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posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

Thats BS. No modern nation has all the raw resources needed to produce 100% of everything they need. No nation ever has.

Hence trade filled the gaps.

The argument of mandatory interdependence is only true for the corporate level. We don't need global corporations. We only need for OUR corporations to COMPETE. They can with our near continent size of land mass. Deserts to rainforests.

Canada needs to keep the model. They need to get their hands on massive amounts of immigration in order to industrialize. They are a series of city states and providence kingdoms lost in a wilderness they never tamed.

Good luck laying the roads down alone without mass exploitation of immigration.

Then make industry that can compete with the worlds supply and demand of raw materials.

Who DOESN'T need what the US represents on that global market?

But that is the real reason for globalism. The down side to interconnectedness fitted to upper level wastefulness.

Internationalism is the tree of progress and globalism is the weed that stifles its growth.

From needing to manufacture wars that my brothers go to die for, to manufacturing economic check mates on entire nations by single wealthy individuals who hold no nationality...globalism is proven to be a failed form of tyranny, loosely veiled as "freedom".

We aren't the good guys. This isn't a movie.

We are our own people as is appropriate. Everyone should be looking to protect themselves. Anyone selling a flower has been growing it in crap to make it beautiful.

The lie is that we should care. The world is free as we are. Think as you please. We are all guilty of always trying to survive. That's why judgemental emotional value checks are irrelevant.


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posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

I can't believe you think internationalism and globalism are inherently good or bad?!?!

Or that you think they are different?!??

Lol..

They literally have the same definition..

What it is, is that people allow TPTB to create buzzwords meant to illicit an instant response through propaganda..


"That is globalist so pay no attention to what they are saying!! Just ignore them and hate them.."

It is crazy..

Socialism, monarchy, dictatorship, capitalism,democracy, communist, liberal , conservative.. exc exc exc

None are inherently good or evil...



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 06:11 PM
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I'm seeing it more and more. These people post threads that are controversial and causes us to fight one another. For reasons I have not figured out. Other then for the Star and Flag system and the possibility of making money off of it.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

You made an assumption

I did not say they are inherently good or bad. That would imply I hold a good or bad system of beliefs.

That I believe in good or evil.

I said we are not the good guys. That this isnt a movie. Why sell that defense?

How convenient for your argument.

Nice try.

EDIT TO ADD:
Homework:

Look up Globalism and GLOBALIZATION.

If you notice I argued that it is FAILED, what I refer to is its DOWNSIDE, that is the globalism the conversation made reference to and carried from my prior argument.

That only some nations need the model. Those who never became self sufficient. Like those who grew up on colonial blood and then lost their global colonies.

in·ter·na·tion·al·ism
ˌin(t)ərˈnaSH(ə)nlˌizəm/Submit
noun
1.
the state or process of being international.
"the internationalism of popular music"


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posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: veracity

Op good thread! The people of the U.S. need to hear how the rest of the world feels about us. Just because were a super power doesn't mean we should ignore constructive criticism and perspectives from people around the world. It seems the U.S. is always ready to criticize other countries about human rights issues and their form of government. We criticize other countries who get involved in foreign matters yet we constantly meddle in overseas conflicts. Nobody would like anyone outside their neighborhood to come in and tell them how to act or take sides in a dispute.

Sometimes the truth hurts, but we need that outside perspective to help keep the U.S. from thinking we have all the answers to issues facing its citizens and foreign matters.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: WeRpeons

We got it already. The rest of the world hates us.

We didn't need a thread to rehash that. We see it every day and get told about it by our own press and the elites who run our country.

We are beneath contempt for being who and what we are.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: eirgud
well said



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:11 PM
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As a current Midwest American, I do find this thread intriguing. I have been fortunate to have drinks with many globally and hear how they really feel. It varies greatly individually and actually depends on their own personal biased comparisons, I have found.

Every country seems to be somewhat divided on their views and patriotism. Many naturally default instinctually to their 'home' as being better regarding specific but personal biased issues.

My own take has and is that normal civilians of all classes and countries, really don't differ except culturally engrained proproganda. I know America is supposed to be a melting pot...but I rather enjoy that a nation so large has unique cultures still. Not unlike Europe having unique cultures within their borders.

I would hate for the individual cultures to blend into a porridge of sameness. Ugh! Variety is the spice of life...but any chef knows...never over spice a dish that it overwhelms the flavor...only add pinches to complement all the flavors for an appealing entree'.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: DerBeobachter




When we were childs everybody wanted to go to the former USA. The longer you live and see the game they play, everything else is better than to go to the USA. Sad for the nice and sane people there, sad for the nice landscape there. But your ruling class ruined it, over the decades, doesn´t matter which side of your one party system was in power, dems or reps!





posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: DBCowboy



Don't move here.

