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Omar Khadr to receive apology and $10.5M compensation package from Canada: official

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posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: rickymouse

OF COURSE THEY DAMNED WELL SHOULD!

How many times does this have to be laid out rickymouse? Governments, western governments, pay the Saudis and the Qataris billions of dollars and pounds, to keep the terror hype going. This has been the system since the occupation of Afghanistan by the Soviets, and worked perfectly for the US government down in South America previously to that.

You will recall that quite a few of the narco-terror groups were actually started by CIA operatives, as part of operations south of the US/Mexico border, meant to destabilise fledgling socialist economies. Aside from the economic hitmen, actual terror groups and narcotics smuggling cartels were started, BY US INTELLIGENCE ASSETS, to break these nations down and screw them, to prevent them ever succeeding in the shadow of the United States. The situation in Afghanistan and indeed much of the Middle East, has been nearly identical, in that since the Soviet invasion there, back in the day, Western intelligence backed groups, including those run by, and inspired by Osama Bin Laden, have been INTELLIGENCE AGENCY ASSETS! They are owned, controlled opposition, and always have been! So, yes, this fellow, but a lad at the time, was recruited by a covert arm of the Western intelligence infrastructure, and employed to kill the regular soldiers of the West, to provide the people at home in the UK, Europe and America a target for their ire, other than the idiotic governments they had at the time.

If it were not for Western intelligence operations in the region, there would simply be nothing like the terrorist networks which exist today. Its our training, our equipment, our money which funds them, through our governments, through their connections to the Saudi royal family and the Qatari government, so as it happens, of course this fellow in the article should be permitted to sue one of the governments who made it all possible.

Lets see what method you use to ignore the truth THIS time!


Well, we should be stopping this practice, not promoting it. The problem is not going to get fixed by throwing more taxpayer money at it. Fix the damn problems in our society and government, do not side with this person and allow him to collect money because someone punished him for a crime but the evidence of someone seeing him do it was not good enough so he got away with it. Then got rewarded.

It is not all right to join a terrorist group that kills people.




posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 11:24 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

No, but if he was brainwashed into it by professionals, trained in the art by the US government (who are one of the past masters at this sort of thing, if you did not know) then did the lad really have a hope of ever doing anything else? No. Can he be said to have been in control of his faculties at the time he made the decision, given that he was literally being brainwashed, using methods that break even individuals trained to withstand them? No. Therefore was he legally in control of his actions at the time he joined up?

There is a very good chance that a sufficiently educated jury would find that this individual is a victim of the Middle East situation, and not a perpetrator. George Bush, Tony Blair, they knew what they were doing. The men they sent to make this situation come about in the first place, they knew what they were doing. The intelligence agency figures who permitted this crapstorm to break on the shores of the peace of the free world, leading to the removal of liberties and rights from millions upon millions of people, they knew what they were doing. But a fifteen year old kid, brainwashed and sent to hell by sociopaths, bent on holding onto their own power and that of their "class", to the extent they would risk the peace of the world for profit and power?

He knew nothing until it was over. With time to decompress and reflect, he no doubt knows a great deal more than he ever wanted to, about reality, but I would argue that he cannot have known what he was about while he was about it, during his stay in Afghanistan. I doubt he would have gone, if he had.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 12:00 PM
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I can understand the idea of freeing him if the evidence that he threw the grenade is murky.

However, I don't understand the $10 Million in compensation. He was an enemy combatant who was actively engaging in a firefight. Maybe he didn't throw the grenade, but he made his own choices that put him in a situation in which he was fighting with lethal force (using a gun, a fact which is not being questioned) in support of terrorists.

So while he is possibly not guilty of throwing the grenade, he is far from innocent.



originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: rickymouse

...Can he be said to have been in control of his faculties at the time he made the decision, given that he was literally being brainwashed, using methods that break even individuals trained to withstand them? No. Therefore was he legally in control of his actions at the time he joined up? ....

Brainwashed? Maybe. However, I'm not sure why he would be entitled to $10 Million in compensation from the government, even if he was brainwashed by terrorists.




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posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

For # sake why do you lefties keep making excused for these animals?

This is why the pendulum is shifting more and more right wing because of this bull#.

instead of giving terrorists money we should be spending it on our own nations.



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posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: rickymouse

No, but if he was brainwashed into it by professionals, trained in the art by the US government (who are one of the past masters at this sort of thing, if you did not know) then did the lad really have a hope of ever doing anything else? No. Can he be said to have been in control of his faculties at the time he made the decision, given that he was literally being brainwashed, using methods that break even individuals trained to withstand them? No. Therefore was he legally in control of his actions at the time he joined up?

