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posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 11:06 AM
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originally posted by: John4564
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5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

We can easily imagine a strong and powerful beam of light, called the 'river', coming from the throne of God above in space down to the center of the City. This beam is a cohered plasma field providing the necessary power to turn on every device in the City to meet the citizens needs. The sun is no more the source of life in this New Jerusalem since this mothership replaces it. Around this 'river' flowing down from space, stands a huge building, called the 'tree of life', to transform this beam into a useful power source to feed all the houses and the public areas.
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All of this above is confirmed by these verses in Rev 21:


23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.

24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.


Nations and kings here must be understood as various cultures, countries and their deserving leaders from all over the world, among the Great Multitude.

Let's talk about a little verse in the last chapter of John's book:


10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.


Compare it to this one in the last chapter of Daniel's book:


4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”


Why did Christ, who used the same words, give John and Daniel two opposed orders? What is the difference between the two of them? The answer is simple:

THE FIRST COMING! (those of Christ's ministry two millennia ago).

And to John he also asked to:


11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”


Isn't this verse showing how unuseful are the today's Christian preachers?
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posted on Jul, 20 2017 @ 12:03 PM
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In Revelation 4 we find this verse:


4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.


Who are those 24 elders?

To better answer this question we need to read further and to find this:


In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back.

7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle.


We already saw that these four living creatures were the astrological signs of the four members of the holy family (George = lion/leo; Charlotte = ox/taurus; new Catherine = man/water bearer; new William = eagle/sagittarius.

I too said that these four living creatures, of godly nature close to the throne of God, are also named 'beasts' in the KJV, name that proves that this word 'beast' ONLY refers to a symbolical animal used as an identifying symbol for those involved, like for the dragon related to the first beast (British monarchy) of the Book of Revelation, or the three first beasts of Daniel 7 (lion, bear and leopard for the Plantagenet, Tudor and Stuart dynasties), or the two dragons with two horns of the second beast (City of London / mysterious Babylon).

Beast doesn't mean evil but identifying symbol.

It is ONLY when Satan is linked to the British monarchy as the 8th KING (or the 11th / little horn in Dan 7) that the beast BECOMES evil.

Let's get back to the 24 elders.

They simply are the 24 constellations of Jesus' time.


Then there is a question of the definition of the zodiac itself. In a quick survey through about ten basic astronomy texts, the definition given was either 8° or 9° on either side of the ecliptic. To be on the conservative side, Table #2 lists those constellations that come within 8° of the ecliptic. (Venus is the only naked eye planet that reaches more than 8° away from the ecliptic. ) You can quickly see that there are not 12 constellations of the zodiac but 24.


Astronomical Constellations of the Zodiac:

Aquarius, Cetus, Libra, Scorpius, Aries, Corvus, Ophiuchus, Scutum, Auriga, Crater, Orion, Serpens, Cancer, Gemini ,Pegasus, Sextans, Canis Minor, Hydra, Pisces, Taurus, Capricornus, Leo, Sagittarius, Virgo.

Reprinted from the Planetarian, Vol 6, #1, Spring 1977. Copyright 1977 International Planetarium Society.




posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 02:41 AM
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This case of the nature of the four living creatures is the same than the nature of the beasts. There are heavy prejudices and preconceptions, preventing researchers to see the plain and simple truth.

Most of the websites, including wikipedia, state that the lion, the ox, the man and the eagle are respectively Leo, Taurus, Water Bearer (Aquarius) and Scorpius for the simple reason that they both form a grand cross alignment,... four directions, four seasons, four elements, four evangelists (Matthew, Luke, Mark and John), etc.

This tendency to search for 'symbolical symbols', to finally give weight to one's own beliefs and convictions (mere wishful thinking), makes people forget the most important thing: DISCOVER THE PROPHECY ITSELF, that is to say WHAT ARE THE FUTURE EVENTS AND FIGURES! What this excess of symbolism forbids to discover.

This tendency contradicts Christ's words themselves for these 'symbolical symbols' have no meaning in terms of prediction, especially when the context of these four living creatures is a...UFO.

Why do people equal flying Eagle to Scorpius when these constellations are not even close (no common sector) to each other?

What is close to Eagle is Sagittarius!

When clicking to this sentence above you will see on the left side of the graph the constellations around the ecliptic. The Eagle is AQUILA (Eagle in Latin). Aquila is at the exact same location than Sagittarius, just above! While Scorpius is on the right side of Sagittarius, clearly NOT in the same period of the year. What is above Scorpius is Ophiuchus. We could even say that Aquila / Eagle is closer to Capricornus than Scorpius.

