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U.N. follies, becoming more "Irrelevant"

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posted on Feb, 7 2005 @ 06:23 AM
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Is the United Nations attempting self-parody?


How else to explain the announcement that a panel has been elected to decide which complaints will be heard by the U.N. Human Rights Commission at its annual meeting in Geneva this spring -- and that three of the five members are Cuba, Zimbabwe and Saudi Arabia?

Placement on the diplomatically-named Working Group on Situations virtually guarantees that these abject human rights abusers won't be criticized, censured or sanctioned no matter what crimes they have committed, are committing or plan to commit.

If any senior U.N. officials are troubled by this system, they are too discreet to say so publicly.

The composition of the broader Human Rights Commission remains no less Orwellian. Currently, it includes not only China and Russia but also Sudan, just elected to another three-year term despite Khartoum's role in what the United States government calls genocide against black Muslims in the western Sudanese region of Darfur
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www.townhall.com...

This is too stupid to be funny anymore. The UN just needs to die a fast death.

[edit on 7-2-2005 by DrHoracid]




posted on Feb, 7 2005 @ 08:18 AM
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You forgot to mention that the commision is headed by Lybia, a state known for its close links to "slavers" bringing illegal immigrants over to Europe. While Colonel Khadafi aknowledges the issue and promises, amid smiles and hugs, to solve the problem quickly, immigrants are still being sent by the shipload to Europe, often with the complicity of Lybian high-ranking officers. Lybia has a serious "immigration" problem: since it's a moderately wealthy state (because of its oil and natural gas reserves), it attracts all sorts of desperate people from surrounding nations (Chad, Egypt, etc) and beyond (Sudan, Ghana, etc). The government simply doesn't want them around, so arranges for them a luxury trip to Europe aboard overcrowded, leaking boats. Oh, I forgot to mention that the immigrants have to pay for this trip... often more than you and I would pay for a true luxury cruise. The money is then divided between the slavers themselves and the Lybian officers covering up their small business. This is not to mention how Colonel Khadafi's "revolutionary" government treated the European settlers (mostly Italian) after coming to power: complete confiscation of all properties and forced expulsion from the country. Even of those of European ancestry who had been born in Lybia and had Lybian citizenship were expelled.
A jolly little gang, if you ask me.



posted on Feb, 7 2005 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
This is too stupid to be funny anymore.
The UN just needs to die a fast death.


I hear ya'!! And what is REALLY sad is that our
tax money, and our American land in Manhatten,
is being sucked up by these leaches. Instead of
taking care of slavery in Africa (which still is a big
problem!) or sex slavery in the Netherlands or
child slavery in Indonesia or the child sex abuse
in the UN's own refugee camps ... the UN WHINES and
WHINES and WHINES about America. I don't
understand why we continue to pay for this
cesspool of corruption. The UN is WORSE than
useless. It perpetuates problems around the
world by it's inadequacy and it's corruption.



posted on Feb, 7 2005 @ 10:06 AM
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What do you suggest as a replacement?
Really, if the UN is such a bad thing what will replace it?
I mean there needs to be a orginisation that sets down the rights of humans and the way wars are fought, there also needs to be an orginisation that tries to help world peace and cooperation between countries.
Now tell me what will fill the gap?
The US?
No they are not impartial, the UK? No they are also not impartial!



posted on Feb, 7 2005 @ 10:23 AM
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Kinda hypocritical to get a commision together for the purpose of investigating and ending violations and then say three of the worst can be on it , even one would be to many but over 60% of the board , this commicion is done before it gets off the ground , a farce is all that it is .
I wouldnt be surprised if Bush was in the middle of it somehow. Who are the other 2 members?



posted on Feb, 7 2005 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid

This is too stupid to be funny anymore. The UN just needs to die a fast death.

[edit on 7-2-2005 by DrHoracid]


Did you wake up and realize this one day due to your careful study of international diplomacy, or are you just coincidentally echoing every right-wing radio station and blogger in the US? $100 to $1 that when pro-Iraq war pundits were screaming about the need to enforce UN resolutions on Iraq by US force you were beating out that drumline too.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by halo_aura

Originally posted by DrHoracid

This is too stupid to be funny anymore. The UN just needs to die a fast death.

