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Confused about the plausibility of Conspiracies & in particular David Icke's work.

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posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: BStoltman

Don't be turned off by the naysayers. The reason they ridicule what he talks about is because they are terrified that he might be right.

I encourage you to listen to much more of his material and read his books. Half of the clowns here taking the piss haven't actually listened to this guy. They hear him but they don't listen.




posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: BStoltman
If he is dragging people away from Jesus Christ then he is a one of the End Times Apostasy where there is the falling away from the Christian faith.

If true, then his mission is to drag many followers to hell.

If he is telling the truth then good people will end up going to a better future. If everything is a simulation like he states it is, then the 7 Year Tribulation is set to begin soon. All true Christians will be removed as well as his Matrix Bible states. Either way, the Bible events will happen and no one can stop it.

The problem for him is, if Jesus never happened, how was it stated 2000 years ago, by Jesus himself, that in the end days new religions would appear pulling many sinners away from Jesus ?

It seems that people like Icke are fulfilling prophesy and do not even now it.



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: Rapha
a reply to: BStoltman
If he is dragging people away from Jesus Christ then he is a one of the End Times Apostasy where there is the falling away from the Christian faith.

If true, then his mission is to drag many followers to hell.

If he is telling the truth then good people will end up going to a better future. If everything is a simulation like he states it is, then the 7 Year Tribulation is set to begin soon. All true Christians will be removed as well as his Matrix Bible states. Either way, the Bible events will happen and no one can stop it.

The problem for him is, if Jesus never happened, how was it stated 2000 years ago, by Jesus himself, that in the end days new religions would appear pulling many sinners away from Jesus ?

It seems that people like Icke are fulfilling prophesy and do not even now it.


This is exactly what troubles me the most. I've researched many ancient texts and they all refer to multiple gods. Fallen Angels could explain it and as I get older and learn more, I connect more dots of what was going on back then.

I want to embrace The Lord but there is so much confusion and so much of the Bible erased from history that it's very difficult to know what to believe.

Believe it or not, my Fiance and I were discussing this just a couple of hours ago. Synchronicity I guess.



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: Wide-Eyes

if you want the truth so much you should explore every possible avenue..... but you may not like what you find!

from what i have read into things so far, meditation and confrontation with our higher selves is attainable,

if you want to cheat, ayahuasca would get you there, the journey in is by most accounts terrifying, but with an ending that is illuminating...... sounds good, if only they could make movies like that, i may try that journey myself someday...soon!



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: Davg80

If the time is right, we will know.



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
I think he is a dis-info agent. He included the garbage about shape-shifting reptilians to discredit the very real conspiracy of elitists trying to take control of a world government. Most of what he says is true, added with ridiculousness, to discredit the truth.


I think he is a disinfo agent, too, for that very reason and a few others.

And if that much is true, it might also be true that Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura are also disinfo agents.

I say that because of this episode of Jesse Ventura's show 'Conspiracy Theory' -- featuring David Icke AND Alex Jones - which plays precisely into your theory: Reptilian

If you haven't seen it, try to find someplace to watch it. I think it's revealing.

During the episode, Jesse Ventura's son and another disinfo agent's son -- Oliver Stone's son -- are interviewing this person and suddenly this CGI crap that makes it look like the person's eyes shapeshifted into 'reptilian slit eyes' was thrown in.

It was clearly CGI and not real.

Why on earth would Jesse Ventura, and his son, and Oliver Stone's son all participate in that trickery...they were feeding into the Reptilian shapeshifter stuff with obvious CGI, while trying to make it seem like they were skeptics.

And David Icke and Alex Jones were also featured in the episode butting heads on the Reptilian theory.

It's a telling episode, IMO. If you think Icke might be a disinfo agent...if Icke is a disinfo agent, I'd bet money that Alex Jones is, and Jesse Ventura, and Oliver Stone...and both of their sons....

...like a secret family business.






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ETA: Go to 20:54 in the video, here, at the Daily Motion, and see if you can tell me with a straight face that it is legit. (Not necessarily aimed at you TruM. Anyone!!!)

Link to DailyMotion


I think that episode pretty much single-handedly proves that David Icke, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura, his son, Oliver Stone, and his son are all propagandists. Well funded...and well orchestrated.


edit on 7/8/2017 by MotherMayEye because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 08:05 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Maybe Sean Stone, Jones and Icke were being played? I watched the segment you talked about and I notice that Stone says he didn't see the shape-changing... I'll have to watch it all tho.