So, the point is that having Sagittarius (Eagle) instead of Scorpius suddenly destroys big walls of beliefs systems.

It is so irritating that this 'inconsistency', in the eyes of those believers, would become just a 'detail', not that important, while maintaining that Eagle equals Scorpius (like maintaining that beast equals evil). Too bad! Just to defend their beliefs they will condemn themselves because of their pride...which is a FATAL SIN. Remember Rev 22:


18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.

19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.


So, if there is no perfect grand cross alignment (Leo / Taurus / Aquarius / Scorpius), there is no pure 'symbolical symbols' but FOUR TRUE LIVING PEOPLE WITH SUCH ZODIACAL SIGNS! That is to say LEO, TAURUS, AQUARIUS and SAGITTARIUS. And this changes everything for all the beliefs systems have to be abandonned. You don't see yet all the outcomes of such a fact. One must go step by step to figure out what this simple news means...extremely narrowing the possible interpretations.

These astrological signs must fit those involved REAL people...which is perfectly the case in the interpretation of this thread (new George, Charlotte, William and Kate), totally respecting the least detail of the prophecies of ALL THE PROPHETIC BOOKS of the Bible, without exception.

This would be too stupid to die forever for having defended a wrong interpretation. Better safe than sorry. Adopt the perfect interpretation right now!


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posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 03:45 AM
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Hi John4564,
I just want to tell you that I'm very impressed with your end time scenario presentation. I've been exposed to many so far and yours is probably the one that has the higher righteousness in it.
I got also a lot of new info and insights and I think you're pretty right on quite a lot of things.

I have a question for you: do you have a role inside this end time scenario you described here? And are you happy with that role?



posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 04:54 AM
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originally posted by: Paul1214
Hi John4564,
I just want to tell you that I'm very impressed with your end time scenario presentation. I've been exposed to many so far and yours is probably the one that has the higher righteousness in it.
I got also a lot of new info and insights and I think you're pretty right on quite a lot of things.

I have a question for you: do you have a role inside this end time scenario you described here? And are you happy with that role?



I do thank you, Paul1214, for your praises. But I must confess that the heaven helped me a lot to understand key figures and timings...being myself indeed directly involved.

My role suits me for many reasons. I am the Eagle...and will be who you know now it will be. Said like that, it seems pretty proud. But, from my point of view, this is both a benediction and an heavy burden. It's not easy to psychologically accept this destiny and its deeds.

I wouldn't blame those insulting me, calling me names, or thinking I am crazy. How can it be possible to admit such a scenario, far from so many dogmas, and shared in a forum among thousands. I would certainly be insane in the eyes of many. But who knows how God decides to make his decisions known for the world to understand, at last, Christ's prophecies? What matters to me is that I will be the role itself, not myself...for it takes to die first, from body and soul.

This death is very near now, a matter of days, or even hours. Many intels provided by the heaven, but all very cryptic. What I am sure about is that the fourth Prince George's birthday is a big turning point for the Orleans UFO event to take place (rapture of the two peoples for the soul switch of William and Kate). How many hours and/or days from it is the question. I have clues, of course.



PS: I am honored that you wrote your first post to me. I would be pleased and delighted if you would share your infos and insights. Thanks in advance!
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posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 07:23 AM
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a reply to: John4564

Thank you John4564.
So, let me see if I understood correctly.

You're the Eagle, so are you a Sagittarius, born on 10th of December? And then you will switch soon your soul to be inside William's body?
Knowing that you also gave the date of birth of the "new" Kate, the original one being a Capricorn, and the walk in being an Aquarius born on 3 February, you should already know also who is going to be the Water Bearer then...aka Kate after the walk in process, or the second witness. Is she a woman?
22 July 2017 is indeed a very important date, being on the cusp between Cancer (the actual sign of current George-and also his father William) and Leo. This year also North Node entered Leo and be staying there for 18 months. August will be a crucial month indeed, expecially the cusp between Leo and Virgo, being anticipated by the great solar eclipse in the USA.

