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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: GuidedKill
Here's a study from 2015 that confirms what the field of behavior genetics have been saying for years. Sexuality, like almost every other behavior, is a confluence of genetics and environment.
Genetics of Human Sexual Behavior: Where We Are, Where We Are Going
The argument of nature vs nurture died in the 90s. As did the belief that a single gene causes a certain behavior. Numerous genes predispose a person to a specific behavior. External stimuli then can cause the behavior to manifest. Depending on how predisposed a person the external stimuli could be anything from pH in the mother's womb to a childhood full of sexual abuse.
So you are correct when you say there is no single gay gene. That does not however mean they homosexuality is a choice or a learned behavior.
She writes: “If it’s hard to get excited about these studies, it’s because, at this point, biological explanations for homosexuality are like iPhones—a new one comes out every year.”
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth
Key word in there is epi...GENETICS. It is still the study of the Genome.....Wow don't even know about what you're trying to sell to everyone... TYPICAL.
The field of epigenetics is quickly growing and with it the understanding that both the environment and individual lifestyle can also directly interact with the genome to influence epigenetic change
Environment means the people around you and how they may influence what you become. This over time and generations could produce a child more acceptable to these behaviors....Some people might call this culture....If you are raised only be gay people to believe gay people are correct, over time and generations you could possibly influence future children to more acceptance of your social behavior.....
Basically what I have been saying the whole time.....If you are always told its ok and over and over are exposed to gay culture...You could eventually over time be conditioned to be gay...Your own research supports that...LMAO
So by that logic, being told it's ok to be straight over and over and being exposed to heterosexual culture, you are eventually conditioned to be straight. Wish someone told the gay people that over the last century.
exactly!! that's why the gay community is the minority....There are more straight people than gay and there for they push the social agenda....
Now if up to gay people it wont be that way long....They are fighting every day to be the most accepted lifestyle and anyone who disagrees with their life style is a bigot or homophobe.....
That is what I am cause I don't agree right?? A Bigot or homophobe??
Still waiting on that scientific evidence to back your opinion...
And yes, it makes you a bigot. Also makes you uneducated because you continue to say (without and evidence, mind you) that being gay is both a choice and a lifestyle.
I already posted it....Just because you didn't read it or refuse to accept it has nothing to do with me. Of course what ever supported your agenda is naturally going to be more valid than mine. That's the way gay rights activists are..They are the victims and are always right. They are always the underdog and need to be heard.....And if you don't agree with them or their agnda you're a bigot.
Thanks bub for proving exactly what I have been saying....You ask for tolerance all over town and as soon as someone doesn't agree with your stance you show just how tolerant you are by calling them a bigot!! LMFAO!!!
Like being born gay agenda this is a bad joke...
So, yes...they used an actual scientific report...but again, they used it incorrectly to prop up the strawman in which they attempted to build.
So they linked science you don't agree with and therefore it is not a valid argument????
Once again I said it before and I will say it again...SORRY YOU DONT AGREE WITH THE SCIENTIFC REFERENCES IN THE ARTICLE.....SORRY IT DOESNT FIT YOUR AGENDA....SORRY THERE IS NO GAY GENE OR SCIENTIFIC BACKING TO SUPPORT BEING BORN GAY!!!
SORRY GAY PEOPLE MADE A CHOICE AND HAVE NO SCIENCE TO BACK UP BEING BORN GAY...
Did you get it this time?
Haha. My posts are really going over your poor little heard aren't they?
I didn't say I disagreed with the report in which they're mentioning. If you paid attention you would see that the scientific report in which they are citing is the SAME SCIENTIFIC REPORT THAT I POSTED AND QUOTED FROM. So...IT'S ACTUALLY RESEARCH I AGREE WITH BECAUSE SCIENCE HAS FOUND EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMS IN WHICH THEY RESEARCHED.
What I DON'T agree with is the way they are using said scientific report to try and, out of nowhere, go on about gay genes. They are using ACTUAL science with ACTUAL EVIDENCE to try and make their strawman appear legitimate.
