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Lets destroy CIA NSA deep state without violence, it can be easily done

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posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: Merivin

Malicious activity against an establishment couldn't be considered starking could it?

It shouldn't, that being said could malicious activity be construed as terrorism?

Laws can be made I guess, but it would be counterintuitive. We could bury them in their own bureaucracy, it's a brilliant but not original idea, I alluded to reigning in the movement, what's to stop people taking it too far?

That's the issue, controlling your movement. I'll not get into infiltration. If your serious about such things then so is the powers that be.

Research all the movements that's happened over the last 50-60 years, heck even back in the days of communism... They've all been infiltrated, watched. They've gotten good at this stuff is all I'm saying.

You mentioned Gandhi, he had influence in South Africa. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist. I only mention this because they'll attempt to pull you apart at every corner, again that line of non-voilent intervention can be crossed. Mandela probably considered a lot of what Gandhi preached in his long stretch of incarceration. He realised peace will always be more desirable, reconciliation.

Oh how the line between terrorists and revolutionaries, in all intent, appears to be a wavy one?

I mean Chuck Norris decided to be a lumberjack for the day, he looked at the forest and it decided to cut itself down.

What martial arts made him so lethal again?

Ha. I'm just being a nob, probably just musing myself too.

A peaceful revolution/dissidence will always be the best option though, and quite frankly, I have to say that this would grow into something a bit bigger than clogging up the system, it's inevitable.

It'll be more than a letter campaign.

But anyways if your serious then I'll bite. Born to lose and live to win and all that...




posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 08:04 AM
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a reply to: thesaneone



I am like a vampire




Yes you are, you just sucked a couple of minutes of my time.


Congratulations, you've won the internet for the day. I believe the Onion calls this a time vampire and there is so much better things to do with your time, now excuse me while I watch this youtube video about funny Yahoo answers.




posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 08:36 AM
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You do know what Gandhi got for all his time....?



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: Plotus

The other chair next to gods throne?

What do you think he expected, fricken elite confetti?
edit on 6-7-2017 by PublicOpinion because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: Merivin

Something here tells us you are unfortunately delusional as to how and why and under what methods the system works.

All you had to do is mention "Im in touch with Alex Jones..." to throw it all off as to you correctly interpreting the entire system.

Additionally, you stated : "I am like a vampire who has seen the light and got his soul back"...so? If youve seen the light as a vampire? Youre REALLY dead now. GONE. DO NOT EXIST.

Your "soul" has left and gone to the light. Therefore, you no longer exist in this world....and that makes your point "moot" and pointless.

So lets all open our caskets, see the sun...and turn to dust like you have?



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: Trueman

Don't worry about the toaster but be discreet around the microwave.
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posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: Merivin
a reply to: Perfectenemy

I like your macro understanding

But the truth is that powerful malevolent entities and even bad aliens are not up to us to fight

All we need to do is informed resistance and open disgust

Other forces will deal with them

It is a big universe and beyond


So pick up a handful of beach-sand. Now...which grain are you? And what effectual difference is that grain making on all the others everywhere in the world?



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

No..I didn't. I left and came back.
I don't know how you think you can tell whether I'm hanging around or not but I was redirected back here to answer replays from my message screen.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: Merivin

"CIA" and "NSA", they're just shells. shells created to execute certain functions by a greater hidden element. The forces that be have already got enough of a foothold to save themselves, via resource accumulation(physical and mental). Thus, for you to think you can kill the "Shadow", is a possible failure to assess the situation accurately, for these shells will simply disappear, and you will be left with the illusion of security, and thus the shadow becomes hidden again, perhaps it will manifest a new shell, its agenda hidden, as always, until it's too late... And.. did you blink? That hand that moved the puppet retracted and has gone to concoct are new ruse


TLDR: OP is an inside agent



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: badw0lf

If he's gone within 24 hours we'll know.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: Merivin

Its a great suggestion, but there are some problems with it...

First:

Tens of thousands of people is next door to no people, statistically. The systems which place about the wrists of populations, the shackles from which we require escape, are global. Businesses, corporate entities whose advocates have the ear of all the major world powers, whose agents are abroad in every nation, whether welcome or not, engaged in prospecting, speculation, industrial espionage and the creation of hegemony at every level, politically and economically, socially and even spiritually.

This is a system supported by stupendous amounts of money, employing, at varying degrees of awareness on the part of employees of that system, MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of people. You cannot even make a system like that uncomfortable, leave alone dissolve it, by the application of the truth by tens of thousands of people.

Second:

Then you have the problem of the truth itself. What is the truth? There are things I know to be as true as gravity, as true as the beat of my heart, which are considered bunkum by others, and not just a few others, but a great mass of people. My understanding of the way that these people have come across their anti-science, often xenophobic, intolerant, genocidal attitudes is that they have been accessed from an early age by propaganda on the part of the system, which no amount of truth can cure. I should know, because the ones I have encountered in these parts, particularly lately, are totally fact resistant to a hitherto unthinkable degree.

Those who disagree that Snowden is one of very few actual patriots left in America, along with Chelsea Manning, for example, have no idea what the word patriot means. They believe it means a person who does as they are told by a succession of administrations and leaders that no one ought to trust, without saying a bad word about them, or any of the illegal things that ones intelligence and military agencies do, in the name of the people they allege to serve. But in truth, a patriot puts themselves at risk to protect the liberty and freedom of the people, and that makes both Manning and Snowden patriots, nothing more or less. They put themselves at significant risk, in order to let the people know that their government was doing things in the name of the people, that it had no right in law or in the spirit of it, to do at all, in ANYONES name, leave alone in the name of the people. Be that the outright and inexcusable murder of tens of thousands of people in a series of utterly avoidable events in theatres of war, or the illegal and unconstitutional surveillance of millions of innocent people, those things are matters which the government had no right to hide, and it took patriots, yes, patriots to reveal them.