Last year there was a crucial event taking place just after the cusp. On the 24th of August a big quake hit Italy, not far from Rome. This earthquake was clearly a warning, speaking with symbolic language, expecially regarding the destiny of Rome. Many islamic and hebrew prophecies (and catholic too) speaks about the destruction of Rome. The main towns being hit were Amatrice and Accumoli. Amatrice, in italian could speaks out something like whore, or the "woman who loves". Accumoli sounds like "accumulation" , referring to accumulate wealth and material resources. It's easy to connect this to the sins of the whore of Babylon.
On the same day, on the other side of the world, another earthquake hit Myanmar, in a place called Bagan. Formerly know as PAGAN empire.
A lot of buddhist temples are there, some of them seriously damaged. Nowadays are not used for worship but mainly as touristic attraction.



posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: Paul1214

Thanks Paul1214 for your precious explanations. Very insightful. Regarding George's astrological sign, it's a Cancer from the London perspective where he was physically born. But, at that moment, he was symbolically born as the King of the world, i.e. starting in New Zealand where the sign, at the hour of his birth (16:24 London time), was Leo, even the very first hour of Leo.

It's interesting to learn that the North Node entered Leo to stay still 18 months for it is the duration of the three first horsemen periods (white, red and black), when the positive influence of Christ prevails, before the pale horseman, that is to say the WWIII with William for 22 months.

Remember that I said that the Orleans UFO event is related to private prophecies. I talked about the sentence I heard:

Christ comes the 5th!

This 5th could be the 5th day of the week, a FRIDAY! Maybe today.

Your explanation about the cusp of Cancer / Leo, and the parallel with the Italian earthquake last year, are very insightful. Wait for something big in the news around the 25th related to what I speak about in this thread.

To clear up the Eagle, I confirm what you're asking. And I know the 2nd Witness who is a woman, indeed. Bravo for your memory!




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posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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Thanks for your answers.

With your fractal calculation of dividing 1000 by half seven times, starting from 7 April 33, we get exactly 22 August 2017, that's on the cusp Leo-Virgo.

Are you John of Patmos?
Because Patmos is closely connected to Sagittarius...being the original story of its birth about Artemis, aka Sagittarius.



The myth tells how Patmos existed as an island at the bottom of the sea.[citation needed] Artemis frequently paid visits to Caria, the mainland across the shore from Patmos, where she had a shrine on Mount Latmos. There she met the moon goddess Selene, who cast her light on the ocean, revealing the sunken island of Patmos.[citation needed]
Selene was always trying to get Artemis to bring the sunken island to the surface and hence to life. Selene finally convinced Artemis, who, in turn, gained her brother Apollo's help to persuade Zeus to allow the island to arise from the sea.[citation needed]
Zeus agreed, and the island emerged from the water. The sun dried up the land and brought life to it. Gradually, inhabitants from the surrounding areas, including Mount Latmos, settled on the island and named it "Letois" in honour of Artemis.[8]



posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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I do thank you to make the effort to compute the 7 fractal periods of the 7 churches. You nailed it! I can't confirm nor deny that I was John of Patmos. You just need to know that I was one of Christ's disciples. But it is not really important right now. What comes seems to me far more meaningful. But when I first read the Book of Revelation it was so easy to me to decode it that it was strange, indeed, even today.



posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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Speaking both of the coming Orleans UFO event and the four living creatures of Rev 4 and Eze 1, it happens that they are but the very same event since Rev 4 and Rev 5 are the two chapters dedicated to the future in heaven just before the start of the endtimes (starting with the return of Christ = White Horseman period) with the return from space of the new William, Kate, George and Charlotte, coming after this Orleans UFO event.

Since Rev 4 and Eze 1 are very close in term of description, the best UFO case of the Bible (Eze 1) is...STILL TO COME!


4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal,


Remember that the word 'north' here means 'heaven' (see Zachariah 6), especially because there is no direction in visions. The counterpart of this verse above in the Book of Revelation is this verse Rev 4:5:


5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder.


Quite telling, isn't it? The first chapter of the Book of Ezekiel goes on with this:


5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was human,


So, four human living creatures are in this alien spaceship that Ezekiel sees. How are they described? Let me divide Ezekiel 1 and Rev 4 to better see what John and Ezekiel really see:

1) description of the four human living creatures.

2) description of the four scout ships they are in.

3) description of the throne of God.

If you try to comprehend all of this without the key you're lost very fast, especially if you use just symbols (search for the meaning of Ezekiel 1 on google and you will be very confused and disappointed). This is a real description. Far too many complex details to be just symbols. Add the details of Revelation 4:


In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back.

7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle.


Ezekiel 1 says:



7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze.

10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle.


The difference between John and Ezekiel is that in the first case each living creature was like a given beast (his / her astrological sign), while in the second case EACH of them has both the four astrological signs. How is that possible?