You don't seem to get it moving here has nothing to do with it. America cannot stand alone in the world anymore simply because we cannot produce enough raw resources to meet our needs.


Not true at all. It would be a painful process, but the US has more than enough coal to convert all electrical generation in the country to coal fire and never skip a beat. We'd also have to revive America's manufacturing sector, but we are one of the few countries in the world who could "stand alone."



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:33 PM
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How do I see the United States ?

As a beautiful country , with many intetesting places to see and interesting people to visit with. Sure there are ahole types in all countries so I won't blame the lot for a handful. ( unfortunately many of those are in the upper echelons of education, government, health care... and yes religion.

What do I think of Trump? I think half of America couldn't stand his personality even before he decided to run and have made this a personal issue about a personality instead of politics. Personally I feel Trump wants to do right by America, and bring back your country to more flourishing times with less scamming from illegal immigrants. He also seems genuinely concerned for the safety of the country as well as those who are paid to serve and protect, which I find honourable. Do I think he sticks his foot in his mouth at times... and is far too concerned with ego... oh yeah ! But he seems to have an integrity in trying to keep his promises to his voter base. ( as best as he's allowed)
Donald Trump may turn out to be one of the best things that happened to USA... time will tell. He's been resilient at best, considering how much he's been attacked by press and the celebrity world. My hope is he can make America great again... with a lot of help from many wise good souls.

What makes me sad about America right now is the hate I see.. especially coming from the left in form of extreme destructive rioting. Demonstrations that appear more as children having a tantrum than grown ups who are willing to have an open honest discussion , while practicing the graciousness of letting others have different views, as well as freedom to act on those views.

❤️I love you America... you are like family to Canada in my mind. And we need to keep our union of brotherhood strong... and not let pettiness divide us.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:38 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

No he has a point.

At this stage in my life I have heard enough empty sore ass accusations leveled at my people to fill a stadium.



So how about them Muslims? Poor butthurt Americans should learn to take a little criticism because they sure can dish it out.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:40 PM
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a reply to: Syphon

What about them. My daughter has a Muslim name.

We dont mind Muslims. You probably didnt hear because its somehow wrong to call a duck a duck, but we only dislike RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM


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posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:41 PM
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originally posted by: Syphon

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

No he has a point.

At this stage in my life I have heard enough empty sore ass accusations leveled at my people to fill a stadium.



So how about them Muslims? Poor butthurt Americans should learn to take a little criticism because they sure can dish it out.


Sounds like you are either an islamaphobe or just plain ignorant!

Ever hear of the term "none sequitur"?



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: RomeByFire

Complaining about his campaign promises is trivial, because contrary to popular belief, he is actually trying his best.

So what do you suggest? We impeach him and let back the left into power? What was the alternative? What is the alternative?

How do you not take the chance? What is there to lose? If we're wrong about him, we lose regardless. This is probably the only time in history where you'll get this chance. So instead of having faith and wanting the country to succeed, you would all rather be pessimists with no real solution, just because "omg Trump".

Think long and hard about it.




And who are you to say I haven't thought loud and hard about it? I've watched the "Rise of Donald Trump," a good friend of mine from high school/college is a massive Trump supporter. He's also a devout religious man. He OFTEN affiliates Trump as God's plan to deter the powers that be, it's what Trumps goal in life is - and he is, and always has been, VERY aware of corruption in government and what comes with it.

I simply disagree. Simply.

I think Trump is the ILLUSION of exactly what my friend believes, and we have fun discussing the topic and albeit more professionally than here on ATS but it's also spoken rather than typed.

The same thing you believe about having this only one chance was the last remaining iota of my hope for the political structure after watching Ron Paul get absolutely ass-blasted. And yes, I voted for him, and I would again.

Who said anything about impeaching Trump? That's your red herring, I've never suggested anything such. The Russia # is just that - #, but nice try.

And Hillary? She lost. Get over it. I most certainly am. I'll be honest, I would have rather had Trump than Hillary but I personally don't BELIEVE in the (s)election process. Again - Ron Paul.

I enjoyed Trump's campaign promises. I agreed with some of them. Marijuana, locking Hillary up, bringing jobs back, ending the enabling of illegal immigration, locking Hillary up, ending special interest groups lobbying super PAC's, putting America first, did I mention locking Hillary up?

Sure, it may be early in the game, but on BOTH sides of the aisle I hardly see discussion about what's actually getting done.

If I'm wrong - great! Reality is, I live in Illinois and life is about to get real fun in the next few years. I'm seriously contemplating liquidating my #, and upping and moving before winter. I've lived here my entire life. And no - I'm not in any way blaming this on Trump, just a bit of a side note.