But half the people you talk to, no matter how much supporting evidence you give them, no matter how many times you read the constitution of their own nations to them, no matter how often you cite the law on what a government may and may not hide, and the reasons it may or may not hide a matter from the public, these people will STILL insist that those individuals I have named, are traitors, guilty of treason, should be shot, hanged, put in the chair or otherwise.

We cannot even get people to agree on the meaning of a word which has only one meaning, not ten or twenty, but one. The propaganda has been too successful, the programming is too deep. This is not a recoverable situation, and the majority are programmed little slaves, who will suckle at the teat of the far right lunatics who want to silence dissent in the world, before they ever listen to a word of reason from anyone. They rely on it for survival, they are addicted to it, and will not put it down until it is cut off. There are not the numbers to achieve this, precisely because the programming happens to work better than the truth does, because it is easier, requires less thought, and that is what a huge number of people unfortunately want.

Third:

What to do we replace it with? To hear some people talk, they would install a Darwinian elimination system, whereby if you do not succeed, you perish, and I mean immediately, despite the fact that success is, as a matter of provable FACT, not dependent on hard work, in fact, many hard working people, most of them in fact, will NEVER achieve anything, despite the nobility of their purpose and the determination they have to keep at it. Again, the fact averse argue this point based on their anecdotal evidence of their own, small, irrelevant successes, rather than taking a broad view and examining the lives of more than just the few inconsequential individuals they are related to, in order to come to conclusions on these matters. Leaving the matter of what to do next in the hands of people like this, would simply replace one sociopathic, greedy, avaricious, self important bunch of bastards, with another group of sociopathic, greedy, avaricious, self important bastards, and frankly, that does not need to happen in the slightest.

YET, when you proffer any alternative to this impossible state of affairs, people throw the world socialist about, like its an insult, and ignore your every reasonable suggestion, as they have done with every person who has tried to suggest something other than the system which seems to prevail at the moment, in both America and the UK, not to mention much of the developed world besides. You have to earn your rights, you are not born with them. That, regardless of the whimpering of constitutional scholars in this day and age, is precisely the situation which prevails at the moment, yes, even in the "mighty" United States, a country containing a great many wonderful people, being led by one of the worst people to ever be born in ANY period in history, a greedy, muck raking, ignorant, clueless shaven ape, with all the moral fibre of a jihadist, but less willingness to get his hands dirty. Its a nation of hard working people being led by a man who has never done any REMOTELY hard work. He signed documents, he wrote notes to staff in the poorest grammar imaginable, hes gotten by simply by way of having started out loaded, from which position even a total moron (case in point) can succeed, but (less than half) the people voted for him, and there he is, in all his golden, ridiculous splendour, being bad at the most important job in the free world, and ruining decades of progress, GOOD progress into the bargain... and why is he getting away with it? Why are people not actually going to literal, hot war, not protest, but war with their government? The same reason they refuse to go to war with their government here in the UK...

Because a little less than half of people support the system which is killing them, even when they believe or announce that they want to smash the system. The phobics, those who hate the poor, the weak, the sick, those who insist on privatised healthcare, trains, and public services, those who have a Conservative approach, are literally doing the work of these systems for them, and will never accept that they are the problem, not its solution.
edit on 6-7-2017 by TrueBrit because: grammatical errors removed.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: Merivin

Now Melvin here is my opinion, for the United states to keep it's national security it does need an active and dynamic strong intelligence network and service, the idea it does not have one but several though is crazy and it probably even for them like a kitchen with too many chef's.

It is not nice when they spy on there own people but there are dangerous scenario's and threat's which have multiplied exponentially in today's world were it not about nasy or nice but it is rather actually essential to do so in order to protect there nation and there people.

But in the US it is not the same as most of us WESTERN European's are traditionally used to as the US intelligence services much like the other apparatus of there government are seriously compromised by corporate motivation's, private vested interests etc.

But it is a matter for the US, there Law Makers (Assuming there government complies with there law) and there electorate to sort out.

So what I am saying is that the only time the US, or anyone else for that matter, can afford to do without there intelligence services is when there are no danger's to there nation and I would suggest that there will always be dangers and now far more than ever.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 01:06 PM
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Lets look at this.

You claim the TPTB have sent people looking threw your trash and following you around.

I'm assuming they come in pairs.

Average wage for government employ is about 100k. Also have to think of hazard pay for digging in garbage. Fuel to follow you around. Depending were you live that can very. Their headquarters or place of residents for these two government employees is no the same place you live and work. So now there's room and board for the weeks or months of them doing this to you.

You dude.

Like the rest of us your nothing.

TPTB would not waste the resources, manpower or womanpower on someone who is friendly emailing them that they are wrong.

What I can see is you posted something somewhere about burning down the establishment in some way. Made two low paid SS interns rifle throw your garbage because you have nothing better to do. Sorry but they do.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: Spader

She comes out of your mouth sometimes.......that's some poltergeist shiz right there....gross.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 04:34 AM
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I think the main players - the most significant players - involved in psyops and everything else get paid lots of money. They are well aware of what they are doing and see the big picture. There is no shame in their game. You cannot shame them.

You mentioned self preservation - they are doing it for just that, and then some and a yacht.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 11:06 AM
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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

How many of you are familiar with the above statement ?

Buck




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