As for the reptilians' ability to shape-shift, let's not forget old tales say dragons could hypnotize pretty easily. Now if dragons and reptilians are the same, let's say humanoid ones, maybe hypnosis could allow for the impression of shape-shifting?

Old tales tell also there was a mix of blood between that specie and us. That would explain why they look human today, while not quite being ones, as seen by the type of leadership we are historically always subjugated too.

About Sean Stone, I read elsewhere that he tried at some time to let it be known he had been witness, in Hollywood, to some of the horrors we hear about in CT circles. If that is true, that show could have been used to discredit him, among other things, so people would not listen to what he has to say anymore.
Casting doubts IS a spell most effective, almost as bad as a guilty verdict.



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: NowanKenubi

Oh. Interesting response.

I wasn't hypnotized though. It was a crappy special effect. Super crappy even.



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Haha I agree that what was shown in the show was not real.

I was talking of before, trying to make sense of it all and finding a rational answer based on what we (think) we know.

What remains of the past is perplexing. But it led to today, even if part of it is hidden or suppressed.



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 09:05 PM
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a reply to: NowanKenubi

It doesn't change the fact that all of the above mentioned people participated, in some way, to create an episode of 'Jesse Ventura: Conspiracy Theory' on the topic of "Reptilians," which relied on fabricated evidence - CGI.

I think it discredits a lot of interesting people, in one fell swoop.

Jmo



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

I'll have time to watch it all tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see them out of their usual way of communicating. I'll be able to comment more about it then. Thanks for the link to it, btw.



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 11:32 PM
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originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: BStoltman

Don't be turned off by the naysayers. The reason they ridicule what he talks about is because they are terrified that he might be right.

I encourage you to listen to much more of his material and read his books. Half of the clowns here taking the piss haven't actually listened to this guy. They hear him but they don't listen.


A lot of what he said long ago has been proven right. He has been ridiculed from day one but keeps going. I've got a feeling that some of the stuff that people laugh at is deliberately put there so he doesn't meet with a nasty "accident".

It could also be a case of sorting out the wheat from the chaff between those who are really interested in what's happening in the world and those who just want to look cool on the internet.

Do i believe in reptilians? Not really no. Does that automatically discredit everything else he says?
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Its much easier to laugh than think.



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 11:35 PM
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originally posted by: Tulpa
A lot of what he said long ago has been proven right.


Without wishing to sound combative, I don't believe this at all. Can you cite any examples?



posted on Jul, 9 2017 @ 12:00 AM
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a reply to: audubon

Haven't listened to him for a while but Jimmy Saville (he wasn't the only one to bring up Saville, I know), PNAC, Soros and the meddling he does for "altruistic" reasons. Social engineering, more like.
Banking in general. A few American plans such as UN being a front for a world power. Weapons of mass destruction and the Bush/Blair dynamic.
Kalergi-Coudenhove.

A lot of general stuff that I would have been unaware of.

Mind you, I remember sitting and watching him on Wogan "live" and thinking ????? What.....

I don't know if you read his AMA on here or not but he did a lot better than some I could, but won't, mention.

I'm not trying to say you should listen to him if you don't want to but I've been listening to him off and on for a long time and he's turned a lot of people away from celebrity worshipping, trust the govt type thinking.

People have been and gone, so called conspiracy theorists, even on this very site but Ickes still plodding along.



posted on Jul, 9 2017 @ 12:01 AM
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a reply to: CovertAgenda

Covert, I shared the details you comment on, only for the reason to drive out the confusion which would arise if I did not do so. You understand I mention that I have read Icke and then mention how sad it is that people but his jokes and do good pocket. I just had ti make clear that I WAS NOT one of this people, because of the possible confusion that would arise from the misconceptions that I say nasty things pointing at group of people which I am into, ad well. Beg me pardon, but I pirate a lot, it's my personal decision to do so. Meanwhile I support creative artists in all fields not only music. But the creative one, who do it with passion and love, not for the money. Considering the musical content, I am into underground thrash metal, which is a bit different than love and and martinis. Again personal choice. Icke is another beer, he is a clown, disgrace for all good writing done in the conspiracy field. I was introduced into top secret agendas exactly by a good book, some twenty years ago, when this book was forbidden in US, that's why I know how important is to have good info out there not crap. And crap like Icke are good for nothing. So as long he's out there spoiling the good intention of other conspiracy revealers with his opera theatro, I'll be here sharing my critics to all who come and ask like the OP did.



posted on Jul, 9 2017 @ 02:19 AM
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David Icke is not a dis-info agent, he's just not as clever as he thinks he is. He doesn't understand the source material, because he has not put himself in the shoes of those who originated it.

