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Ways of overthrowing the Iran regime

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posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 08:12 AM
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I say just bomb their nuke facilities if your worried about them and let the government destory itself. The Iranian people showed they could overthrow a government even when the government was supported by outside powers like the US and other western countries. So if their current government becomes intollerable I'm sure they could otherthrow it as well.




posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 11:34 AM
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Take a minute and read this article...
counterpunch.org...
now, lets look at the lies Donald Rumsfeld spewed when asked about his meetings with Saddam Hussien in Iraq...


www.globalsecurity.org...
Two weeks ago, Senator Robert Byrd, a senior Democrat from West Virginia, bluntly asked Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld at a Senate hearing about a report in Newsweek magazine that he had travelled to Baghdad in December 1983 with a message from then-president Ronald Reagan that Washington would provide help in the Iraqis' war with Iran.
Rumsfeld denied any knowledge of the trip, but promised to review Pentagon records. As of September 30 he had not yet contacted Byrd's office, said Byrd spokesman Tom Gavin.

Denied any knowlege of the trip, even though the press was proliferating pictures of the meeting like this one...



Byrd then asked about US involvement in Iraq's biological weapons program. "To your knowledge, did the United States help Iraq to acquire the building blocks of biological weapons during the Iran-Iraq War?" Byrd asked. "Are we, in fact, now facing the possibility of reaping what we have sown?"
Rumsfeld also denied any knowledge....
US government documents showed that from 1985 to 1989 pathogenic, toxigenic, and other hazardous materials were legally exported from the United States to Iraq.
The list of biological items legally exported during that period includes botulinum toxin, anthrax, gas gangrene, and vials of West Nile fever virus and Dengue fever.
The items were shipped by the American Type Culture Collection, a non-profit group that provides biological materials to institutions around the world, and the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta.
The information first surfaced in February 1994, when then-Senator Donald Riegle of Michigan held hearings on Gulf War syndrome, a mysterious illness suffered by many US soldiers who fought in the 1990-91 war.
The US government "approved the sales of quantities of potentially lethal biological agents that could have been cultured and grown in very large quantities in an Iraqi biological warfare program," said Riegle, speaking on the Senate floor in February 1994.

Even the mainstream media has been reporting this information, where have you been?


www.washingtonpost.com...
Washington Post
Monday, December 30, 2002
By Michael Dobbs
The administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, such as anthrax and bubonic plague.

We not only sold them the chemicals, we even sold them the helicopters they used to disperse them.


www.impeach-bush-now.org...
In 1984, according to The LA Times, the State Department-in the name of "increased American penetration of the extremely competitive civilian aircraft market"-pushed through the sale of 45 Bell 214ST helicopters to Iraq. The helicopters, worth some $200 million, were originally designed for military purposes. The New York Times later reported that Saddam "transferred many, if not all [of these helicopters] to his military."
In 1988, Saddam's forces attacked Kurdish civilians with poisonous gas from Iraqi helicopters and planes. U.S. intelligence sources told The LA Times in 1991, they "believe that the American-built helicopters were among those dropping the deadly bombs."

I wonder what other interests Rumsfeld had...


news.neilrogers.com...
Mr. Rumsfeld, who ran a pharmaceutical company at the time, was tapped by Secretary of State George P. Shultz to reinforce a message that a recent move to condemn Iraq's use of chemical weapons was strictly in principle and that America's priority was to prevent an Iranian victory in the Iran-Iraq war and to improve bilateral ties.




www.washingtonpost.com...
Privately, however, the administrations of Reagan and George H.W. Bush sold military goods to Iraq, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological agents, worked to stop the flow of weapons to Iran, and undertook discreet diplomatic initiatives, such as the two Rumsfeld trips to Baghdad, to improve relations with Hussein.


More lies...


www2.gwu.edu...
A U.S. cable recording the December 20, 1983 conversation between Donald Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein. Although Rumsfeld said during a September 21, 2002 CNN interview, "In that visit, I cautioned him about the use of chemical weapons, as a matter of fact, and discussed a host of other things," the document indicates there was no mention of chemical weapons. Rumsfeld did raise the issue in his subsequent meeting with Iraqi official Tariq Aziz.

All this support for Iraq, both legal and illegal to help them in their war against Iran, then comes the ultimate slap in the face to any Iraqi or Iranian. The US was ALSO supplying Iran with materials and logistics at the same time. To add insult to injury, the funds from the sales of arms to Iran were diverted to fund a terrorist organization in Nicaraugua, known to people that actually do thier homework as the Sandanistas. We were playing one side against the other, and using the money we made to support terrorism in South America. End of Story.