Does that spell it out for you?
So, AGAIN, because gay genes ARE NOT THE ISSUE...please..provide some actual scientific evidence to support your claim that being gay is both a choice and a lifestyle.
The burden of proof is on you...Anatomical features and the ability to reproduce is scientifically backing my argument.... What's your backing....Epigenetics which is the study of how ones environment may affect their behavior over time??
Are you so dense that you don't see that is what a lot of people her are saying...That if you are raised gay over time youre more likely to be gay??
The term "epigenetic" has also been used in developmental psychology to describe psychological development as the result of an ongoing, bi-directional interchange between heredity and the environment
The developmental psychologist Erik Erikson used the term epigenetic principle in his book Identity: Youth and Crisis (1968), and used it to encompass the notion that we develop through an unfolding of our personality in predetermined stages, and that our environment and surrounding culture influence how we progress through these stages. This biological unfolding in relation to our socio-cultural settings is done in stages of psychosocial development, where "progress through each stage is in part determined by our success, or lack of success, in all the previous stages."[
en.wikipedia.org...
originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Moonshinne
My question is, since it appears you're in the Military, if you come across one of these people and don't know how to address them, how about just addressing them......do you get reported for not saying anything whatsoever to them?
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth
Key word in there is epi...GENETICS. It is still the study of the Genome.....Wow don't even know about what you're trying to sell to everyone... TYPICAL.
The field of epigenetics is quickly growing and with it the understanding that both the environment and individual lifestyle can also directly interact with the genome to influence epigenetic change
Environment means the people around you and how they may influence what you become. This over time and generations could produce a child more acceptable to these behaviors....Some people might call this culture....If you are raised only be gay people to believe gay people are correct, over time and generations you could possibly influence future children to more acceptance of your social behavior.....
Basically what I have been saying the whole time.....If you are always told its ok and over and over are exposed to gay culture...You could eventually over time be conditioned to be gay...Your own research supports that...LMAO
So by that logic, being told it's ok to be straight over and over and being exposed to heterosexual culture, you are eventually conditioned to be straight. Wish someone told the gay people that over the last century.
exactly!! that's why the gay community is the minority....There are more straight people than gay and there for they push the social agenda....
Now if up to gay people it wont be that way long....They are fighting every day to be the most accepted lifestyle and anyone who disagrees with their life style is a bigot or homophobe.....
That is what I am cause I don't agree right?? A Bigot or homophobe??
Still waiting on that scientific evidence to back your opinion...
And yes, it makes you a bigot. Also makes you uneducated because you continue to say (without and evidence, mind you) that being gay is both a choice and a lifestyle.
I already posted it....Just because you didn't read it or refuse to accept it has nothing to do with me. Of course what ever supported your agenda is naturally going to be more valid than mine. That's the way gay rights activists are..They are the victims and are always right. They are always the underdog and need to be heard.....And if you don't agree with them or their agnda you're a bigot.
Thanks bub for proving exactly what I have been saying....You ask for tolerance all over town and as soon as someone doesn't agree with your stance you show just how tolerant you are by calling them a bigot!! LMFAO!!!
Like being born gay agenda this is a bad joke...
So, yes...they used an actual scientific report...but again, they used it incorrectly to prop up the strawman in which they attempted to build.
So they linked science you don't agree with and therefore it is not a valid argument????
Once again I said it before and I will say it again...SORRY YOU DONT AGREE WITH THE SCIENTIFC REFERENCES IN THE ARTICLE.....SORRY IT DOESNT FIT YOUR AGENDA....SORRY THERE IS NO GAY GENE OR SCIENTIFIC BACKING TO SUPPORT BEING BORN GAY!!!
SORRY GAY PEOPLE MADE A CHOICE AND HAVE NO SCIENCE TO BACK UP BEING BORN GAY...
Did you get it this time?