There is a very good chance that a sufficiently educated jury would find that this individual is a victim of the Middle East situation, and not a perpetrator. George Bush, Tony Blair, they knew what they were doing. The men they sent to make this situation come about in the first place, they knew what they were doing. The intelligence agency figures who permitted this crapstorm to break on the shores of the peace of the free world, leading to the removal of liberties and rights from millions upon millions of people, they knew what they were doing. But a fifteen year old kid, brainwashed and sent to hell by sociopaths, bent on holding onto their own power and that of their "class", to the extent they would risk the peace of the world for profit and power?

He knew nothing until it was over. With time to decompress and reflect, he no doubt knows a great deal more than he ever wanted to, about reality, but I would argue that he cannot have known what he was about while he was about it, during his stay in Afghanistan. I doubt he would have gone, if he had.


While I agree with most of what you said about this whole thing being a setup. I don't agree that this kid was trained or paid by the governments directly. Sure, our government has backed these groups, but in the case of this boy who got caught, he should pay the price for joining the terrorists. I can see him getting off early, he was young and impressionable and if he got straightened out, he could be released. But this lawsuit is part of a police car chasing lawyer scam, the lawyer will get a lot of green from this lawsuit. I am just as pissed at the lawyer is doing this lawsuit, he will probably make as much as his client.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: rickymouse

No, but if he was brainwashed into it by professionals, trained in the art by the US government (who are one of the past masters at this sort of thing, if you did not know) then did the lad really have a hope of ever doing anything else? No. Can he be said to have been in control of his faculties at the time he made the decision, given that he was literally being brainwashed, using methods that break even individuals trained to withstand them? No. Therefore was he legally in control of his actions at the time he joined up?

There is a very good chance that a sufficiently educated jury would find that this individual is a victim of the Middle East situation, and not a perpetrator. George Bush, Tony Blair, they knew what they were doing. The men they sent to make this situation come about in the first place, they knew what they were doing. The intelligence agency figures who permitted this crapstorm to break on the shores of the peace of the free world, leading to the removal of liberties and rights from millions upon millions of people, they knew what they were doing. But a fifteen year old kid, brainwashed and sent to hell by sociopaths, bent on holding onto their own power and that of their "class", to the extent they would risk the peace of the world for profit and power?

He knew nothing until it was over. With time to decompress and reflect, he no doubt knows a great deal more than he ever wanted to, about reality, but I would argue that he cannot have known what he was about while he was about it, during his stay in Afghanistan. I doubt he would have gone, if he had.


While I agree with most of what you said about this whole thing being a setup. I don't agree that this kid was trained or paid by the governments directly. Sure, our government has backed these groups, but in the case of this boy who got caught, he should pay the price for joining the terrorists...


I could be wrong, but I don't think TrueBrit is saying he was brainwashed by the U.S. Government. I think he was saying that the terrorists who (allegedly) brainwashed the boy maybe honed their brainwashing techniques based on the techniques used by the U.S. government.

Whether that is true or not that the terrorist learned how to brainwash from the U.S. government, I don't know. But I do know that it would be irrelevant in this specific case.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: Box of Rain

Yeah, it could be a brainwashing, but then again he was fifteen when he went there. I doubt if the government would have brainwashed anyone that young on purpose. I could see them targetting a seventeen year old. I think it was probably recruiters from ISIS or other groups that would have done that. Even the good Muslims here don't like some of the disruptive guys coming here to America and firing up their kids. They wanted to get away from all of that, that is why they came here. Of course that did not work well, there has been too much immigration and refugees coming in and recruiting people.

We need to be somehow screen these refugees and immigrants better. Obama screwed that one up, he told the agencies they cannot use what was said on social media against these refugees or immigrants. It is a written rule from what I have read, it applies to all agencies.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: peck420

I really loathe the phrasing of questions end in "...no?" 😊

I think it sets a hugely positive precedent actually. Not only is the quality of the 'output' visible (ie. the verdict), but also the quality of the 'input' (ie. the fees involved), giving a rational basis for assessing what is or isn't working.

Secondly, if you re-read what I wrote you will see I am question the passing of material compensation for committing and immoral act

In my book

no fees, no payouts, and the killer walks equals flawed system
fees and payouts, and tge killer walks equals a corrupt and flawed system.

All in all, bad call round Canada, no?



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 07:08 PM
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I hope this human filth is quietly disposed of in a dark alley and gets an early start on his spiritual healing on the other side. It would be best for us and him. Not able to spend taxpayer money he doesn't deserve and also unable and unfit to share this world with the rest of us.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 03:26 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

I did not say that the lad was trained directly by the government. What I said was that the people who do the recruiting, the brain washing, ARE trained by western intelligence agents, with specialisations in that field, just the same as the vast majority of Osama Bin Ladens mob had training from special forces members during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, just like many of the current members of IS had training from western forces while they were being referred to simply as "rebels" rather than terrorists, and just like IS command posts, struck by Russian fire, killed agents from Britain, the US, and Israel, to name a few... agents who were acting as part of the command structure being run from that post, as recently as a couple of years ago.