[edit on 7-2-2005 by DrHoracid]


Did you wake up and realize this one day due to your careful study of international diplomacy, or are you just coincidentally echoing every right-wing radio station and blogger in the US? $100 to $1 that when pro-Iraq war pundits were screaming about the need to enforce UN resolutions on Iraq by US force you were beating out that drumline too.


Ever since Pol Pot was allowed to murder millions in the 70's in Cambodia I have beaten that drum. Since that time how many millions have died because the UN stood by and watched?

The UN is usless and has NEVER done anything except take money.......



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
Ever since Pol Pot was allowed to murder millions in the 70's in Cambodia I have beaten that drum. Since that time how many millions have died because the UN stood by and watched?

You talk about the UN as if its a diffrent country, you make it up.
Thats right your country is part of it.


The UN is usless and has NEVER done anything except take money.......

Fine thats your opinion but there have been many a case where the UN has done good, and you still have not answered my question.
Who would replace the UN?



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 06:30 PM
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The UN is not only a political organization, and it's not true that it hasn't done any good. The UN runs programs that promote literacy for all as well as lifelong learning (UNESCO) as well as other programs that promote children's health (UNICEF) and women's development (UNIFEM).

The UN does real work. It's not perfect, but to pretend it's completely and irreparably broken down is unrealistic.


Now tell me what will fill the gap?
The US?


That's the goal. The UN is in their way.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by Otts
That's the goal. The UN is in their way.

Thank you Otts, I was going to point out korea but you pointed out some very good other ones.
Well if thats thier plan you can bet it fail worse than the league of nations..



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
What do you suggest as a replacement?
Now tell me what will fill the gap?


Replace it? Why? Fill the gap? What gap? If the UN
ceased to exhist what gap would it leave? It would leave
a stinking hole that had been a corrupt cesspool that
did NOTHING except get the fat cats at the UN fatter and
richer, while bleeding the people (whom they were supposed
to be helping) ... bleeding them to death.

What did the UN do for the Rwandan and Iraqi peoples?
Nothing, except steal all their resources and money and
left them to die. What did the UN do to end slavery in
Africa. NOTHING. It's still boldly going on. What did the
UN do to end sex slavery in the Netherlands? NOTHING,
girls are still being abducted and forced to service 20,30,
40 men a day. What did the UN do for refugees? NOTHING
except provide a haven for sexual preditors. Last report
I saw said that 40% of children in UN refugee camps are
sexually molested. What did the UN do for children in
Indonesia who are being kidnapped in record high numbers
and sold into sex slavery? NOTHING. What did the UN do
about Arafat stealing tens of millions of $$$ that was supposed
to go to the Palestinians? NOTHING. They continued to
embrace the thieving murdering sack of S***

Now tell me, what 'gap' will be left when the UN stops exhisting?

When the UN ends, a massively corrupt international organization will
have ceased it's mafia-style illegal activities worldwide. The world will
be better off without it. MUCH better.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Replace it? Why? Fill the gap? What gap? If the UN
ceased to exhist what gap would it leave? It would leave
a stinking hole that had been a corrupt cesspool that
did NOTHING except get the fat cats at the UN fatter and
richer, while bleeding the people (whom they were supposed
to be helping) ... bleeding them to death.

Really?
So your happy to return to pre human rights warfare yeah?
And no human rights?
What about the aid agencies that help people in badly hit countries?
That "corrupt cesspool " as you call it has saved hundreds of thousands of lives, now tell me is the US prepared to go into africa and help the people there?
Or how about single handely help in the balklands with food and aid?


What did the UN do for the Rwandan and Iraqi peoples?
Nothing, except steal all their resources and money and
left them to die. What did the UN do to end slavery in
Africa. NOTHING.

What did america do in WW2? Steal german tech, what did the US do when argentina invaded the falklands???? NOTHING!
Our service men die and you dont help and call us an ally?????