Haha. My posts are really going over your poor little heard aren't they?
I didn't say I disagreed with the report in which they're mentioning. If you paid attention you would see that the scientific report in which they are citing is the SAME SCIENTIFIC REPORT THAT I POSTED AND QUOTED FROM. So...IT'S ACTUALLY RESEARCH I AGREE WITH BECAUSE SCIENCE HAS FOUND EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMS IN WHICH THEY RESEARCHED.
What I DON'T agree with is the way they are using said scientific report to try and, out of nowhere, go on about gay genes. They are using ACTUAL science with ACTUAL EVIDENCE to try and make their strawman appear legitimate.
Does that spell it out for you?
So, AGAIN, because gay genes ARE NOT THE ISSUE...please..provide some actual scientific evidence to support your claim that being gay is both a choice and a lifestyle.
The burden of proof is on you...Anatomical features and the ability to reproduce is scientifically backing my argument.... What's your backing....Epigenetics which is the study of how ones environment may affect their behavior over time??
Are you so dense that you don't see that is what a lot of people her are saying...That if you are raised gay over time youre more likely to be gay??
The term "epigenetic" has also been used in developmental psychology to describe psychological development as the result of an ongoing, bi-directional interchange between heredity and the environment
The developmental psychologist Erik Erikson used the term epigenetic principle in his book Identity: Youth and Crisis (1968), and used it to encompass the notion that we develop through an unfolding of our personality in predetermined stages, and that our environment and surrounding culture influence how we progress through these stages. This biological unfolding in relation to our socio-cultural settings is done in stages of psychosocial development, where "progress through each stage is in part determined by our success, or lack of success, in all the previous stages."[
en.wikipedia.org...
Hahaha. I did provide evidence in my initial posting. You're not understanding the report at all. It's evident that you have no understanding on the topic by your incorrect use of the word epigenetic. Epigenetics is NOT the study of (as you put it) "study of how ones environment may affect their behavior over time". It involves...lo and behold, genetics AND environment. Damn, read that paragraph you, yourself, quoted from wikipedia.
What you're describing, in your words, when you say "study of how ones environment may affect their behavior over time" (again, this is taken from YOUR POST) references everything on an environmental level. How foolish are you? You are defining this in terms of 100% nurture when you, yourself, are attempting to quote a term that is blatantly about genetics and environment.
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth
Key word in there is epi...GENETICS. It is still the study of the Genome.....Wow don't even know about what you're trying to sell to everyone... TYPICAL.
The field of epigenetics is quickly growing and with it the understanding that both the environment and individual lifestyle can also directly interact with the genome to influence epigenetic change
Environment means the people around you and how they may influence what you become. This over time and generations could produce a child more acceptable to these behaviors....Some people might call this culture....If you are raised only be gay people to believe gay people are correct, over time and generations you could possibly influence future children to more acceptance of your social behavior.....
Basically what I have been saying the whole time.....If you are always told its ok and over and over are exposed to gay culture...You could eventually over time be conditioned to be gay...Your own research supports that...LMAO
So by that logic, being told it's ok to be straight over and over and being exposed to heterosexual culture, you are eventually conditioned to be straight. Wish someone told the gay people that over the last century.
exactly!! that's why the gay community is the minority....There are more straight people than gay and there for they push the social agenda....
Now if up to gay people it wont be that way long....They are fighting every day to be the most accepted lifestyle and anyone who disagrees with their life style is a bigot or homophobe.....
That is what I am cause I don't agree right?? A Bigot or homophobe??
Still waiting on that scientific evidence to back your opinion...
And yes, it makes you a bigot. Also makes you uneducated because you continue to say (without and evidence, mind you) that being gay is both a choice and a lifestyle.
I already posted it....Just because you didn't read it or refuse to accept it has nothing to do with me. Of course what ever supported your agenda is naturally going to be more valid than mine. That's the way gay rights activists are..They are the victims and are always right. They are always the underdog and need to be heard.....And if you don't agree with them or their agnda you're a bigot.
