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posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

What if your professional investigators colluded with Russia too? What then?

Because, after all, you will have some excuse ready for when said investigators don't reach conclusions supporting your political narrative.

Might as well be the big bad Russians.





posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Dfairlite

1) I THINK Russian intelligence contacted a trump associate and offered the deal of the century..

They (Russia) gets all the private staff emails of his political opponent and drops it on the eve of the election, too close to even know if they contain anything felonious. In exchange for dropping sanctions and maybe not interfere if with Ukraine..

A deal any cut throat buisness man takes if he thinks he can get away with it.

Then there is all the shady stuff..

Trumps only change to the GOP party platform being not giving Ukraine weapons.. the ONLY change trump made.


Flynn being a foreign agent for turkey, a Russian puppet state..

Flynn telling the Russian ambassador he would lift sanctions.

The CIA, FBI and NSA all saying Russia hacked the dnc and helped trump win both the GOP primary and the presidential election..

Multiple trump people lying about meetings with Russian officials..

Multiple people fired when stories of their connections to Russia surfaced..

Exc.. there are a few more I'm forgetting..




2) because it is a great deal that benefits both parties.

This deal isn't like the Hillary and obama theories that require a mustache twirling villian to be true..

This is a deal half the population takes if offered.. how many Americans care one little bit about Russian sanctions or helping Ukraine??? Not many...

It doesn't take a

"Muslim Plante socialist who purposely wants to destroy america , while running an elite pedo ring and murdering people!!"

Like it would for the Hillary and obama conspiracies..


3) I'm not sure..

I think the change to the GOP platform was a down payment maybe.. and the call from Flynn the the Russian ambassador was telling Putin.."the deal is still on.. even if obama added more sanctions."



That's quite a fairy tale....maybe you should contact The Brothers Grimm and get it published.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: kaylaluv


Because, after all, you will have some excuse ready for when said investigators don't reach conclusions supporting your political narrative.



Wanna bet?



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12





Russia is still communist. Technically an enemy of the USA...Just ask the military.

nationalinterest.org...

www.newsweek.com...

So is Trump a traitor?


If Kennedy didn't go down, then no.

Teddy Kennedy went to Russia to get help against Reagan from them, and nothing was down about it, no collusion charges or anything. Nothing criminal. The man continued to be re-elected and serve as if he were some kind of hero until he died.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Dfairlite

No thanks. I'm going to let the professional investigators do their thing. Whatever conclusion they come to, I will accept. Will you?


Here ya go, several officials (like the director of national intelligence) admitting there's no evidence whatsoever:


Go ahead, stand by your words.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Dfairlite

1) I THINK Russian intelligence contacted a trump associate and offered the deal of the century..

They (Russia) gets all the private staff emails of his political opponent and drops it on the eve of the election, too close to even know if they contain anything felonious. In exchange for dropping sanctions and maybe not interfere if with Ukraine..

A deal any cut throat buisness man takes if he thinks he can get away with it.

Then there is all the shady stuff..

Trumps only change to the GOP party platform being not giving Ukraine weapons.. the ONLY change trump made.


Flynn being a foreign agent for turkey, a Russian puppet state..

Flynn telling the Russian ambassador he would lift sanctions.

The CIA, FBI and NSA all saying Russia hacked the dnc and helped trump win both the GOP primary and the presidential election..

Multiple trump people lying about meetings with Russian officials..

Multiple people fired when stories of their connections to Russia surfaced..

Exc.. there are a few more I'm forgetting..




2) because it is a great deal that benefits both parties.

This deal isn't like the Hillary and obama theories that require a mustache twirling villian to be true..

This is a deal half the population takes if offered.. how many Americans care one little bit about Russian sanctions or helping Ukraine??? Not many...

It doesn't take a

"Muslim Plante socialist who purposely wants to destroy america , while running an elite pedo ring and murdering people!!"

Like it would for the Hillary and obama conspiracies..


3) I'm not sure..

I think the change to the GOP platform was a down payment maybe.. and the call from Flynn the the Russian ambassador was telling Putin.."the deal is still on.. even if obama added more sanctions."



