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Ok Left Time to Put Up or Shut Up - Specifically Why Do You Hate Trump?

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posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Well, I'll speak for myself when I say, I don't "hate" liberals. I don't think I "hate" anyone really (well, there may be a couple people I wouldn't mind seeing burst into flames, but they're an exception).

I think liberals are misguided sometimes, not always, but sometimes. I'm pretty confident they may feel the same way sometimes.

You do make a valid point though (in general). The more visceral and extreme the post response (on both sides) does seem to garner an emotional reaction equating to stars. Emotion in all of this political debate, both right and left, will solve nothing. It has no place, emotion in politics. Pundits and the media talk about "identity politics", but most don't understand what this really means when they say it. These same people should really just say what they mean, "emotion politics", because that's what it is anymore. Just pure emotional reaction. There is no consideration, no thought, no rationalization...just pure, raw, knee-jerk emotion driven action.

Sometimes I wonder if the collective intelligence of the voting public has an average behavioral age of about 9.




posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 09:33 AM
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For me its his fascist tenancies, authoritarian leanings, inability to keep from contradicting himself and scapegoating of innocents to serve an ideological agenda. The cult of selfishness that he has created I found also distasteful, and I don't respect his business or financial acumen on account of his long history of failure in those areas and shady practices therein.

That being said, i can definitely see how many of the conservatives in this thread love him.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

Do you even know what "fascist" means? I'll bet not. The left seems to love this term, and continually morph it into meaning anything they don't like. Heck, the left didn't even use the term properly in the 60's when they began using it, although they were a lot closer to the meaning of the term then than they are now.

Could you please provide an example of Trump's alleged fascist leanings?

I'll give you the 'authoritarian' leanings, but suggesting Trump is unique in 'contradictions' is a bit (well, more than a bit) dubious. I'll also give you selfishness. However, regarding business practices; at least Trump has some. You can't say as much for Obama, who had exactly zero, and still has exactly zero.

Thank you though, at least you (unlike many) answered the OP's question. So there's that. You'd be wrong, but at least you answered.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: rexsblues

I dislike globalism, corporatism, corporate influence on any government decision, the influence of anyones money over matters of state.

That is precisely why I dislike Trump. He is as globalist as they come! The man is hardly a patriot! Look at his businesses! He has property and manufacturing all over the world, with even his famed ties being made in China or some such nonsense! He does not care about the American worker, because if he did, he would never have made a single product anywhere but America. The fact that even with all his money, he has ever decided to have his products made abroad, makes a mockery of the tactics he used to get elected, and that means he duped people, and THAT makes him a bastard and a piece of crap. Just before someone chimes in with "Oh, but you know, the laws and taxes here are too hard to pay for and work within, thats why he is going to change it all!", I have this to say on that matter.

If he gave a damn about the American people, being in the fantastically well off position he is in, he would have built factories in the US not in China, ANYWAY. He would have preferred to pay American workers, over those of other nations ANYWAY, regardless of cost, regardless of how much harder it is, restrictions on this, limitations of that, because he is a rich man, and could easily have run any one of his businesses from the US, without even noticing a bottom line reduction which made an actual difference to his day in the least. The only reason to do otherwise, is because he does not love his country as much as he loves himself, which means he is not fit to carry a damned passport, leave alone occupy the office of President.

Corporatism is also something which concerns me, because now that a tycoon is President, the fact that America has been a corporatism for generations is now more obvious than ever, but less discussed! He said he would drain the swamp, but has simply replaced one bunch of swamp dwellers with another, one Rex Tillerson being a fantastic example. This reptilian oil company executive is a walking conflict of interest, because his entire fortune (which is extensive) came out of "working" for big oil. Big anything is the enemy here, and yet heres Mr Trump, appointing another corporate goon! This is as close to corporatism (which is part of fascism by the way) as I ever want to see any country get, and too damned close if you ask me at any rate. His appointment of Jeff Sessions, all round big tobacco henchman and enemy of the legalisation of pot (coincidence much?) is a problem for the same reason. Here is a man with a job which involves working out how to deal with matters, including cannabis use, production, distribution and the like, who is allied financially with some of the companies who have the most to lose from the legalisation of cannabis and cannabis containing products. That allegiance means that on the subject of pot and other similar things, he cannot be trusted to make good choices, and nothing could prove that better than his long running campaign of hatred against pot and its advocates.

Trump wants to take tens of millions of people out of the Healthcare market completely, leaving them to die. Those who support inhuman behaviour, forfeit their humanity, and should expect to be treated like something other than human. A lack of empathy and compassion does not strength make. It just makes one a total bastard.

Furthermore Trump lies more than any of the politicians you have had in the States for some time. More than seventy percent of what comes out of his mouth in a given period is straight up nonsense, the parts which are based in truth are spun, and only a small portion of what he ever says is accurate and not being spun to suit his agenda, which stacks up poorly with other people, other Presidents, hell, even stacks up poorly next to that BS merchant who told the American people they were not being spied on, and that guy is a bloody spymaster!