Thanks bub for proving exactly what I have been saying....You ask for tolerance all over town and as soon as someone doesn't agree with your stance you show just how tolerant you are by calling them a bigot!! LMFAO!!!
Like being born gay agenda this is a bad joke...
So, yes...they used an actual scientific report...but again, they used it incorrectly to prop up the strawman in which they attempted to build.
So they linked science you don't agree with and therefore it is not a valid argument????
Once again I said it before and I will say it again...SORRY YOU DONT AGREE WITH THE SCIENTIFC REFERENCES IN THE ARTICLE.....SORRY IT DOESNT FIT YOUR AGENDA....SORRY THERE IS NO GAY GENE OR SCIENTIFIC BACKING TO SUPPORT BEING BORN GAY!!!
SORRY GAY PEOPLE MADE A CHOICE AND HAVE NO SCIENCE TO BACK UP BEING BORN GAY...
Did you get it this time?
Haha. My posts are really going over your poor little heard aren't they?
I didn't say I disagreed with the report in which they're mentioning. If you paid attention you would see that the scientific report in which they are citing is the SAME SCIENTIFIC REPORT THAT I POSTED AND QUOTED FROM. So...IT'S ACTUALLY RESEARCH I AGREE WITH BECAUSE SCIENCE HAS FOUND EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMS IN WHICH THEY RESEARCHED.
What I DON'T agree with is the way they are using said scientific report to try and, out of nowhere, go on about gay genes. They are using ACTUAL science with ACTUAL EVIDENCE to try and make their strawman appear legitimate.
Does that spell it out for you?
So, AGAIN, because gay genes ARE NOT THE ISSUE...please..provide some actual scientific evidence to support your claim that being gay is both a choice and a lifestyle.
The burden of proof is on you...Anatomical features and the ability to reproduce is scientifically backing my argument.... What's your backing....Epigenetics which is the study of how ones environment may affect their behavior over time??
Are you so dense that you don't see that is what a lot of people her are saying...That if you are raised gay over time youre more likely to be gay??
The term "epigenetic" has also been used in developmental psychology to describe psychological development as the result of an ongoing, bi-directional interchange between heredity and the environment
The developmental psychologist Erik Erikson used the term epigenetic principle in his book Identity: Youth and Crisis (1968), and used it to encompass the notion that we develop through an unfolding of our personality in predetermined stages, and that our environment and surrounding culture influence how we progress through these stages. This biological unfolding in relation to our socio-cultural settings is done in stages of psychosocial development, where "progress through each stage is in part determined by our success, or lack of success, in all the previous stages."[
en.wikipedia.org...
Hahaha. I did provide evidence in my initial posting. You're not understanding the report at all. It's evident that you have no understanding on the topic by your incorrect use of the word epigenetic. Epigenetics is NOT the study of (as you put it) "study of how ones environment may affect their behavior over time". It involves...lo and behold, genetics AND environment. Damn, read that paragraph you, yourself, quoted from wikipedia.
What you're describing, in your words, when you say "study of how ones environment may affect their behavior over time" (again, this is taken from YOUR POST) references everything on an environmental level. How foolish are you? You are defining this in terms of 100% nurture when you, yourself, are attempting to quote a term that is blatantly about genetics and environment.
So Wikipedia is wrong and you're right....Got it....
I guess Wikipedia is wrong because they didn't support your agenda....They must be bigots too....
The relationship between biology and sexual orientation is a subject of research. A simple and singular determinant for sexual orientation has not been conclusively demonstrated; various studies point to different, even conflicting positions, but scientists hypothesize that a combination of genetic, hormonal, and social factors determine sexual orientation.[1][2][3]
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth
Key word in there is epi...GENETICS. It is still the study of the Genome.....Wow don't even know about what you're trying to sell to everyone... TYPICAL.