You cannot divorce the western intelligence structure, from ANY of the things that have been done by those it affected.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 07:59 AM
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I have to say, I have seen over the years a great many people who are in denial about the actual drivers of the kind of terrorism we are seeing in this day and age, wilful ignorance about how it comes about in the first place, who pays for it, sponsors it, who initiates it, whose hands helped form the networks they use to get things done. And even when someone is prepared to accept that the main drivers for terror are NOT the people committing the terror, or their alleged religious beliefs, but the desire of western persons to maintain their relative power in the world, their enormous wealth relative to others, and to do so by any means necessary including but not limited to, the purchase of proxy armies to do their bidding in a plausibly deniable manner, there is STILL resistance to laying the blame at the top FIRST, where it belongs.

Let me make something perfectly, and completely clear.

Until people in the West stop making excuses for their leaders and intelligence agencies, until they stop permitting themselves to eat the propaganda that keeps the wheels turning, until particularly the British and American governments are prevented by their people from EVER interacting with states like Saudi Arabia or Qatar, either overtly or covertly, in business or in war, there will be no end to this. Until the people who run our country are more interested in the liberty of the people, than the presence of currency in their bank accounts and back pockets, there will be no end to this. Therefore, we must deal with the people who initiated this situation, not the pawns, not the monkeys, but the players, the organ grinders, the people who are not members of these organisations, but nonetheless designed and built them from the ground up, to perform the function they perform.

We can and SHOULD nearly ignore the terrorists themselves, because they, with the greatest respect to anyone who has died at their hands, are NOT the real threat. Our GOVERNMENTS are the threat, the corporate sponsors of terrorism, who purchase it to legitimise greater arms sales and greater revenues for the PMCs and the friends and family members of governments, THOSE people are the threat. These people are a threat to our liberty as free peoples of the Earth. The terrorists have never, do not and cannot pose that threat. They can only threaten our mortal lives, which are far less precious than the liberty which animates those lives and gives them true meaning.

We MUST concentrate our efforts SOLELY on destroying the social strata which is peopled by the folk who purchase terrorism to make their lives easier, while putting innocent people at risk in illegal and unjustifiable campaigns of war, and by permitting terror to continue on their dime. Only by so doing will we ever see an end to this. The actions of the individual with a grenade or a rifle are less than meaningless, because they control nothing, know nothing of the reasons why they find themselves in any given place, or doing any given thing. Those who know, are being largely ignored, even by people in this august membership. Ignore the monkeys. Concentrate on the organ grinders, or remain oblivious to reality if you choose... but if you choose ignorance on this issue, do not expect to be vindicated, rewarded for your poor choices. You will doom the species if you keep this up... You all know who you are...

I see you, and I will not allow your contribution to the situation to go unrecorded.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 08:59 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: rickymouse

I did not say that the lad was trained directly by the government. What I said was that the people who do the recruiting, the brain washing, ARE trained by western intelligence agents, with specialisations in that field, just the same as the vast majority of Osama Bin Ladens mob had training from special forces members during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, just like many of the current members of IS had training from western forces while they were being referred to simply as "rebels" rather than terrorists, and just like IS command posts, struck by Russian fire, killed agents from Britain, the US, and Israel, to name a few... agents who were acting as part of the command structure being run from that post, as recently as a couple of years ago.

You cannot divorce the western intelligence structure, from ANY of the things that have been done by those it affected.


Yes, IS and Al Qaeda were trained and funded by our agencies in the beginning, just as we are supporting the Moderate Rebels today. I figure we will be fighting those moderate rebels in ten years when they start attacking us. The Taliban is another one we pushed into power.

Evidently the creators of these terrorists are our intelligence agencies.
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posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 09:05 AM
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No, with respect, our intelligence agents were present at an IS FOB when it was destroyed by the Russians. Mossad, British and US intelligence personnel were discovered in the rubble, by the Russians after the strike. This was just a couple of years ago not "in the beginning".

We have hands on intelligence liaison between our intelligence organisations, and the proxy armies they are building, just like the US had its agents running narco-terror operations in South America for decades, in that instance to destabilise anything remotely socialist which might have been happening at the time in those countries.

Its the same game, and the same tactics. Create a problem, pretend to solve it.



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 12:13 PM
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This cockroach got paid, many people are really pissed..me included, the govt made sure they handed out a check quick

globalnews.ca...



posted on Jul, 7 2017 @ 10:20 PM
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originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: vonclod



“Canada has a history of recognizing and apologizing when it has made mistakes,” she added. “This settlement is a recognition of the fact that we have standards in Canada.”