In short, he is walking garbage, and would look better on fire.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Wayfarer

Do you even know what "fascist" means? I'll bet not.

Could you please provide an example of Trump's alleged fascist leanings?

I'll give you the 'authoritarian' leanings... I'll also give you selfishness. However, regarding business practices; at least Trump has some. You can't say as much for Obama, who had exactly zero, and still has exactly zero.

...You'd be wrong....




Well,...... Fascism as I understand it is an authoritarian (usually right wing) governance approach.

Some of Trump's fascist leanings that spring to mind immediately are his comments on curtailing the press, his insistence that defense spending needs to be increased above all other programs, glorification of violence as a solution to public dissent, hyper-masculine posturing (especially among other world leaders), backing of other authoritarian and despotic leaders, and his tendency to remove anyone from his immediate circle that doesn't affirm his assertions.

Regarding Trump's business acumen (and your assertion of Obama's lack therein), could you explain how running government like a business is better than running government in the traditional sense? I seem to recall several articles of late commenting on the extreme differences in modalities between the two jobs, and how Trumps brand of business involves little to no compromise (which seems counter-productive to governance unless you are wishing for authoritarianism). Are you siding with the assertion that authoritarianism is the true and correct way to govern?

Lastly, you've just said in the same post that you 'gave me' authoritarian leanings and selfishness and then practically said in the same breath that I'm wrong. Could you please explain that cognitive dissonance?



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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Personally I can't wait till 2024 when Ivanka runs thats going to be fun 16 years of Trumps!!




posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Wayfarer

Do you even know what "fascist" means? I'll bet not.

Could you please provide an example of Trump's alleged fascist leanings?

I'll give you the 'authoritarian' leanings... I'll also give you selfishness. However, regarding business practices; at least Trump has some. You can't say as much for Obama, who had exactly zero, and still has exactly zero.

...You'd be wrong....




...

Lastly, you've just said in the same post that you 'gave me' authoritarian leanings and selfishness and then practically said in the same breath that I'm wrong. Could you please explain that cognitive dissonance?


I should have been more clear; I did not mean on those points, only that I disagreed on the others.

Sorry for the confusion. And, thank you once again for answering the questions fairly enough.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: rexsblues

He's disingenuous, lies every word out of his mouth,is a con artist and a racist blowhard.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: rexsblues

As one who escaped the left/right paradigm a long time ago, I'm not from the "left," so I guess I wasn't technically invited to weigh in here... And, actually, I don't hate Trump (or anyone), so that also excludes me from your invitation... but... well... I'm gonna "put up" anyway.

My big problem with Trump is that he wouldn't know Constitutional principles if they bit him in the butt. Specifically:

  • Eminent Domain
  • Medical/Recreational Marijuana
  • Civil Asset Forfeiture
  • Police Brutality
  • Federal Lands
  • NSA Surveillance
  • Income tax



Why do you defend a rationale and ideology that threatens your own freedom?


Maybe you should be asking yourself that...



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: rexsblues

Because he's mentally unstable , a risk to world peace and is a destabilizing force within the US.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: rexsblues

People don’t believe Trump is sincere, and many of his policies are wack…
What’s your problem this is a democracy, we don’t have to like your hero when we believe he’s a zero.




We're a Federal Republic, FYI



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
I'm a socialist. Where do I fit in to all this?

Venezuela.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: rexsblues

Because he's mentally unstable , a risk to world peace and is a destabilizing force within the US.


Breaking: Putin and Trump agree on Syria cease fire; working towards peace.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 12:56 PM
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Has anyone answered the OP question? I read a few pages and yet to see an answer?

EDIT: sorry Boadicea, I see you actually answered, thank you!
edit on 7-7-2017 by TheErlenmeyerFlask because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: TheErlenmeyerFlask

Breaking from a couple of months ago , China to help Trump with North Korea ... but still Mr Kim flips the finger to the US.

Cease fire's come and go , there have been several already and how much have they achieved ?



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posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: gortex you got a star - foreign diplomacy with communist countries are tricky and I agree with you 10000%

However... Cease Fire > Flying Bullets


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posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: TheErlenmeyerFlask

I don't know what he/she is talking about. Maybe he should be more specific.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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I'm not on either side of the spectrum, or on both, depending on how you look at it. I dislike Trump because he is the antithesis of "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." He's self absorbed to the point beyond mockery.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 01:26 PM
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Why the hate?

You reap what you sew.

I think it's pretty obvious why Liberals hate Trump so a better question might be; why do Republicans hate Trump?