There's no other way to get into this without offending someone. Reptilians are historically factual humanoids.. from the perspective of tribal people who had never seen races from other continents before..

Imagine living in isolated Africa, and seeing a pale skinned long faced Asian with sharpened teeth for the first time.. You wouldn't know what else to call them. Same with the temple builders. The locals asked if they were from the sky, apparently a natural assumption based on their folk lore, and the Aryans/Nordics said "Sure! We are angels, yeah, that's the ticket!"

I dont WANT to tell everyone that the "fallen angels" of the Bible were just Caucasian visitors, because it asks too many questions, such as, ARE white people fallen angels? And "You mean Moses wasn't white?", but all evidence points towards traveling foreigners fulfilling almost all of the mysterious roles of suprahumans in ancient texts.



posted on Jul, 9 2017 @ 03:33 AM
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originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
This is exactly what troubles me the most. I've researched many ancient texts and they all refer to multiple gods. Fallen Angels could explain it and as I get older and learn more, I connect more dots of what was going on back then.

I want to embrace The Lord but there is so much confusion and so much of the Bible erased from history that it's very difficult to know what to believe.

The fallen gods will soon show themselves which is why the pope wants to baptize them (aliens). Demons (aliens) go hand in hand with the Vatican.

Confusion is a common attack from the fallen ones. Faith in Jesus stops that confusion instantly. Then everything falls into place once trust in Jesus occurs. This Faith allows Him to seal your soul with His spirit. Then it does not matter what confusing lies little Lucifuhrer throws at you because that seal from God is unbreakable.

Lucifer got his goons to erase information because the truth is dangerous to his mission. Crumbs, even the Vatican once stated that peasants are too low-life to be allowed to read the scriptures. Hence the Church has rigged what the peasants are taught. They practically had 1 millennium after Christ rose from the tomb, to rig the facts with half truths and complete lies in their Bible first edition.

The Vatican failed to erase the Gospel of Christ from the Bible located in 1 Corinthians 15 1-4. Faith, belief and trust in those 4 simple lines will save every sinning soul that reads them.

Remember, God wants children (who can read), to be saved as well. So naturally He would make salvation easy to understand, no matter how old the child / teenager / adult is.

Follow you heart as it is the best judge of all. The heart will always tell you what to believe.
1) If this is all real, then Jesus is set to remove His followers from this world soon.
2) If its a simulation then statement (1) is programmed to happen anyway.

Either way, Jesus (Matrix or not) is about to take people who have faith in His Blood Atonement away from this evil world.


Synchronicity

I believe its more like God giving little hints to His people at the same time because He has already activated the green light for demons to begin their 7 Year Rule (Tribulation) during the fall of 2017.



posted on Jul, 9 2017 @ 05:16 AM
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originally posted by: Tulpa

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: BStoltman

Don't be turned off by the naysayers. The reason they ridicule what he talks about is because they are terrified that he might be right.

I encourage you to listen to much more of his material and read his books. Half of the clowns here taking the piss haven't actually listened to this guy. They hear him but they don't listen.


A lot of what he said long ago has been proven right. He has been ridiculed from day one but keeps going. I've got a feeling that some of the stuff that people laugh at is deliberately put there so he doesn't meet with a nasty "accident".

It could also be a case of sorting out the wheat from the chaff between those who are really interested in what's happening in the world and those who just want to look cool on the internet.

Do i believe in reptilians? Not really no. Does that automatically discredit everything else he says?
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Its much easier to laugh than think.


That's pretty much how I feel about him. I've listened to countless hours of his material and he seriously speaks a hell of a lot of truth. He hardly ever mentions Reptiles either.



posted on Jul, 9 2017 @ 07:47 AM
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about that shape shifting topic:

let's not forget that on the other side of the lake, in the usa, bigelow and some scientists take this topic serious at the skinwalker ranch.

skinwalker, according to the natives, is a being that can change its form.



posted on Jul, 9 2017 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: Wide-Eyes

I think he gets a lot of undeserved flack. The poster above was right, though, he is sometimes wrong. He has remained quite a down to earth guy and opens people up to the idea that the world is not all it seems and maybe we should question more of those allegedly in authority.
You should expect criticism on here, though.
For a conspiracy theory site, people sure seem to despise other conspiracy theorists.



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