The explanation is simple. A vision is made of real aspects mixed with symbolical aspects. In Ezekiel 1, the four living creatures form a family, as ONE, even TECHNICALLY SPEAKING WITH THE BEAMS! (see below)

How do we know that the rest is not symbolical too? For the simple reason that, unlike the four astrological signs (echoing the 24 elders / constellations, symbolically bowing before the throne of God, God being in the spiritual realm above the material stars), the descriptions involve technical means.

They wear a special suit making them looking like with straight legs and feet like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze (Eze 1:7).

This is even confirmed by Rev 4:6: they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. These two eyes are each just semi-spherical windows above and below four scout ships these creatures pilot.

Note that this kind of vision goes through the matter and one can see both the interior and the exterior of a ship.

So, these eyes are what they LOOK LIKE! Something through which one can see...like WINDOWS. Even numerous windows (Rev 4:8):


8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings.


We know that the eyes are windows of a spaceship. They are ALL AROUND, not just coming by two, even of in front and in back. If these eyes are EVEN UNDER its wings, WHAT ARE THE WINGS?

They are TRUNCATED BEAMS of cohered light linking the four scout ships, one for each living creature, to move altogether in the same time.

Have you ever heard about UFO looking like triangles formations of lights? These lights, without being apparently linked, move exactly the same way, at the same speed, in the same time. Here we have four scout ships with wings linking them. But, as Ezekiel and John are in the spiritual realm in their visions, they see these wings that physical witnesses couldn't see.

Here we must imagine a square the four lines of which are the merged beams from the ships (they touch each other), while the latter are the angles of that square. The two other beams are spreading above (or below).

But why does Ezekiel (Eze 1:6 below) see four wings instead of six for John?


6 but each of them had four faces and four wings.


The difference comes from the ships configurations. In John's case, the four ships are ungrouped. They stay at rest. In Ezekiel's case, the four ships are grouped and moving, hence a longer chapter for this topic. This means that some beams are merged and some are apparently missing, four beams make only two sides.

Ezekiel 1 continues with:


8 Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings,

9 and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.
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11 Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward, each wing touching that of the creature on either side; and each had two other wings covering its body.


The four sides are the four lines that the merged wings make between the ships. We clearly see that the truncated beams are linked two by two and that they remain straight, even when flying the grouped four ships as one (each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved).

So, under these four merged wings are 'human hands'. And here comes the complexity for Ezekiel sees through the small ships. The human hands are really human. These are the gloves of the four living creatures piloting their grouped scout ships thanks to internal devices made of light touching a command screen (screen called the 'face' for each of the four living creatures).

We do not learn more with John in Rev 4 except about the 24 elders falling down before him who sits on the throne...and the four living creatures giving glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne.

Ezekiel doesn't speak about the 24 elders because, unlike John for whose everything seems at rest, Ezekiel was impressed by the flying lesson of alien ships. John, on the contrary, watches the entire scene with the throne of God, surrounded by the four living creatures in their own ship, surrounded by the show of the universe of the 24 constellations around them, that is to say the deep space in the solar system.

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posted on Jul, 21 2017 @ 02:17 PM
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So, to sum up the first part of Ezekiel 1, we have a throne of God - a mothership - below which fly four scout ships, linked with truncated beams like a square, inside which are four living creatures, seen as being ONE with these strong force fields rays acting like a tractor beam, piloting these machines in a dematerialized state as if there was only one ship instead of four (like in the entanglement phenomena).

Let's continue the description:


11 Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward, each wing touching that of the creature on either side; and each had two other wings covering its body.


These last wings are two other beams INSIDE EACH SHIP, unlike the wings spreading out upward, in which each of the four living creatures is bathing. These beams are on the same frequency than those linking the ships altogether to pilot this group of four ships as one ship with one pilot with a unique mind. This common frequency is like a carrier frequency of the mind frequencies.


12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went.


Ezekiel sees the effect of the mind control on the ships by these human pilots of ET ships. The spirit of the four living creatures, as one, controls and commands the ships, as one too, through the focus of their minds.


13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it.

14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.


Ezekiel focuses a little bit more on the punctual powerful energy of the minds circulating, like the electricity in the brain, between the four living creatures as flashes of lightning when concentrating on flying the 'birds'.


15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces.

16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.


After having focused his attention on the people in the ships, Ezekiel, who can adapt his sight, better looks at the ships themselves. The ships are on the ground because the creatures are in the upper cabin (so the ship is below them). In addition, each ship is said to be beside each creature because there is necessary a ship on one side of the structure made of four ships.