"All of them," Carlson said, referring to Republicans in the nation's capital. "You cannot overstate the degree to which Republicans in D.C. hate Donald Trump. I mean, they really hate him."
~ Tucker Carlson

This was taken from a Facebook post:




“Dear President Trump,

You won the White House even though you were not the first choice of those who voted for you. We could not in good conscious vote for the other candidate so it was you who got the nod.

There are a lot of people counting on you to do the right thing for this country and do it in a way that is respectful, fair-minded and constitutional. Surround yourself with good people who are not yes men and women and listen to them.

And for Gods sake, if you have to use Twitter, count to 10 first and make sure it is really necessary and appropriate, and if it is, don't post anything until you get your facts straight. Don't embarrass us while you continue to fuel the oppositions narrative.

Now go be presidential and prove them all wrong.”

(P.S. I am a life-long Republican who caved to the fear, seeing Hillary as the lesser of two evils. Of course, I live in Idaho — a state that would vote for the Republican candidate if it were known for certain to be Satan himself — so I knew that my vote didn’t matter either way.)


Sums it up nicely... but Trump has done everything that Republican voter asked him not to do. He's not respectful, doesn't act Presidential, he's not fair minded, thinks the Constitution is outdated and doesn't apply to him or his policies, and has surrounded himself with yes-men cronies. It's only a matter of time before the hard working GOP base realizes that Trump has and will betray them... I'm just watching the clock..

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posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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Having read the OP’s opinion, on about Trump and how the left is not willing to give him a chance the following can be stated:

Trump, who was a business man, for all intents and purposes, won the election, not by popular vote, rather won through the electoral college, thus taking the high office in the land. How he won, that is a matter of debate and ultimately is tainted. If a win is tainted by the idea that the person or someone who supports that person cheated to get that person to win is what the country is looking at.

Just because a person is a successful business person, does not mean that they would make a good leader of a country, as the skill set is very much different as would be the mindset. A businessman, like Trump, who owns his own business, in short has to act like a dictator, he can hire and fire anyone he so sees fit, and often does not have to justify such to an extent. A businessman, can enjoy a far greater privacy and has one goal, to make money. That is what being in business is all about, to make money and nothing more.

But a president, has it much different. A presidents focus has to be on the country that he represents, a president has to know how and when to pick a political fight, his words are carefully chosen and ultimately has to know more about negotiating than that of a business person, when to lose and when to push a point to get what one wants. And can not act like a dictator or have too many skeletons in the close and appear to be with the laws of the country, not be within the grey zone.

Now we come to Trump, as a president. He does not deserve the kinds of free passes that he is getting. Any other president if there was any allegations of the kinds of things that Trump is suspected of doing or having been a apart from, there would have been committee hearings and investigations that would be pursuing such to get the answers, and it would have gone on for about 4 months, with the full cooperation of the Executive branch to clear matters up. But that is not going on is it? There are allegations of conflicts of interest happening, nepotism, crony politics and the allegation, with more than circumstantial evidence, showing that another country had interfered in the election, thus tainting the entire administration, along with what looks to be a cover up and an obstruction of justice that is happening right now. And the stance I have maintained all along, is that to get past this, it is best to allow for there to be an investigation, to step back and let it run to its natural course, with the idea that the independent investigator would have the full power and authority to investigate and then when it is done, report it to not only the congress but also the people, that way it would put that issue to rest.

The now the op claims that what the left is threating the constitution, yet if one reads the very founding documents, the declaration, and the constitution, one would think that the opposition should be perfect and fine, that such would be expected, as it is within the very basis of the highest law that it is permissible. The founding fathers did not always agree with each other, nor did the necessarily like each other. They debated and if we are to believe what all was written down, were just like us, calling each other names and getting pretty down right insulting.

When it comes to globalism, do I believe in such, here is something to think about: Is it a good thing, as much as many would hate to hear it, the reality is that the USA needs the world. Isolation is not the answer, for there are countries that are very much isolated, some by choice, some by the policies of other countries, and take a good look at them, how they are and the people who live there happens to be right now. It is not pretty, nor is it a paradise. People suffering, hungry, sick and lacking. To just survive on such a menial existence is not good, nor is it good that the more advanced countries, turn around and exploit the 3rd world country for cheap goods, labor and natural resources, where the populations there continue to suffer. And there has been far more than that going on, for far too long.

The thing the op fails to see is this that the US has done this to itself, and we are far too involved in the world affairs. We pay other countries, including those that do not like the US millions of dollars every year, the US has propped dictators and interfered in other countries political processes, even pushing countries away from where it was the will of the people to where it ended up suffering cause of it.

The final point here, is that the USA is not in a position to be fully isolated, we need the other countries, far more these days than they need the US. More and more countries are slowly coming to the conclusion that the USA is not needed, and are starting to move away from the US. And things like taking a stand against what all but 3 countries have, or even deciding to pull out of treaties, or violating them, ultimately is going to cause problems that future generations may not be able to afford.



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