What's the alternative to all of it? I don't know, man. I don't have the answers. But that statement bothers me. THAT is what government dependence looks like. That anything other than what currently stands couldn't possibly be better, that there are no alternatives, and that we should continually follow the same path (politically) in HOPES for a different result.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: tadaman
Why the hell do we care what the world thinks?

Well, the OP asked. Are you challenging his right to do so?
If not...then what exactly are you mouthing off about? Seems to me he was quite specific about wanting to talk to foreigners. Why not start your own thread and engage some dittoheads to keep you amused?


You poor butthurt Canuck!

After all the posts of yours demeaning my country, my culture, my ancestry, and here you are with the typical DEFLECTION?

At least my government doesn't have a globalist CUCK who give a terrorist 10 million dollars!

But hey! In your adamant virtue signaling to bring in more? I will adamantly fight against my government spending a penny to come and save you from your own demise!

Actually, I'm quite enjoying you and your ilk slamming a fellow American who is asking to know more.And where is my deflection? I answered some questions...seems you are running interference? You funny!


originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Whats your problem.
I said my peace. Accept or ignore
The OP cant set rules. You and him should start your own website.

No, actually, you said your piece. But I digress...
Like I said, there is a type of stereotypical America that is loud and obnoxious...inserts himself and his opinions into conversations that don't concern him...nah, nevermind.
Go Trump!!!


I think you are LOUD AND OBNOXIOUS!
So what's your point?

Donno man...seems you're the one yelling. I'm just trying to have a civilised conversation with the OP without getting ranted at by those who weren't asked in the first place. Or is that the problem?


ROFLMAO!

Laughing at ya, not with ya!


Let's see how long you Canucks last with million dollar payouts to terrorists!


Keep bringing that up. It only drives home what many people already think of Americans. Wallow in ignorance like a pig in mud.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: ConscienceZombie

Is there a way to make money off of it??? I never thought as much!

If there is...please tell me how, because I have no idea. GooToob, yes, but I don't do GooToob for exactly that reason, because it is monetized. If ATS suddenly became monetized I would lay down my hat and back away.

I have no use for politically motivated rhetoric...although I HAVE seen some of it here, as late as last night when the 'rainbow pride' moved in on a trans thread. It was pretty obvious the ringers had now signed up and weighed in.

There's definitely more than a few watch groups who watch ATS. Not sure there's anything you can do about them...other than just deal with them.

Right and left, Democrat and Republican, two parties...have no place in modern society.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Syphon

What about them. My daughter has a Muslim name.

We dont mind Muslims. You probably didnt hear because its somehow wrong to call a duck a duck, but we only dislike RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM

Are you saying that Muslims in general aren't affected by anti-muslim rhetoric? All the anti muslim BS I read on these boards and elsewhere is ONLY directed towards the RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS? If you spent any time on these boards (and boy oh boy do you ever) you would know you are full of it.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:50 PM
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originally posted by: Syphon

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: tadaman
Why the hell do we care what the world thinks?

Well, the OP asked. Are you challenging his right to do so?
If not...then what exactly are you mouthing off about? Seems to me he was quite specific about wanting to talk to foreigners. Why not start your own thread and engage some dittoheads to keep you amused?


You poor butthurt Canuck!

After all the posts of yours demeaning my country, my culture, my ancestry, and here you are with the typical DEFLECTION?

At least my government doesn't have a globalist CUCK who give a terrorist 10 million dollars!

But hey! In your adamant virtue signaling to bring in more? I will adamantly fight against my government spending a penny to come and save you from your own demise!

Actually, I'm quite enjoying you and your ilk slamming a fellow American who is asking to know more.And where is my deflection? I answered some questions...seems you are running interference? You funny!


originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Whats your problem.
I said my peace. Accept or ignore
The OP cant set rules. You and him should start your own website.

No, actually, you said your piece. But I digress...
Like I said, there is a type of stereotypical America that is loud and obnoxious...inserts himself and his opinions into conversations that don't concern him...nah, nevermind.
Go Trump!!!


I think you are LOUD AND OBNOXIOUS!
So what's your point?

Donno man...seems you're the one yelling. I'm just trying to have a civilised conversation with the OP without getting ranted at by those who weren't asked in the first place. Or is that the problem?


ROFLMAO!

Laughing at ya, not with ya!


Let's see how long you Canucks last with million dollar payouts to terrorists!


Keep bringing that up. It only drives home what many people already think of Americans. Wallow in ignorance like a pig in mud.


Don't give a damn what you think of me!

We good?



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Totes, brah.




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