She explained that because Khadr is a Canadian citizen, the country had a “higher threshold” of responsibilities, as opposed to the United States. The settlement is also in response to Khadr suing the Canadian government.
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I find these statements the height of lies, outright unadulterated lies.

In 1990, I was marked and I had to get my wife and kids out of south africa. So I figured, go to the Canadian consul and get them out. I even offered to stay and take the bullet. The admin consul, knew who I was and told me flat that I was dead, I just hadn't realized it yet. He refused initially to help my wife and kids get out. I handed him a 9 page letter with names, dates, bank account numbers, who was killed and why, who was involved in Saddam's weapons deals, a commercial plane that was taken down, what and who were on it, etc. He read it and handed it back saying he couldn't keep it, he'd be dead as well. I got fed up and told my wife we were leaving. She got in his face with our one year old son, yelling at him until he said he would get her and the kids out in two weeks, but only if I was dead first. So I made a plan, with some of my MI friends and we all got out.

That's what the canadian government is like. Btw, the admin consul's name was Adrian Brazeau. This information has been on the internet since before 2000. In my FOIA request on myself, CSIS listed nine national security statutes, plus the standard 16(1&2). They are well aware of what they did, the government, CSIS, CRA and external affairs, and I have never been challenged. Maybe it's time to sue the government for my wife and kids?

Cheers - Dave



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
I have to say, I have seen over the years a great many people who are in denial about the actual drivers of the kind of terrorism we are seeing in this day and age, wilful ignorance about how it comes about in the first place, who pays for it, sponsors it, who initiates it, whose hands helped form the networks they use to get things done. And even when someone is prepared to accept that the main drivers for terror are NOT the people committing the terror, or their alleged religious beliefs, but the desire of western persons to maintain their relative power in the world, their enormous wealth relative to others, and to do so by any means necessary including but not limited to, the purchase of proxy armies to do their bidding in a plausibly deniable manner, there is STILL resistance to laying the blame at the top FIRST, where it belongs.


What a load of crap. Is this kind of reasoning that is fueling muslim behavior in the west and their sense of entitlement. Firstly we don't know fur sure who created and running terrorist organizations. We don't know who created Al Qaida or sister jihadist groups. Since this is a conspiracy board let us take it at a face value and consider it as a fact. Being knowledgeable how conspiracies work, we all have to admit that even if Al Qaida and the rest are created by the west, this is known only by the higher ups of this organizations. Soldiers and volunteers are morons who join to fight for islam, thus already indoctrinated with hate toward the west. The person in question here is not at all a victim of the system. He was canadian born and raised in Toronto, his father is (at least was) a known associate of Al Qaida. Him and his family milked the system through benefits and welfare (as all of them do), raised and radicalized a kid to the point to make him join Al Qaida at 15 years old of age. Committed 5 war crimes and because the process against him was mishandled you wanna reward him with 10.9 million dollars of tax payers money? Do you have any idea the kind of rage this has caused among canadians? What is the message here? Become a terrorist, go kill people, and we pay you 10 mil $? There is no excuse here, no rewarding, no patting in the shoulder or worst, a public apology. Even if the trial was mishandled, the man committed crimes by is own admission. You wanna set him free because of a juridical error? Fine! Do so but never reward criminals and terrorists. This is the new level of absurdity of liberals and their leadership. Makes me sick.
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posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 08:32 AM
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We don't know who created Al Qaida or sister jihadist groups.


well we might not know who started the terror aspect of the taliban, but we do know that the U.S. funded and supplied them. we also know that Al Qaida and ISIS was a off shoot of them.

Charlie Wilson ring any bells. plus there are CIA reports that have been declassified and releaseed that tell all about the taliban and there leasders.
you can find them in the archives of George Washington University if memory serves. i've posted link to them a couple of years ago.

here is one thread and the link is there,

My Post



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Telos

The post to which I am responding now, is an exacting and perfect example of the sort of wilful ignorance I was talking about in my previous post on this topic.

Thank you for demonstrating exactly what I was talking about.



posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 08:57 AM
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A lot of Canadians are like, "M'eh", I think it's a frickin disgrace.

ETA: There's a big difference between being fair and just and just being stupid. This is the latter.
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posted on Jul, 8 2017 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
George Bush, Tony Blair, they knew what they were doing. The men they sent to make this situation come about in the first place, they knew what they were doing.

What on earth are you talking about?!?!

You talk like the middle east was a utopia before western intervention.
You can't be that naive...
Can you?

Go ahead and just gloss over the fact that the middle east devolved into chaos of it's own accord decades before we got there. The bush and Blair administrations played a part. Just like the Obama and Clinton administration. Yet again it appears identity politics has blinded you to the real tragedy that is the middle east.

But if virtue signaling makes you feel better...



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