These ships are the same: very luminous and transparent, especially in a dematerialized state, and being like two wheels, one in another one.

This intersecting configuration is quite simple to understand. There are two kinds of wheels. The first one is the ship of each creature. The second wheel, much larger, is the circle linking these four ships, as if four planets were in the same orbit. So, each personal wheel / ship intersects the global wheel / four ships structure...made of the grouped truncated beams.

I said that it was like a SQUARE, NOT A CIRCLE, didn't I? Yes, I did.

But I said that BEFORE the four living creatures started to 'fire the engines', that is to say before moving their ships as one. In other words, the energy of their mind 'bended' these tractor beams into a large circle! That is not squaring the circle, but circling the square!

What Ezekiel sees has changed because of the use of the mind control, which was not the case yet in the first verses.


17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went.


Here we see that the alien ships, or rather the whole structure, move only according to the pilots' minds, the direction the pilots face, and only that direction, all as one.


18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.


This clearly speaks about the windows around the circular ships, at the rim.


19 When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose.

20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

21 When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.


These last verses give us a new information: the body of the four living creatures can also move with their minds only, without any muscular mouvement. In that specific case, the ships follow them the same way...as if there was no difference between their bodies and their ships. The way to float in space, or to move away, is the same: the whole matter and spirit are but one, on the same frequency, or rather on different frequencies of the same harmonics (the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels).


22 Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked something like a vault, sparkling like crystal, and awesome.

23 Under the vault their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body. 24 When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty, like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.


Here Ezekiel speaks about the docking of the four alien ships onto the mothership above them (after they enjoyed the 'close flight'), where the vault is the dock, once the four living creatures oriented their beams to the dock, and separated from each other (their wings were stretched out one toward the other). This beams separation (previously forming a four ships structure) makes a lot of noise. Then these beams are lowered once the ships are stopped.

To be continued...if available...
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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 03:27 AM
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To sum up the chapters (Rev 4 / Eze 1) describing the IMPENDING 'future in heaven':

1) the living creatures are real human beings (the coming NEW William, Kate, George and Charlotte) once raptured in heaven in the coming days, and before coming back to earth (certainly in August 2017) to start the endtimes period;

2) they are merged with their own discoidal ship also called 'wheels' for their spirits are in the 'wheels';

3) to stay grouped, they use 2 OUTER truncated beams, called 'wings', to form a square with the four ships, each ship having two ships on its sides;

4) to pilot these grouped ships, they use 2 INNER truncated beams, also called 'wings', in which they bathe, serving as carrier frequency to propagate, through the outer beams, their mind frequencies, i.e. the commands of their trajectory while using a technical glove.

5) after a flight in close formation, these four living creatures separately dock their ships onto the mothership, once degrouped (action making a big noise), and lower their beams ('wings').


So, while John quickly describes four separated discoid ships at rest in Revelation 4 ('wheels' in Eze1), enabling him to identify the astrological sign of each of the four living creatures settled inside (Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and Sagittarius), standing below and around a mothership - the throne of God - and surrounded by the 24 constellations seen from the solar system,...

...Ezekiel provides us with an animated scene starting with the description of a structure made of four ships tied altogether with their own truncated beams of cohered light, like tractor beams then touching each other by two, inside which are four human living creatures having each the four astrological signs of the group (Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and Sagittarius).

This difference (individual signs vs grouped signs) comes from the ships configuration (separated vs grouped) showing these four creatures as one family, one entity, but also as one bigger ship made of four parts (4 small wheels intersecting a larger wheel).

Just a break. Speaking about the four astrological signs, John explains in Rev 5:


5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”


One of the elders is necessarily one of the 24 constellations...which can only be LEO, the sign of the King of the World (Prince George)! Another way to confirm the sign of Christ! Now back to Ezekiel 1.

Ezekiel then shows us the appearance and the process of the grouped ships flight, like the cases of grouped triangular lights flying in silence in some UFO sightings (sometimes there are other configurations with more lights flying as one).

We then learn that the ships, as one, are piloted thanks to the living creatures' minds (also called 'spirits'). In addition, in that state of harmony with their ships (matter and mind vibrating with harmonics), the pilots can also move their bodies with their minds, while the ships do the exact same movements.

When the flight in close formation is finished, the four ships / four creatures separate from each other, streching out their beams to dock onto the mothership (throne of God), the docking room being called the 'vault'.



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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 03:54 AM
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Let's finish Ezekiel 1 where we see that above the docking room lies the throne of God:


25 Then there came a voice from above the vault over their heads as they stood with lowered wings.

26 Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man.