It's still boldly going on. What did the
UN do to end sex slavery in the Netherlands? NOTHING,
girls are still being abducted and forced to service 20,30,
40 men a day.

Is the UN responseable for the internal policies of one nation?
NO its there to keep the world peace! And its doing a damm site better job than the US!


What did the UN do for refugees? NOTHING
except provide a haven for sexual preditors. Last report
I saw said that 40% of children in UN refugee camps are
sexually molested.

Really? I would like to see this report, oh and BTW when did the US help the refugees of falluja oh yeah set up camps there BUT oh what a shame no men can come so they mus go back into the cross fire and hope not to get naplamed!


What did the UN do for children in
Indonesia who are being kidnapped in record high numbers
and sold into sex slavery? NOTHING. What did the UN do
about Arafat stealing tens of millions of $$$ that was supposed
to go to the Palestinians? NOTHING. They continued to
embrace the thieving murdering sack of S***

What about the US????
The US trained UBL , they gave weapons to a dictator, also as I said is the UN's job to go into indonesia and hunt them down?
No that interpol!
How could the UN do anything with the US sitting with a veto to stop any action against isreal!


Now tell me, what 'gap' will be left when the UN stops exhisting?

What with the aid, WMD inspectors, peace keepers, human rights laws, UN POW laws... yeah they dont do much do they?


When the UN ends, a massively corrupt international organization will
have ceased it's mafia-style illegal activities worldwide. The world will
be better off without it. MUCH better.

The world would be better off without a rageing SUPER POWER GOING AROUND INVADEING COUNTRIES oh and using the UN laws as an excuse to break UN law!
Get a grip!
You cant control it so you hate it!
Until america gets control the UN is in there road for total control.
Also please stop this hyporacy the US has done far far worse than the UN ever will, when the US falls the world will be safe again.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
You cant control it so you hate it!
Until america gets control the UN is in there road for total control.
Also please stop this hyporacy the US has done far far worse than the UN ever will, when the US falls the world will be safe again.


So what is it you've been drinking?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
So what is it you've been drinking?



The sweet sweet drink of freedom, hows the american beer i believe its called "ignorance Is us" right?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 08:03 AM
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Every single thing the UN has done since 1948 has been a disaster, except one thing. Creating Israel..........But there isn't a single solitary thing the UN has ever accomplished. Not ONE............

The UN has made itself "irrelevant". It will be replaced by a new org......it will have about 10 members.

EU, North America (after we bomb and take over Canada and Mexico for being terrorist states), South America, Africa, well you get the picture.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
That "corrupt cesspool " as you call it has saved
hundreds of thousands of lives

It's MURDERED millions through the oil for food
thefts and other incompetences and illegal activities.
All those hundreds of millions of $$$ stolen
took food and medicine away from Iraqis who DIED
because of it. The UN NOT doing anything in Rwanda
killed a million more people. The UN NOT doing anything
about the slave trade in Africa has murdered tens of
thousands more and made the lives of tens of thousands
miserable. The UN refugee sex scandal at the camps
has made the lives of tens of thousands miserable ....
Yeah ... the UN saves lives ... riiiiiiiiiiiight. Even a blind pig
can find an acorn once in a while. IF the UN did any good,
it was just by sheer luck because their track record is
incompetance, theft, inaction and death.


What did america do in WW2? Steal german tech, what did the US do when argentina invaded the falklands???? NOTHING!

You are joking right? You must be. Hello? The GERMANS tried to
take over the world. They LOST. OF COURSE the allies would look
at everything the enemy had. If Germany lost anything technological
at the end of WWII it was their own damn fault for using that technology
to try to take over the world. If they had used their technology for good,
then the allies wouldn't have defended ourselves. The Germans got a
spanking for mass murdering Jews, Catholics, physically and mentally
handicapped in the camps, and for invading soverign countries of France,
Poland, bombing England, etc. America didn't 'STEAL' German technology.
Germany screwed up ... became a world bully ... and THEY lost the
technology when they lost the war that THEY started.

