D Day, most overrated day in history?

a reply to: Raggedyman

Yes, the Russians did win on the East. But, as I was trying to point out, they didn't do anything in a vacuum. If there was no eastern front, do you think Russia would have had the same experience? If Germany had no other front other than Russia? maybe you should read a history book?

a reply to: crazyewok

hey hey you forgot ideologically too !
the only thing they "maybe" had going for them was the style of their uniforms.

Didnt all the german scientists who worked on their version of the A bomb all explain that the US were mad to carry out the test on civilians etc as soon as they heard about hiroshima and nagasaki

or is that just propaganda ?

a reply to: sapien82

Yeah the few German nuclear scientists that Hitler hadn't scared off to the Allies where very concerned about igniting the atmosphere or that the nuclear chain reaction would not end and consume the earth.

D Day opened a 3rd front in the war (remember, we were already fighting the Germans in Italy)

And I am not sure the Dutch and Belgians etc would have been too keen on being "liberated" by the Soviets .... Had that happened, there might well have been another D Day further down the line .....

originally posted by: Raggedyman

The Russians turned the tide in 1943 at Stalingrad

It could be argued that the allies turned the tide in the skies of England in 1940 - thwarting Hitlers plans for the first time and ensuring that the whole of western Europe did not fall to him.

And then there was El Alamein in 1942 which was the major first land defeat of the German expansion. Now we were really fighting back .....

All of these were significant. The combination of these 3 was what turned the tide and defeated Hitler. IMO.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Was D Day overrated

It was delayed until it was sure the Nazis could be defeated, letting the Russians take the brunt of the punishment, then quickly US enters continent to be sure to get a piece of the pie.

The US waited until the end of WWI too for the same reason. After WWI they left.
After WWII they stayed, having occupied Europe to this day.

Hitler was the excuse to enter the continent, Stalin was the excuse to stay.

Other parallels currently in endless occupations of Middle East countries...

911 was why we went into Afghanistan and Iraq, and the war on terror was the excuse to stay, occupying the region till this day.

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: Raggedyman

The Russians turned the tide in 1943 at Stalingrad

It could be argued that the allies turned the tide in the skies of England in 1940 - thwarting Hitlers plans for the first time and ensuring that the whole of western Europe did not fall to him.

And then there was El Alamein in 1942 which was the major first land defeat of the German expansion. Now we were really fighting back .....

All of these were significant. The combination of these 3 was what turned the tide and defeated Hitler. IMO.

It was when he failed to take Britain and invade Russia at the same time.

Pretty much all hitlers field marshals and generals where in total despair when he took that descion as they knew they had lost. Well except field Marshall Keital who was a brown nose suck up and yes man to Hitler.