Zionism and NWO?

I have often seen people draw parallels between NWO and Zionism, and I got to admit, I don't really know much about this. All I know is that Hitler felt the need to destroy the movement of Zionism(which started late 19th century) and he was connected in someway to the NWO. Either that, or Zionism was connected to the NWO?

I also know that Israel is perhaps one of the most dangerous, fanatical nations around and has a lot of Jewish-fundamentalists that want nuclear wars.

Is there a link: NWO -- ZIONISM -- NAZIS -- ARYANS?

[edit on 7-2-2005 by Indigo_Child]

This has been covered a lot of times here at ATS. You may remember my "Protocols of Zion" thread where we discussed zionism aswell. Also, look for a thread called "the so called jews are behind the NWO"..this had a lot of mention of zionism.

I don't personally believe that there is a plausible connection between Zionism and the NWO. I believe that any New World Order would be ushered in by the U.N. (of course this is only my personal belief) However, the U.N. is an organization notorious for its anti-semitism.... Therefore, I do not personally believe the connection is there.

Who exactly is it that proudly calls themselves a Zionist? What exactly is a Zionist, an Israeli imperialist?

Essentially, Zionism refers to the movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the restoration of Israel as outlined in the Old Testament. According to promises God made to Abraham and his descendants, the promised land would be given to them. This land would span from the Nile to Tigris and Euphrates river, I believe.

Originally posted by XX_SicSemperTyrannis_XX
Essentially, Zionism refers to the movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the restoration of Israel as outlined in the Old Testament. According to promises God made to Abraham and his descendants, the promised land would be given to them. This land would span from the Nile to Tigris and Euphrates river, I believe.

Text book answer
The main things against Zionism is this. God throw the jews out of Israel because they were not worshipping Him, etc and basicly disobeying Him. God said he would allow them to return if they prove to Him that they will obey. Now, some say that the Jews have not proved themselves and others just say Zionism cannot use the Torah as a reason to return to Israel.

Today, decades after the actual founding of a Jewish state, Zionism continues to be the guiding nationalist movement of the majority of Jews around the world who believe in, support and identify with the State of Israel.



Rebekka

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Originally posted by Riwka
Today, decades after the actual founding of a Jewish state, Zionism continues to be the guiding nationalist movement of the majority of Jews around the world who believe in, support and identify with the State of Israel.



Rebekka

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we must not forget the jews who are against Zionsim.
Some Jews think Zionism is wrong and isn't right.

Originally posted by infinite

we must not forget the jews who are against Zionsim.
Some Jews think Zionism is wrong and isn't right.

That is why I said "the majority of Jews around the world"

"Zionism" has several different meanings. It includes, for example,

* political Zionists (Theodore Herzl)
* socialist Zionists (Ber Borochov, Moses Hess)
* religious Zionists ( Rabbi Kook)
* extreme nationalists ( Jabotinski)
* cultural Zionists (Ahad Ha'am)
* ....

Zionist ideas evolved over time and were influenced by many circumstances.

Accordingly, no single person, publication, quote or pronouncement should be taken as embodying "official" Zionist ideology.
After the establishment of the Jewish state, the Zionist organization has helped to bring millions of new immigrants to Israel.

In 1975 UN General Assembly Resolution 3397, branded Zionism as racism. The rationale for this idea was that Zionism is a colonialist movement that assumes that the racial superiority of the Jews gives them the right to dispossess the Arabs of Palestine.
But Zionist ideology is not based on racial notions and didn't assume superiority of the Jews. So this UN-Resolution 3379 was repealed in 1991

More: The State of Israel: Lexicon of Zionism

Rebekka

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
I have often seen people draw parallels between NWO and Zionism, and I got to admit, I don't really know much about this. All I know is that Hitler felt the need to destroy the movement of Zionism

Since when was hitler an anti-zionist? When did he oppose an ethnic state for jews? Zionism is a type of nationalism. If israel had existed in something like its current form, the nazis might've just kicked the jews out of germany (although I suspect that thats unlikely), but why would they oppose a far away jew-land? They certianly proved capable of working with other ethnicities, like indians and the japanese and some muslims (nad of course italians and the spanish too really).

yellocake
What exactly is a Zionist

A jewish nationalist. They want the promised land, the land of milk and honey, old Sion/Zion. It need nothing to do with imperialism. Zionists want a jewish ethnic state, a judea for jews, just like a 'germany for germans' and an 'italy for italians'.