As far as the Falklands goes. America had no need to send troops.
We allowed England to use our air bases as launches during the 'war',
as well as use our other military bases and facilities. England made
quick work of Argentina. It was unnecessary for America to become
any more involved than it did.


NO its there to keep the world peace! And its doing a damm
site better job than the US!

Riiiiiiiiight. Inaction and peace-at-all-costs through appeasement
is real peace. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


What about the US????

Nope. We are talking about the UN.
Don't change the subject.


What with the aid, WMD inspectors, peace keepers, human rights laws,
UN POW laws... yeah they dont do much do they?

No they don't. The UN peace keepers are largely AMERICAN troops,
and other NATO troops that can be disbursed by NATO. No UN needed.
The UN POW laws??? Do you mean the Geneva Convention? That
really isn't UN ... And let's say for a minute that it is the UN. Why does
the UN just look at America to follow the Geneva Convention? Why does
it blatently allow Iraq and others to execute and torture prisioners but
when some dirty pictures are taken by National Guardsmen of a dozen
or so Iraqi prisioners, the idiots at the UN call it torture? Hmmm? They
certainly are selective when it comes to enforcing rules. Of course, they
really can't ENFORCE anything, can they? Paper tiger.
And no, the UN doesn't do anything that justifies it's
exhistence. It's much more corrupt than it is helpful. So what happens
when someone like Saddam broke UN law? They passed more laws
and resolutions. A paper tiger without teeth or claws. Useless.

the US has done far far worse than the UN ever will,
when the US falls the world will be safe again.

yeah, right. Keep telling yourself that. You can wallow in
your anti-American ignorance and hatred. But what has been
said about the UN is true. Looks like YOU need to get a grip.
But that would mean you'd have to leave your warm happy little
anti-American fantasy world. That might be too hard a bond for
you to break without some help from a professionally trained person.



[edit on 2/9/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
It's MURDERED millions through the oil for food
thefts and other incompetences and illegal activities.
All those hundreds of millions of $$$ stolen
took food and medicine away from Iraqis who DIED
because of it. The UN NOT doing anything in Rwanda
killed a million more people. The UN NOT doing anything
about the slave trade in Africa has murdered tens of
thousands more and made the lives of tens of thousands
miserable. The UN refugee sex scandal at the camps
has made the lives of tens of thousands miserable ....
Yeah ... the UN saves lives ... riiiiiiiiiiiight. Even a blind pig
can find an acorn once in a while. IF the UN did any good,
it was just by sheer luck because their track record is
incompetance, theft, inaction and death.

You have pointed out the bad things that the people in the UN have done wrong, you cant hold an orginisation responseable for something a person done and might I add the US was involved in it.
How many has america murdered through colateral damage?
Oh that doesnt count does it?


You are joking right? You must be. Hello? The GERMANS tried to
take over the world. They LOST. OF COURSE the allies would look
at everything the enemy had. If Germany lost anything technological
at the end of WWII it was their own damn fault for using that technology
to try to take over the world. If they had used their technology for good,
then the allies wouldn't have defended ourselves.

Exscuse me?
The germans done F all it was hitler and his cronies.
The germans that did help where SS and brain washed , just as you are.


The Germans got a spanking for mass murdering Jews, Catholics, physically and mentally handicapped in the camps, and for invading soverign countries of France, poland, bombing England, etc. America didn't 'STEAL' German technology.
Germany screwed up ... became a world bully ... and THEY lost the
technology when they lost the war that THEY started.

So?
You keep the tech from the germans that might have helped them.


As far as the Falklands goes. America had no need to send troops.
We allowed England to use our air bases as launches during the 'war',
as well as use our other military bases and facilities. England made
quick work of Argentina. It was unnecessary for America to become
any more involved than it did.

Whao there since when did "england" go to war last time i remeber it was the UK.
Firslty the island is UK but was on loan to the US.
You only let us use the base which we co owned.
What other bases would these be?
We did make quick work but the fact is you barely helped, do you deny this?



Riiiiiiiiight. Inaction and peace-at-all-costs through appeasement
is real peace. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Appeasement is a sound stratagy, has there been a world war?
Also do you define peace as action?


