even admitted to it being a false story, how much more does it take to understand its a targeted attack on trump with bull sizzle stories with a view to impeach him.

no collusion here, but cant wait for the next bull story to discredit him from the media.




When did CNN say it was a false story???? LINK PLEASE.... However FOX and friends retracted the false Comey story....about him leaking Top Secret info. There was no top secret info in the memos to begin with, that was proven 15 hours BEFORE FOX ran the story.....


www.yahoo.com...



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Sublimecraft



The US Ambassador to the UN said it best - "we don't trust Russia, we never will" - this is a good approach when forming the relationship with Russia - to let them know you're onto them but the world will be safer if they work together to fight an even greater enemy - Radical Islamic Terrorism.


Why would you try to work with someone you don't trust? And this is if you believe ISIS is a legitimate (non-globalist) funded terror organization. I don't believe it is, I believe it's a "globalist" cause hiding under the guise of a certain religion.

Trump: "I'm a nationalist and a globalist"

Trump supporters claim to be against globalism and globalists yet they are supporting one as we speak, he's admitted it himself.


Let me attempt to correct your post.

First, it is past the point of ever returning to the days where the U.S. flat out dominated manufacturing that high-water marked at 50% of the world's production with 2% of it's population.

The best case scenario is a leveler playing field in which the U.S. can prosper, not take on the world economically or militarily.

Most of the newly committed monies that Trump has garnered IS from outside the U.S.. Hence, globalist by definition. Profit is the motive for those investors and future profits keeps the U.S. and it's general economy much more in the interest of those globalist investors than under the last few Administrations.

Next, there is a rather large distinction between Corporations and individual investors, yes which are 'global', and globalist organizations. The U.N., WTO, NATO, G-20, attempts at TPP, multiple financial groups including the WMF, the list goes on.

Trump's track record has followed his campaign promises, albeit slower than we'd like, and is strategically sound. TPP is DOA. Trump's sending of his wife in his stead to G-20 meetings was a clear message and achieved it's intended purpose. The G-20 'acknowledged the U.S.'s departure from the Paris Accord, not unlike Kyoto, and took no further action.

NATO has been warned to meet it's commitments, financially, and that option is open to remove ourselves from that obsolete group.

The above groups ARE the issue, not co-operation between nations in a globalist economy. Bi-lateral agreements allow the U.S. to negotiate from a position of strength rather than a group which, collectively, wields move power than the U.S.. The results of that imbalance is plain to see in our current economic straights. All have profited from U.S. loss.

As Trump has barely begun 'draining the swamp', it is not yet the time to fully take on those above mentioned groups.

When our economic situation is stabilized and growing and the Republican elite see that Trump will not be defeated and close ranks, that will put the U.S. in a far stronger position to 'negotiate'. Trump always negotiates from a position of strength. It is a waste of time, otherwise.

I, for one, am completely satisfied with Trump's progress and direction. In fact, he has shown, so far and as best he can, that he meant what he said in his Presidential campaign and has, therefore earned even more support from me than ever.


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posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 09:13 AM
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Another Example of why Mitch needs to go the way of the Dodo, why in the ever loving 9 levels of hades would you codify sanctions into law.

In whos warped twisted little mind (other than some turd looking to force war by cutting down diplomatic options) thinks this is a good idea, the concept is insane.

Every pecker head that voted for this should be on the way to the unemployment office next election, a psychotic chimp hooked on Viagra wielding a chainsaw could probably do a better job.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

The legislative branch can make the laws, and the president must follow the laws.

The president can still veto whatever comes out of Congress too.... of course, and I bet he vetoes if this passes the House of Representatives also.

But ... the executive branch is also in charge of enforcing the laws.

There have been Presidents before that just chose not to 'enforce' certain laws *cough* *cough* *Obama?* ... so Trump maybe will just choose not to enforce these sanction laws. Or, he could negotiate and sign a new treaty that works around them instead, since article 2 of the Constitution gives the primary treaty negotiating power to the president.

This could drag on for a long time.

But with all the other problems facing the US currently, particularly financial insolvency, why is Congress screwing around putting sanctions on another nuclear power anyway? Does Congress really need a scapegoat that badly?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

For what it's worth, I hope the mods give you an applause for that post - outstanding!! I wish there was a way of marking posts for ease of reference - honestly that would be a very good OP for a new thread about the distinction between globalist philosophies and global alliances and why one is necessary for economic stability for countries and the other is economic stability for a very select demographic in society at the expense of everyone else on the planet.

Nationalism vs Globalism.




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