This land would span from the Nile to Tigris and Euphrates river, I believe.

The promised land had not definitive boundaries, and was already given to the jews thousands of years ago, once with abraham and later with moses.

Rikwa
The rationale for this idea was that Zionism is a colonialist movement that ssumes that the racial superiority of the Jews

Certainly, one need not be a racist to think that the jewish ethnicity should have its own homeland, any more than one need be a racist to think the palestinians should have a home land, or that the arabs should have an arabia. Nationalist Ethnic states certainly do flirt with racism, asserting that the race exists and has interests and that those interests should be played out on the level of states, and since international politics is essentially power politics, it can, potentially, be racist. But it needn't be. Heck by the UN's reasoning, the UN is racist, since it followed thru with a policy of general zionism.

The promised land had not definitive boundaries, and was already given to the jews thousands of years ago, once with abraham and later with moses.

Read Genesis 15:18-21. The land is from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates River....Israel has never fully controlled all of this land. This will happen when Christ returns to estalblish his millenial kingdom on earth.

I have read the article by at www.theunjustmedia.com... and am unsure of it's validity. I will quote a bit of it:

On this basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group believed was in its own national interest. As a result, the Hitler government vigorously supported Zionism and Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until 1940-1941, when the Second World War prevented extensive collaboration.

Even as the Third Reich became more entrenched, many German Jews, probably a majority, continued to regard themselves, often with considerable pride, as Germans first. Few were enthusiastic about pulling up roots to begin a new life in far-away Palestine. Nevertheless, more and more German Jews turned to Zionism during this period. Until late 1938, the Zionist movement flourished in Germany under Hitler. The circulation of the Zionist Federation's bi-weekly Jüdische Rundschau grew enormously. Numerous Zionist books were published. "Zionist work was in full swing" in Germany during those years, the Encyclopaedia Judaica notes. A Zionist convention held in Berlin in 1936 reflected "in its composition the vigorous party life of German Zionists."7

The SS was particularly enthusiastic in its support for Zionism. An internal June 1934 SS position paper urged active and wide-ranging support for Zionism by the government and the Party as the best way to encourage emigration of Germany's Jews to Palestine. This would require increased Jewish self-awareness. Jewish schools, Jewish sports leagues, Jewish cultural organizations -- in short, everything that would encourage this new consciousness and self-awareness - should be promoted, the paper recommended.8

The references are:

7."Berlin," Encyclopaedia Judaica (New York and Jerusalem: 1971), Vol. 5, p. 648. For a look at one aspect of this "vigorous life," see: J.-C. Horak, "Zionist Film Propaganda in Nazi Germany," Historical Journal of Film, Radio and Television, Vol. 4, No. 1, 1984, pp. 49-58.

8.Francis R. Nicosia, The Third Reich and the Palestine Question (1985), pp. 54-55.; Karl A. Schleunes, The Twisted Road to Auschwitz (Urbana: Univ. of Illinois, 1970, 1990), pp. 178-181.

Is it true that the Nazis had a 'transfer agreement' for some jews to be actively relocated to Palestine? The author says so and quotes refrences in books I do not have. I am still researching this issue and I think this is an important question.

Originally posted by smallpeeps

Even as the Third Reich became more entrenched, many German Jews, probably a majority, continued to regard themselves, often with considerable pride, as Germans first.

I do not think so. In 1935, the Nuremberg Laws were passed. The Jews lost their right to be German citizens....



The Zionistische Vereinigung fur Deutschland (German Zionist Federation; ZVfD) was founded in October 1897. The ZVfD promoted Zionism and organized Jewish emigration.

In 1933, the Jewish population of Europe stood at over nine million.

Hitler blamed the Jews for all the misfortunes that had befallen Germany.

Never a mass movement, Zionism became a major force among Jews in Germany after 1933

After January 1933, the Jews became the "Untermenschen" (sub-humans). Nazi thugs stopped Germans from shopping in Jewish shops.

By 1934, all Jewish shops were marked with the yellow Star of David or had the word "Juden" written on the window. SA men stood outside the shops to deter anyone form entering.

In reaction to the Nazi seizure of power, the Jewish public turned to Zionism as an avenue of escape. In 1933, hundreds of Jews crowded the Palastina-Amt (Palestine Office) of the ZVfD seeking immigration certificates to Palestine. But the office did not have a sufficient number of certificates for people without capital who wished to enter Palestine.