Now, as far as the Mullah run Iranian government is concerned, they are being demonized by the western media. Their neighbors aren't worried about them, well, witht he exception of perhaps Israel. Yet thousands of miles away, across an ocean that even the most advanced weaponry of the iranian military can't reach, people are being whipped into an anti-Iranian frenzy of terror paranoia.


www.iranian.ws...
Saudi prince calls Iran's mullah regime a 'friendly state'
Jan 10, 2005, 13:05
Saudi Defense Minister Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz has dismissed a possible Iranian nuclear attack on Arab Gulf countries, calling Iran's mullah regime "a friendly state."
Commenting on Iran's controversial nuclear program and its perception by Gulf Cooperation Council states, Prince Sultan said he does not believe Iran "will think one day of jeopardizing the security of the peoples of the GCC states."
Saudi Arabia is the leader of the council, which also comprises the oil-rich Gulf states of Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman and United Arab Emirates.

Mullah Khomeini is dead, has been dead for years. His policies of violence is a memory. Iran now has political parties, like Sumka, that participate in national and internationally recognised elections. Trying to paint the Mullahs as some kind of demonic Saudi refugees is patently false. Iran belongs to Iran, not US coporate interests. Of all the nations in the middle east, Iran is one of the few that even hold elections. Yes, Ali Khamenei and the Council of Guardians have a very broad athority, but that athority is theirs to have according to Iran's constitution, don't believe me? Read it.
www.oefre.unibe.ch...
I hate to break it to you, but the soverignty of ANY nation should be respected. The US is not exactly standing on the moral high ground to be running about spending tax money to impose our idea of democracy to the rest of the world when our idea of democracy is in fact military insurance for Israel, and the institution of foreign national debts. Capitalism is what we want to spread to the middle east, not democracy. We don't give a damn about human rights, as illustrated by our less than colorful past in the reigon and around the world, what we care about is ownership of the cash flow and resources, protecting Zionism and insuring that the flow of crude oil which will be feeding the exploding asian markets will be securely within our grubby little fingers. Iran is simply the next chapter in a long history of american imperialism. We demonize some and support others, but the simple truth of the matter is that the US armed, funded, trained, supplied, and created every single terrorist threat we now face. This perpetual war on terror is a complete farce. We demonize Israeli neighbors, yet support and fund terrorist groups in South America still. Poppy production in Afghanistan has boomed since the US occupation, etc. etc. Don't try to hand me this garbage about US morality and terrorism. We created the monsters to begin with. The US has been meddling in middle eastern affairs since Theodore Rosevelt, playing this or that country or faction against the other for decade after decade. It's high time the US pulled the Israeli parasites off and got into some much needed isolationism. Our unilatteral support for zionism has killed thousands, and cost billions. Ever wonder why islamic extremists don't target nations like Belgium? Becuase they don't go over there and manipulate them, they send a check for thier oil like everybody else does and don't have the problems we have with terrorists. Get real. Iran belongs to Iran, not Unocal or Halliburton, or Hollinger, or Carlyle, and that's the real probelm with Iran isn't it?



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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Best way to encourage an Iranian revolution is to stay out of it entirely. They've proven themselves capable many times in the past. They really appear to enjoy revolting actually. Did you see the partying in the streets when the Shah was ousted? It was like Mardi Gras. They're more than capable, perhaps even willing, but it's no business of ours.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 04:10 AM
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djohnsto77, here is some info for you. Note that this is only the chemical and biological agents, and doesn't include alot of the logistical and hardware components we supplied to Iraq to kill Iranians with.



www.sundayherald.com...
In the early 1990s, UN inspectors told the US Senate committee on banking, housing and urban affairs – which oversees American export policy – that they had “identified many US-manufactured items exported pursuant of licences issued by the US department of commerce that were used to further Iraq’s chemical and nuclear weapons development and missile delivery system development programmes”.

In 1992, the committee began investigating “US chemical and biological warfare-related dual-use exports to Iraq”. It found that 17 individual shipments totalling some 80 batches of biomaterial were sent to Iraq during the Reagan years...
two batches of anthrax and two batches of botulism ...one batch each of salmonella and E.Coli...
As well as anthrax and botulism, the USA also sent West Nile fever, brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene. The shipments even went on after Saddam ordered the gassing of the Kurdish town of Halabja, in which some 5000 people died, in March 1988.
The chairman of the Senate committee, Don Riegle, said: “The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licences for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think it’s a devastating record.”
Other items which were sent by the US to Iraq included chemical warfare agent precursors, chemical warfare agent production facility plans and technical drawings, chemical warfare filling equipment, biological warfare-related materials, missile fabrication equipment and missile system guidance equipment.

All of this while we were conversely supplying Iran with weapons and logistics, and funneling the profits to fund the Sandanistas so we could control the coc aine markets there. Yeah, we really take a high moral standard. Think about it for a minute, do you honestly think that people just hate Americans for no reason other than not liking our culture or our freedom? Don't you think crap like this might have something to do with it?



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