The field of epigenetics is quickly growing and with it the understanding that both the environment and individual lifestyle can also directly interact with the genome to influence epigenetic change
Environment means the people around you and how they may influence what you become. This over time and generations could produce a child more acceptable to these behaviors....Some people might call this culture....If you are raised only be gay people to believe gay people are correct, over time and generations you could possibly influence future children to more acceptance of your social behavior.....
Basically what I have been saying the whole time.....If you are always told its ok and over and over are exposed to gay culture...You could eventually over time be conditioned to be gay...Your own research supports that...LMAO
So by that logic, being told it's ok to be straight over and over and being exposed to heterosexual culture, you are eventually conditioned to be straight. Wish someone told the gay people that over the last century.
exactly!! that's why the gay community is the minority....There are more straight people than gay and there for they push the social agenda....
Now if up to gay people it wont be that way long....They are fighting every day to be the most accepted lifestyle and anyone who disagrees with their life style is a bigot or homophobe.....
That is what I am cause I don't agree right?? A Bigot or homophobe??
Still waiting on that scientific evidence to back your opinion...
And yes, it makes you a bigot. Also makes you uneducated because you continue to say (without and evidence, mind you) that being gay is both a choice and a lifestyle.
I already posted it....Just because you didn't read it or refuse to accept it has nothing to do with me. Of course what ever supported your agenda is naturally going to be more valid than mine. That's the way gay rights activists are..They are the victims and are always right. They are always the underdog and need to be heard.....And if you don't agree with them or their agnda you're a bigot.
Thanks bub for proving exactly what I have been saying....You ask for tolerance all over town and as soon as someone doesn't agree with your stance you show just how tolerant you are by calling them a bigot!! LMFAO!!!
Like being born gay agenda this is a bad joke...
So, yes...they used an actual scientific report...but again, they used it incorrectly to prop up the strawman in which they attempted to build.
So they linked science you don't agree with and therefore it is not a valid argument????
Once again I said it before and I will say it again...SORRY YOU DONT AGREE WITH THE SCIENTIFC REFERENCES IN THE ARTICLE.....SORRY IT DOESNT FIT YOUR AGENDA....SORRY THERE IS NO GAY GENE OR SCIENTIFIC BACKING TO SUPPORT BEING BORN GAY!!!
SORRY GAY PEOPLE MADE A CHOICE AND HAVE NO SCIENCE TO BACK UP BEING BORN GAY...
Did you get it this time?
Haha. My posts are really going over your poor little heard aren't they?
I didn't say I disagreed with the report in which they're mentioning. If you paid attention you would see that the scientific report in which they are citing is the SAME SCIENTIFIC REPORT THAT I POSTED AND QUOTED FROM. So...IT'S ACTUALLY RESEARCH I AGREE WITH BECAUSE SCIENCE HAS FOUND EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIMS IN WHICH THEY RESEARCHED.
What I DON'T agree with is the way they are using said scientific report to try and, out of nowhere, go on about gay genes. They are using ACTUAL science with ACTUAL EVIDENCE to try and make their strawman appear legitimate.
Does that spell it out for you?
So, AGAIN, because gay genes ARE NOT THE ISSUE...please..provide some actual scientific evidence to support your claim that being gay is both a choice and a lifestyle.
The burden of proof is on you...Anatomical features and the ability to reproduce is scientifically backing my argument.... What's your backing....Epigenetics which is the study of how ones environment may affect their behavior over time??
Are you so dense that you don't see that is what a lot of people her are saying...That if you are raised gay over time youre more likely to be gay??
The term "epigenetic" has also been used in developmental psychology to describe psychological development as the result of an ongoing, bi-directional interchange between heredity and the environment
The developmental psychologist Erik Erikson used the term epigenetic principle in his book Identity: Youth and Crisis (1968), and used it to encompass the notion that we develop through an unfolding of our personality in predetermined stages, and that our environment and surrounding culture influence how we progress through these stages. This biological unfolding in relation to our socio-cultural settings is done in stages of psychosocial development, where "progress through each stage is in part determined by our success, or lack of success, in all the previous stages."[
en.wikipedia.org...