Originally posted by smallpeeps

Is it true that the Nazis had a 'transfer agreement' for some jews to be actively relocated to Palestine?

The Haavara agreement (hebr haavara= TRANSFER), signed in 1933, between German authorities, the German Zionist Federation and the Anglo-Palestine Bank. The haavara agreement encouraged the emigration of 60,000 German Jews who, although forced to leave their assets in Germany, received partial payment in German export goods. (Until 1935 the Haavara agreement concerned only immigrants whose property exceeded 1,000 pounds. This sum was required by the British authorities in order to obtain a "capitalist" certificate, for immigration to Palestine.)

In 1935, the Nuremberg Laws were passed.
The Jews lost their right to be German citizens (The Reich Citizenship Law)
and marriage between Jews and non-Jews was forbidden. ( Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor)


Many futher decrees followed and were based on the Nurenberg Laws. Jews were forced to wear a yellow Star of David on their clothes at all times so that they could be easily identified and more effectively excluded..

The ZVfD sought to persuade the Nazis that Zionist efforts to promote Jewish national consciousness and emigration to Palestine were in Germany's interest, and that these efforts required the protection of the civil rights and economic livelihood of the Jewish community. For the most part, the Nazis incorporated the Zionist goal, but not the desired means, into their policies. The ZVfD worked closely with non-Zionists in the Reichsvertretung. especially in the areas of cultural and educational work.

On November 9, 1938, the Nazis destroyed synagogues and the shop windows of Jewish-owned stores throughout Germany and Austria. (Kristallnacht)

In 1938 after Kristallnacht, the remaining Jewish organizations, including the ZVfD, were dissolved. The Palastina-Amt continued to function through 1941, until the beginning of the deportations to the east.

The Jewish population of Germany tried to flee, to the United States, Latin America and Shanghai. (In Shanghai no visa was required for entry, which was a great convenience). Those who fleed to eastern and western Europe did a poor choice. The Nazis catched many of them again. Many foreign countries (the United States, Britain, Canada, and France were among these) made it even harder to get out due to strict emigration policies designed to thwart large amounts of refugees from entering.

Most of th Jews who remained in Nazi Germany were unable to obtain visas. Some could not get sponsors in host countries, or were simply too poor to be able to afford the trip.

The Zionist aliyah effort focused on rescuing Jews from Nazi-occupied Europe the majority came illegally to Palestine This immigration, called Aliyah Bet, arrived by land and by sea, from Europe and the Middle East, in contravention of British orders.

The U.S. State Department delayed publicizing reports of genocide. In August 1942, the State Department received a cable confirming Nazi plans for the murder of Europe's Jews.Thirty eight countries met at Evian (France) to discuss the treatment of the Jews in Germany, but no real help was offered. By the spring of 1944, the Allies knew of the gassings at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Jewish leaders pleaded unsuccessfully with the U.S. government to bomb the gas chambers and railways leading to the camp, but nobody helped. Neither the gas chambers nor the railways used to transport prisoners had been bombed. Genocide had become the singular focus of Nazi antisemitism. By 1945, close to two out of every three European Jews had been killed by the Nazis.



Rebekka


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u know what u all read all ur info on google search so it dont matter whos right or whos wrong

Originally posted by XX_SicSemperTyrannis_XX
Read Genesis 15:18-21. The land is from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates River....Israel has never fully controlled all of this land. This will happen when Christ returns to estalblish his millenial kingdom on earth.

I thought it said that Christ will not return until Israel its borders are River of Egypt to the Euphrates River not when he returns

The boundaries of Eretz Israel were never fixed and rigid. (Even not within the tora!)

For example, under King David, Israel's empire was considerably larger than the area promised to Abraham; and when Solomon ceded "twenty cities in the land of the Galilee" to Hiram of Tyre there seems to have been no sense that any sacred territorial commitment was being violated.

I don't know how it is translated into your language, but please take a look at.

Gen 13:14-15
(means: take a look from where you are: after midnight, high noon, in the morning , in the eving. All the land you can see will be yours)

Gen. 15:18
(means from the River of Eqypt which is the Nile River)

Num. 34:5
(describes an area from Wadi El Arish in the Eastern Sinai which is app. 200 miles east of the Nile River!)

Close to the year 100 c.e., Rabban Gamliel of Yavneh published a list of locations considered part of the Land of Israel. About a century later, Rabbi Yehudah Hanassi issued a similar list, which differed in a number of details.


Rebekka


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