Once docked with their lowered wings (beams), the four living creatures are called by a voice above. On the throne, Ezekiel sees a 'man'. Carefully read the next verse:


27 I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him.

28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking.


Does it ring a bell to you? Of course, the verse Eze 1:4 says:


4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal,


The same way John and Ezekiel merge the description of the four ships and their pilots, the four living creatures, for the spirits of the latter are in the 'wheels' (ships) due to the ships control with their minds, the same way Ezekiel merges the Lord and his mothership (we'd rather say 'fathership').

What matters here is that there are slight differences between THE FIGURE ITSELF (glowing metal, fire) and what surrounds it (flashing lightning, brilliant light, rainbow / radiance), that is to say THE SHIP ITSELF. Note that what is called the 'throne' is actually what LOOKS LIKE a throne of lapis lazuli (blue stones).

In Rev 4 we find:


2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.

3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne.


Here, we also have two descriptions: one for the Lord, the other for his mothership.

Instead of a glowing metal and a fire, we have jasper and ruby for the Lord. But jasper and ruby are both red, and so is the fire. When combined with a 'glowing metal', the fire may indeed looks like jasper and ruby.

The mothership is what encircles the throne. Both John and Ezekiel speak about a rainbow. John doesn't give more details (except the common 'flashes of lightning'),...


5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder.


while Ezekiel provides us with some characteristics: flashing lightning, brilliant light, rainbow / radiance!

But be careful for there is a trap. John calls the 'throne' what is the place where the Lord sits, but ALSO where numerous figures stand!

So, anyway, what most of the UFO researchers saw as the proof for the throne of God to be an alien spaceship - THE GLOWING METAL - is actually the main characteristic of the LORD HIMSELF (maybe an armor from his waist up, i.e. on his chest).

BUT what makes the 'throne of God' an alien spaceship is, on the contrary, everything related to the LIGHT, including A RAINBOW AS A CIRCLE, that is to say numerous colors on the rim of the spaceship, exactly what the UFO witnesses claim these ships to look like, along with the flashes, the brilliant light, the radiance, etc.

Above all, what characterizes the 'throne of God' as an alien spaceship is the IMMENSE CLOUD in Ezekiel 1:4, that I explained being the case in 73 verses in the whole Bible where these paranormal 'clouds' behave like our modern UFO (stay still for hours and days, go up and down, take people, follow troops and crowds, heal, have a voice, reduce size, etc):


4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal,


No surprise then to read Ezekiel 1:28:


Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.


Does it means that materialized spaceships don't exist? NO! I already explained the process in this thread (reduction of the time flow of the ship).

It means that UFO researchers CAN NOT use Ezekiel 1 to say that the mothership of God is made of metal. Just a matter of truth and honesty. Maybe it is the case. MAYBE NOT.

The main consequence is that the throne of God is certainly NOT prone to appear because of human nuclear attacks (it doesn't unwishfully materialize).


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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 05:16 AM
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Since nothing is given for free in the biblical prophecies, we can easily understand Rev 9:9 (War of Armageddon with the four living creatures / four angels in their ships after they have been taken to heaven for the 6th and 7th seals):


9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle.


See Ezekiel 1:23:


24 When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty, like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.


The wings - the truncated beams of the alien spaceships - in Rev 9, also describing the British royal coat of Arms with its breastplate (red, blue and yellow) and the heads of horses / heads of lions, have the same effect than those in Ezekiel 1, and are NOT wings of a coat of Arms or any beast.

These truncated beams of cohered light make a big noise because of the separation of the flight formation of the four living creatures...perfectly announced in both Rev 9 and Eze 1, while the horses and the chariots in Rev 9:9 also confirms their direct link with the four horsemen of Rev 6 (white, red, black and pale) and the four chariots / horses of Zech 6 (white, red, black and dappled)!

Two very different contexts (peaceful training in Eze 1 (start of the endtimes) VS war situation in Rev 9 (end of the endtimes)), but same causes triggering the same effects! (dissociation of the ships by the separation of the truncated beams to dock the mothership VS to attack the earth separately like a flying squadron would do).

Difficult to be clearer.

When perfectly connecting the dots, one can only reach the same conclusion. All is extremely logical and real...and extraterrestrial!

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posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 06:57 AM
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Are you still here with us, John? Any Ufo event yet?