That's quite a fairy tale....maybe you should contact The Brothers Grimm and get it published.



Is that what you consider a counterpoint??



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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a reply to: trollz

"No definitive evidence" doesn't mean "didn't do it.."

Remember OJ??



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: olaru12





Russia is still communist. Technically an enemy of the USA...Just ask the military.

nationalinterest.org...

www.newsweek.com...

So is Trump a traitor?


If Kennedy didn't go down, then no.

Teddy Kennedy went to Russia to get help against Reagan from them, and nothing was down about it, no collusion charges or anything. Nothing criminal. The man continued to be re-elected and serve as if he were some kind of hero until he died.


Teddy Kennedy lol...another corrupt, criminal kingpin of the Democrats.
If you or me pulled a Chappaquiddick, we would still be sitting in jail.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 09:56 PM
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a reply to: trollz

I don't believe the full investigation is over yet.

But if you really want to know my prediction, I think there will be no evidence of criminal behavior, just unethical behavior - so no impeachment, but possibly a harder time being electable in 2020.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 09:57 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Dfairlite

1) I THINK Russian intelligence contacted a trump associate and offered the deal of the century..

They (Russia) gets all the private staff emails of his political opponent and drops it on the eve of the election, too close to even know if they contain anything felonious. In exchange for dropping sanctions and maybe not interfere if with Ukraine..

A deal any cut throat buisness man takes if he thinks he can get away with it.

Then there is all the shady stuff..

Trumps only change to the GOP party platform being not giving Ukraine weapons.. the ONLY change trump made.


Flynn being a foreign agent for turkey, a Russian puppet state..

Flynn telling the Russian ambassador he would lift sanctions.

The CIA, FBI and NSA all saying Russia hacked the dnc and helped trump win both the GOP primary and the presidential election..

Multiple trump people lying about meetings with Russian officials..

Multiple people fired when stories of their connections to Russia surfaced..

Exc.. there are a few more I'm forgetting..




2) because it is a great deal that benefits both parties.

This deal isn't like the Hillary and obama theories that require a mustache twirling villian to be true..

This is a deal half the population takes if offered.. how many Americans care one little bit about Russian sanctions or helping Ukraine??? Not many...

It doesn't take a

"Muslim Plante socialist who purposely wants to destroy america , while running an elite pedo ring and murdering people!!"

Like it would for the Hillary and obama conspiracies..


3) I'm not sure..

I think the change to the GOP platform was a down payment maybe.. and the call from Flynn the the Russian ambassador was telling Putin.."the deal is still on.. even if obama added more sanctions."



That's quite a fairy tale....maybe you should contact The Brothers Grimm and get it published.



Is that what you consider a counterpoint??


Yes.
Nothing else needs to be said.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 09:59 PM
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Not left wing, but from life experience with men like him, who believe anything can be done with the right amount of money and favors, and based on everything that has come out of his, and his administrations mouth. Trump was clearly aware Russia was helping him, he welcomed it, and won. Wether he started it or not, who knows. We'll find out probably 40 years from now.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

What do I win?



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: trollz

I don't believe the full investigation is over yet.

But if you really want to know my prediction, I think there will be no evidence of criminal behavior, just unethical behavior - so no impeachment, but possibly a harder time being electable in 2020.


What unethical behavior do you think he may have partaken in?



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite

1) What specifically do you believe transpired between the trump campaign and russia that was both illegal and unprecedented?
2) Why do you believe they (russia and trump) did it?
3) When do you believe it started?


1. They colluded to turn the USA into a communist country post election - Trump was going to wipe his ass with the DoI on live TV and announce that all Americans are stupid as sh!t.

2. Because Vladimir Putin and all Russians want the USA without any Americans in it - just the country, it's failing infrastructure, all the positive bank accounts and most importantly, it's military.

3. Just after Adam and Eve got kicked out of the garden.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
As you all know, I don't believe much of the collusion hullabaloo, but I was thinking about the whole thing today and I'm having trouble understanding what the charge of Russian collusion is even supposed to mean.