Nope. We are talking about the UN.
Don't change the subject.


We are talking about who would fill the gap if the UN was gone you DONT change the subject!


No they don't. The UN peace keepers are largely AMERICAN troops,
and other NATO troops that can be disbursed by NATO.

Actually the UN barely sends any troops any more, check the UN site.
NATO is diffrent its pro war.


No UN needed.
The UN POW laws??? Do you mean the Geneva Convention?

UN started it.


That really isn't UN ... And let's say for a minute that it is the UN. Why does
the UN just look at America to follow the Geneva Convention?

Because you signed it...



Why does
it blatently allow Iraq and others to execute and torture prisioners but
when some dirty pictures are taken by National Guardsmen of a dozen
or so Iraqi prisioners, the idiots at the UN call it torture?

So you want the UN to go in and kill more to stop the iraqi's kill the first group of people?
The US is supposed to be the leader of freedom and democracy isnt it?

Those dirty prisnors where killed , thats really abideing to UN law.


Hmmm? They
certainly are selective when it comes to enforcing rules. Of course, they
really can't ENFORCE anything, can they? Paper tiger.

Would be nice if its security coucil didnt block any move....aye?
Or the fact that many countries are unwilling to send troops to fight someone elses war.


And no, the UN doesn't do anything that justifies it's
exhistence. It's much more corrupt than it is helpful. So what happens
when someone like Saddam broke UN law?

So the mine victums dont deserve this...
www.mineaction.org...
Or the people at the tsunami...
ochaonline.un.org...
Here is all the UN humanitarian efforts, BTW the UN is not a military force its supposed to encorouged non military efforts.


They passed more laws
and resolutions. A paper tiger without teeth or claws. Useless.

Helps if their members dont break thier laws or say they are crap huh?



yeah, right. Keep telling yourself that. You can wallow in
your anti-American ignorance and hatred. But what has been
said about the UN is true. Looks like YOU need to get a grip.
But that would mean you'd have to leave your warm happy little
anti-American fantasy world. That might be too hard a bond for
you to break without some help from a professionally trained person.

Really,iraq
5000 and 10,000 Iraqi non-combatants died in the course of the hi-tech blitzkrieg.
1,000 civilians killed or wounded by cluster munitions.


Meanwhile, 50 strikes on top Iraqi leaders failed to kill any of the intended targets, but instead killed dozens of civilians, the Human Rights Watch report revealed. The U.S. “decapitation” strategy relied on intercepts of senior Iraqi leaders´ satellite phone calls along with corroborating intelligence that proved inadequate. As a result, the U.S. military could only locate targets within a 100-meter radius – clearly inadequate precision in civilian neighborhoods

Yeah really keeping the peace.

Vietnam;
300,000 died in the south and 65,000 in the north of that divided country.


Real better..



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
EU, North America (after we bomb and take over Canada and Mexico for being terrorist states), South America, Africa, well you get the picture.


You people of the American right really want to make friends, don't you?

America tries to do something to Canada and I'll personally take up weapons. I may die in the process, and Canada will probably lose, but I won't stand for American bullyism.



posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by Otts
America tries to do something to Canada and I'll personally take up weapons. I may die in the process, and Canada will probably lose, but I won't stand for American bullyism.


You wouldn't be alone Otts. An attack on Canada would be an attack on Britain, Australia and New Zealand, with plane loads of Europeans in on principle. Not to mention it would never happen, America is not that stupid. The blues states anyway. Interesting scenario actually, I wonder how many Americans would cross the border to defend Canada? I can just see the newspaper headlines during the build up to an attack: "Weapon Caches Trucked North: Border Patrol Struggles To Cope"


[edit on 11-2-2005 by cargo]



posted on Feb, 11 2005 @ 04:52 AM
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DrHoracid ever heard of East Timor ? That is a UN success story a new nation was created.
How many US military personal took part in the peace keeping ?
Try a number between none and Zero.

As for human rights abuses notice how the USA ignores human rights abuses in China?
You see the UN reflects its members including the USA if the UN has become lax on human the USA is in part to blame.




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