Have you already had hints about how your soul switch would work? I mean, will you be able to retain part of your current existence/memory when in the body of William? I know of course this also depend on your actual level of enlightment and awareness of your higher bodies other than physical and personality. Or do you just think that at some point you just happen to be Prince William and you feel like you're guided by some higher forces to act in a inspired yet fated way?



posted on Jul, 22 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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Hello Paul1214,

Yes, I am still here. I have clues about the departure date but they are cryptic enough to mean different solutions. I don't worry about that for the time being since the time window is large enough until september 2017. This will certainly be a surprise as showed in visions. But I do feel that it is very near now.

First, for the departure I will be conscious. Years before studying the Bible and its prophecies, I saw myself in the future, in a dim light room of a spaceship, looking, through a small window, at the earth becoming smaller and smaller with the increasing speed outbound to space, with the weird sensation of not knowing if I will return one day.

The soul switch, according to visions, will be like a sleep at the end of which I will have a new body, new memories, new sensations, new knowledge and new very unusual skills. So, my brain will be full of new stuff, far more than I could ever hope in any human life.

I will visit my old body still in the ship to tell it goodbye, while my old memories will stay for a while. But being useless, I will forget them quite fast to be more efficient in the coming mission. It will be like any incarnation when the past lives don't matter anymore, except when past big traumas still bother people, which is not my case.

The transition period between the old and the new personality will be soft and lived in very good living conditions. I already know that my temporary room in the mothership will be dark blue for I like this color. But the mothership is really huge, white inside and very luminous.

As you see, I will be both 'William' and myself, and even far beyond, focused on the mission, and knowing where I will live on earth. By the way, I have already met the present William in dream state. Fortunately for him and Kate, even if a little bit troubled deep inside, they will be very happy, not living the endtimes period.

The most important thing is that my benevolent ET contacts will be very frequent with a technical means to help these contacts. One could speak about 'inspiration', indeed.


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posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 02:25 AM
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Thanks to the Scriptures and history, I proved in this thread that Christ was in Babylon 6 centuries before being Jesus when meeting Daniel in Dan 10. The same way, I proved that he will be Prince George very soon thanks to clear connected dots.

So, I would like to address a controversial topic for the Christian world: REINCARNATION.

The ONLY VERSE the Christians refer to when rejecting the reincarnation is Hebrews 9:27:


27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,


At the first glance, this seems very clear. We die once. Period.

The problem is the same than those of Peter, the rock, on which Christ will built his church! The whole history has been written on a BIG MISUNDERSTANDING!

In this case, in the same chapter (Matthew 16), Peter is called Satan by Christ who also adds Peter to be a stumbling block to him. The rock is the earth where Satan governs. And Christ will LITERALLY come with his 'church', the New Jerusalem, down to earth from heaven, church composed of the people he will choose: the 144,000 and the Great Multitude!

So, a global religion, with all its by-products since two millennia (all the Christian sects), was based on a LIE, born from a misunderstanding since the early age.

We find the same thing here with Hebrews 9:27. Do we really die only once? Or does this verse mean something else?

The CONTEXT! Always the context!

Hebrews 9 is made of three parts:

1) description of the first covenant regulations, those of the Old Testament (Hebrews 9:1 to 9:10): how to arrange the sacred symbols and objects in...

a) the Holy Place : the outer room for the priests coming regularly, and...

b) the Most Holy Place: the inner room for the High Priest, coming only once a year, behind the curtain, to offer animal's blood for the sins of the Hebrews. The second room is said to have been undisclosed until Christ's 'first coming' for the Holy Spirit to indicate to the Hebrews that the gifts and sacrifices being offered [in the outer room] were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper.


2) description of the new covenant with the blood of Christ, those of the New Testament (Hebrew 9:11 to 9:22): what Christ's blood sacrifice changed. Christ is compared to the High Priest for the REAL Most Holy Place which is NOT made by humans. This confirms that the Most Holy Place of Dan 9, with its 70 'sevens', is the New Jerusalem and not the present Jerusalem. Christ entered in the New Jerusalem, the Most Holy Place, with his own blood, not those of animals:


he entered the Most Holy Place once for all...the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!...For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.


All of this above explain the particular context of the blood sacrifice of Christ: the redemption of our sins, and even those of the first covenant! AT NO TIME, IT IS ABOUT A COMMON CIRCUMSTANCE! It is not said: Christ dies once like everyone, as usual. No!

All is about the blood sacrifice of Christ to go to the Most Holy Place...to show us his exemple!


3) description of the parallel between the sacrifice of the High Priest and those of Christ (Hebrews 9:23 to 9:28):


23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence.