1) What specifically do you believe transpired between the trump campaign and russia that was both illegal and unprecedented?
2) Why do you believe they (russia and trump) did it?
3) When do you believe it started?


I'll take a stab at this, from my slightly left of right position...


1) I don't know, but I would hope that any and all contact is investigate because the American people deserve to know if their President was in cahoots, or is beholding to a foreign government, foreign bank, foreign intelligence service or foreign dignitary.
2) I believe there is sufficient evidence to warrant an investigation.
3) Probably June 2016...according to the son of the President.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I kinda agree...

Assuming it's true, what kinda evidence do you actually need to convict trump???

Like a tape of the meeting or something like that..

To prosecute a sitting president for treason, your gonna have to have somthing rock solid..

That said I think Putin would have been smart enough to tape the meeeting lol.. but good luck getting him to drop that..


So if he did or did not do it, it is gonna besuper hard to prove against a sitting president.. any sitting president..



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 10:16 PM
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originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Dfairlite

1) I THINK Russian intelligence contacted a trump associate and offered the deal of the century..

They (Russia) gets all the private staff emails of his political opponent and drops it on the eve of the election, too close to even know if they contain anything felonious. In exchange for dropping sanctions and maybe not interfere if with Ukraine..

A deal any cut throat buisness man takes if he thinks he can get away with it.

Then there is all the shady stuff..

Trumps only change to the GOP party platform being not giving Ukraine weapons.. the ONLY change trump made.


Flynn being a foreign agent for turkey, a Russian puppet state..

Flynn telling the Russian ambassador he would lift sanctions.

The CIA, FBI and NSA all saying Russia hacked the dnc and helped trump win both the GOP primary and the presidential election..

Multiple trump people lying about meetings with Russian officials..

Multiple people fired when stories of their connections to Russia surfaced..

Exc.. there are a few more I'm forgetting..




2) because it is a great deal that benefits both parties.

This deal isn't like the Hillary and obama theories that require a mustache twirling villian to be true..

This is a deal half the population takes if offered.. how many Americans care one little bit about Russian sanctions or helping Ukraine??? Not many...

It doesn't take a

"Muslim Plante socialist who purposely wants to destroy america , while running an elite pedo ring and murdering people!!"

Like it would for the Hillary and obama conspiracies..


3) I'm not sure..

I think the change to the GOP platform was a down payment maybe.. and the call from Flynn the the Russian ambassador was telling Putin.."the deal is still on.. even if obama added more sanctions."



That's quite a fairy tale....maybe you should contact The Brothers Grimm and get it published.



Is that what you consider a counterpoint??


Yes.
Nothing else needs to be said.



I would avoid enrolling in any debate classes, lol...

Then again.. maybe you should.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 10:26 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox



turkey, a Russian puppet state..

HAHAHA, seriously?!?

Is NATO aware of Turkey being a Russian puppet state?



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: JHumm

Your 100% right about most of that..

Hillary lost the election because everyone hates her and only almost everyone hates trump..

Russia would not be to blame for messing with our elections since we happily do that on a regular basis..


That said TRUMP would not be blameless as he would be working with a forien adversary to swing a presidential election.. which is basically the definition of treason..

So Russia not at fault for doing what's best for Russia..

Trump is at fault for not doing what is best for America.

Hypothetically assuming it is true..

I also think the reason this is a story . Is because the FBI, CIA and NSA think it is true..

They have been fighting Russia covertly for decades, and here comes this idiot making a deal to rig the election for the Russians..

So a bunch of them are pissed and want it to come out.

Another possibility I think is likely is that Russia has set trump up..


They hack the dnc and help him win 100% without his knowledge.. then set up a bunch of seemingly legit meetings with Russian officials , that end up looking shady later..

Then they watch the us intelligence agencies in competition with Moscow scramble like chickens with their heads cut off.

Imho the benefit trail is just too obvious to be 100% coincidence.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 10:32 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

Where does turkey get all their military equipment and oil??



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