Hahaha. I did provide evidence in my initial posting. You're not understanding the report at all. It's evident that you have no understanding on the topic by your incorrect use of the word epigenetic. Epigenetics is NOT the study of (as you put it) "study of how ones environment may affect their behavior over time". It involves...lo and behold, genetics AND environment. Damn, read that paragraph you, yourself, quoted from wikipedia.
What you're describing, in your words, when you say "study of how ones environment may affect their behavior over time" (again, this is taken from YOUR POST) references everything on an environmental level. How foolish are you? You are defining this in terms of 100% nurture when you, yourself, are attempting to quote a term that is blatantly about genetics and environment.
So Wikipedia is wrong and you're right....Got it....
I guess Wikipedia is wrong because they didn't support your agenda....They must be bigots too....
originally posted by: GuidedKill
The relationship between biology and sexual orientation is a subject of research. A simple and singular determinant for sexual orientation has not been conclusively demonstrated; various studies point to different, even conflicting positions, but scientists hypothesize that a combination of genetic, hormonal, and social factors determine sexual orientation.[1][2][3]
en.wikipedia.org...
combination of genetic, hormonal, and social factors determine sexual orientation
originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth
So it is the study of how environment may affect genetics over time?? So ENVIRONEMNT or AKA how someone is raised may affect how they think in the future??
Shocking....Being gay is a learned behavior...
originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I dismissed nothing....Only posted a counter argument. and then posted another...and another.. and another....
All of which were not accepted as a valid .....But I'm just a bigot..
Why the push to have science back gay people up on their life choice???
originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: ReyaPhemhurth
So it is the study of how environment may affect genetics over time?? So ENVIRONEMNT or AKA how someone is raised may affect how they think in the future??
Shocking....Being gay is a learned behavior...
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
The relationship between biology and sexual orientation is a subject of research. A simple and singular determinant for sexual orientation has not been conclusively demonstrated; various studies point to different, even conflicting positions, but scientists hypothesize that a combination of genetic, hormonal, and social factors determine sexual orientation.[1][2][3]
en.wikipedia.org...
You make yourself look very foolish. Did you read that wiki paragraph you just posted? Because within that very paragraph it contradicts and proves wrong the ENTIRE point you've been foolishly trying to argue. Because, clearly, you lack the ability to even read the stuff you're posting, I'll quote what you quoted:
combination of genetic, hormonal, and social factors determine sexual orientation
This shows that BEING GAY IS NOT A CHOICE, NOR IS IT A LIFESTYLE. It is epigenetics.
originally posted by: GuidedKill
originally posted by: ReyaPhemhurth
originally posted by: GuidedKill
The relationship between biology and sexual orientation is a subject of research. A simple and singular determinant for sexual orientation has not been conclusively demonstrated; various studies point to different, even conflicting positions, but scientists hypothesize that a combination of genetic, hormonal, and social factors determine sexual orientation.[1][2][3]
en.wikipedia.org...
You make yourself look very foolish. Did you read that wiki paragraph you just posted? Because within that very paragraph it contradicts and proves wrong the ENTIRE point you've been foolishly trying to argue. Because, clearly, you lack the ability to even read the stuff you're posting, I'll quote what you quoted:
combination of genetic, hormonal, and social factors determine sexual orientation
This shows that BEING GAY IS NOT A CHOICE, NOR IS IT A LIFESTYLE. It is epigenetics.
What do you think social factors are? What is the environment??? It is how people are raised and how that may affect them in the future....And you're saying I'm dense....Sheesh can't you read what you posted....It says social factors and environment may affect how a person acts or thinks over time. And that those learned behaviors could be passed on over time...
Some may liken this to animal instincts....Like how a gazelle knows how to run or walk quicker than other animals because their environment makes them prey and they need to learn to act like the other gazelles to survive...It is learned/passed down behaviors.