25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own.

26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared ONCE for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 Just as people are destined to die ONCE, and after that to face judgment,

28 SO Christ was sacrificed ONCE to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.


What these verses explain is that, the same way Christ died ONCE to go to the Most Holy Place to show us how to get rid of our sins (follow his exemple of love and compassion), the same way we are DESTINED to die ONCE to follow him to the Most Holy Place! The word DESTINED changes everything for it means that it is OUR DESTINATION IF WE ARE JUDGED GOOD ENOUGH! As long as we are destined to die once, we still reincarnate. ONCE we are no more DESTINED, it means that we are SAVED. It's a matter of before / after the judgment!

If there was not reincarnation we wouldn't need to wait 2,000 years before the Judgment but just few decades after Christ, the time for few Jewish generations to hear Christ's words and be judged.

So, after the period of reincarnations, we will be judged (after that to face judgment) to know IF we can die ONCE to go to the Most Holy Place, that is to say to become ETERNAL (i.e. the eternal inheritance, what is not the case until the judgement, if positive).

The very fact that some of us are CHOSEN (those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, to take away the sins of many, salvation to those who are waiting for him) shows that to die once is NOT THE COMMON RULE.

The simple fact that the context of this chapter speaks about an exceptional event (the salvation for those called) means that the usual rule IS the reincarnation. This is so true that it is said that otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. Remember that this is his blood sacrifice that made him die once! SO, is our FATE...if we have FAITH!

How the Christian preachers have made an exception the general rule is beyond comprehension...especially when the question of John the Baptist being possibly Elijah has been asked by the priests, and when we simply think about the impossible (un)justice of God who would judge people in unfair circumstances such as:

- short or long lives.
- other cultures.
- born with handicaps.
- born before Christ, out of the first covenant.
- long / short wait until the judgement.
- good or bad living conditions.
- good or bad teachings and / or educations.
- ad nauseam.


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posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 04:52 AM
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Christ doctrine is much more extreme than common Christians think. The Torah law, was already hard to follow, that the intervention of Christ was a sort of last chance.
There is a parallel in alchemy and oriental tradition when talking about kundalini awakening: there is the right path, the long and safe one, and the left path, the risky one. The latter is very dangerous, and put seriously in danger the life and soul of the initiate that choose to pursuit it, but can give him the final liberation in short time.
Christ doctrine is no different: when time's up (and according to divine timing, the intervention of Christ for the hebrews shows that they were already gettin late on schedule 2000 years ago) giving your life for Christ is the way to renunce totally to earthly life and consequently to reincarnation. But of course the real deal is only for very few, brave individual.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 06:26 AM
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You summed it up very well, indeed. Thank you Paul1214! The gate is narrow and Christians forget it too often. Real sacrifice is not obvious. It's one thing to undergo a situation. It's another one to precipitate oneself to that same situation...for Christ! Forgetting oneself is discovering oneself.



posted on Jul, 23 2017 @ 07:11 AM
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Speaking of reincarnation, I said that the 7 churches are the 7 fractal periods of the Christian era since April 7 33 A.D. after the resurrection of Christ. They start with the Day of God - 1,000 years - and end with the Hour of God - 16 years - when dividing by two these first 1,000 years 7 times:

1,000 + 500 + 250 + 125 + 62.5 + 31.25 + 15.625 years = 1,984.375 years from April 7 33 A.D. ending on...

August 21 / 22 2017!

These 7 periods have their following end dates:

1033 - 1533 - 1783 - 1908 - 1970 - 2002 - 2017!

It happens that the doubling world population follows the same curve around these years:

Two thousand years of population growth.

It happens that the consecutive means to access to knowledge appeared around the same years:

elite only - speeches - books - newspapers - radios - televisions - Internets.

It happens that new paradigms appeared around the same years:

Nations - New World - Democracy - Industry - Independence - Global Economy - Global Terrorism.

So, the conditions in each period were very different, and the way people face them were different too. For a given period, a given challenge, more and more difficult to succeed.

Below will be the exhortations of the 7 churches for the 144,000 elect, all being Hebrews of Christ's time (Christ repeats 7 times: I KNOW YOUR DEEDS, i.e. 'I lived among you'), hence the particular Hebrew names of figures and locations, hence the 7 different increasing rewards (each level also gets the previous ones):

1) Heaven.
2) Rapture.
3) Technology & Knowledge.
4) Political Power.
5) Body of Light.
6) Spiritual Power.
7) Thone of Christ.


To be continued...
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